Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Well, Christy, thank you for joining me today.
[00:00:03] Speaker B: Thank you for having me here.
[00:00:05] Speaker A: Of course.
So, yeah, getting this thing started, would you be able to give us a little bit about who you are and what you do? Exactly.
[00:00:11] Speaker B: So, you know, the easiest way to answer, who am I? You know, my name, my normal birth name is Christy, Christy Smurl, and my spiritual name is Kalavaki Baby. And a lot of times it's easier to answer questions who you are based off of what you do.
So I spent 30 years of my life working in an acute care hospital as a nurse practitioner and master of science. And at some point I decided, I think there's a lot more to life than this, even though it was, you know, my passion and my dharma. And so I ended up changing gears and studying traditional Indian medicine, Ayurvedic medicine. And that led me into a whole host of, of, you know, time tested spiritual practices and moved into different modalities like yoga teacher training and reiki training, Reiki master, and then eventually went into Tantric studies.
And, you know, here in the US we often misunderstand what tantra is. So I decided to do some homework and research and find a teacher that came from a bona fide sampradaya and who could give me deep essence of that. And other than that, oh, I'm a mother. I have a little doggy at home. I teach at the university, at one of the local universities, Ayurveda and yoga. And then I have my own yoga teacher training program where we learn about Tantra and Ayurveda, things like that.
And I write books, definitely, and I like to do art. And I'm a devotee of Kalima.
[00:01:51] Speaker A: Amazing. Thank you for sharing.
So what was that shift that got you on this path? You know, what led you down the questioning of there's got to be more
[00:02:03] Speaker B: not feeling good, not feeling good. You know, being in the medical profession, I thought to myself, if I'm not able to have greater sense, sense of health and well, being within my own being, how is it that I can promote being a healer? Oh, yes, you know, I can take care of broken limbs, things like that, suture people.
But there was still a level of feeling as if I was lacking in my own education or my own self, self realization capacity.
And so I just started asking, what is it that I need to learn to move beyond my own limitations? Not just the physical, because in Western medicine, we focus mostly on the physical body, a little bit on the mind, some psychology, things like that. But even that hadn't gotten me to the level that I believed I was capable of. You know, that inner voice that just kind of pokes and spurns you forward, telling you there's more. I used to joke around and say, I'm never going back to school because I've done a lot of school. I ended up going back to school. And through the doctorate program of Ayurvedic medicine, there was a whole new vista of exposure, and I just didn't want to see stop learning. And then each thing I learned, that teacher would say, now you need to teach this and pass it on to other people. And then I would do that process. And then again I would question, is this the highest level of quote, unquote, wellness or self realization that I can attain? And the answer was always, no, I can go further.
And so I really believe that self realization and spiritual progression never ends, that we're constant students.
And for me, I just didn't want to stop. And I still don't stop. I'm still taking classes. I'm still under direct supervision and training of my tantric teacher.
And each time I think, ha arrived, you know, I'm. I'm awfully crafty in my spiritual practices. Now something comes along and again shows me there's more. You can go deeper. So I never try to claim that I'm, ooh, I've arrived, or I've learned all of this. I'm still just a student.
And the day I stop wanting to learn is perhaps the day that I become a closed system.
[00:04:50] Speaker A: Yeah, well said.
Always a student. Yeah, I feel that that's the beauty of it, though, is it never ends.
It's funny, because we can recognize that there's always more to learn, but the path isn't futile. You know, it's like, that's the beauty, is that we'll never figure it out, per se.
[00:05:12] Speaker B: I love the mystery.
I've. I've begun to call it the Leela, the play, you know, and just watching the Leela play itself out and the synchronicities, the challenges that are actually lessons and fuel for transforming and to not take anything too personal, to just really dive into it.
One of the things I love that my guru ma said, she said, you're capable of transcending from the current Kali Yuga into the Sat Yuga in this lifetime. And, you know, in my teachings, they've explained that we're capable of shedding so much unnecessary psychic debris, emotional debris, spiritual entanglements, and that, why not work as hard as you can in this lifetime?
We don't Know when our time is up and how are we to know how far we can transform in our personal laboratory?
[00:06:30] Speaker A: Yeah, powerful.
Why not?
[00:06:34] Speaker B: Yeah, why not?
[00:06:35] Speaker A: Right?
[00:06:36] Speaker B: If there's extra credit available, why not do it?
[00:06:41] Speaker A: Yeah, why not? I mean, the ego would say, I got stuff to do, you know, why not one more movie? Why not I just distract myself a little bit more? Right.
[00:06:53] Speaker B: Yeah, this is. This is very, very true. And we live in a society that aims to distract us, that wants.
[00:07:02] Speaker A: That's k.
It is.
[00:07:05] Speaker C: The.
[00:07:05] Speaker B: The systems out there, some of them are specifically designed to make us weak and ignorant and unspiritually motivated. And, you know, really what is more important, when my body drops from this lifetime, most of the things I've collected are not going with me. But knowledge and self transformation goes with me. So that's really my. My most precious asset.
[00:07:37] Speaker A: Yeah, we're really getting at the meat and bones of the path. You know, like, inevitably we're gonna have to drop the body. Always temporary. Right. And we can't take any of this with us, materially at least. So what do we actually do this path for? What do we take with us through the incarnations? And you're saying it's knowledge or maybe wisdom,
[00:08:00] Speaker B: a liberation, you know, because what ties us back to this earthly realm? They. They often call this realm the loca realm, the realm in which we must die. You know, it's a little bit. But it's true. We do have to die to leave this realm. But what part of us dies?
Our physical body dies naturally. Just goes back to ashes, back to the earth.
And when we look at Ayurvedic and tantric teachings, we understand, you know, we're made of five different sheaths. There's other sheets depending on the lineage. You know, gross physical body. On a myakosha that's staying here, my bones are going to stay here. My. My skin is going to stay here. My eyelashes are going to stay here. Then we have the pranamaya kosha, the breath knowledge, body, and then the mind knowledge body.
But then we have the soul knowledge body. So onomya kosha, pranamaya kosha, mano mya kosha. And in the mano mya kosha, that's just the human mind, the false ego.
And that is what gets so tangled and unnecessarily involved in things that distract us from our spiritual evolution. Because the mind, they say when we pass out of this particular physical outfit, that the mind follows the soul.
So whatever is troubling the mind, disturbing the mind, exciting the mind in a distractful way from self realization, union, yoking, the goal of yoga, tantra, etc.
That quality of the mind will follow the soul and then cause us to have to revisit and liberate ourselves from those mental distractions, vitiations, disturbances, or even just desires.
In the Aghori lineage, they talk a lot about the mind.
[00:10:24] Speaker C: In
[00:10:26] Speaker B: the distractions are desires and aversions and sometimes desires.
[00:10:33] Speaker A: We.
[00:10:33] Speaker B: We think, well, you know, part of the goal of life is to enjoy life, right, comma.
And we want to make sure that our desires support our spiritual evolution, support our mental maturation, and that our adversions and desires are treated equally. Equally.
And at the end of the day, can we take those mind qualities and surrender them so that the soul's true knowledge come through? Because we talked about the physical body, the breath body, the mind body, the sheath beyond that is the vignana maya kosha. And that's the soul's intelligence, which we know is distinct, distinctly different from the mind's intelligence. Like what I'm gathering here on earth in this particular lifetime, what I've gathered through instincts and knowledge through my ancestors, which is passed down, you know, into my. My spirit body.
All of that needs to be distilled, alchemized, to be purified, to be turned into something that's useful rather than something that is holding me back or keeping me from uniting yoking with my soul's intelligence. Because it's dramatically different.
[00:12:06] Speaker A: Yeah. Wow.
Yeah. So that's the whole path, right? In a nutshell, is we don't give up desire. It's just that we transmutate the desire, the desire process, and it desires something
[00:12:19] Speaker B: else, essentially, or desire it in a different way.
I tell people all the time, it's great to have desires. I desired to want to come and talk today.
But are our desires fuel for staying in alignment with our dharma, staying in alignment with our soul's higher will?
Or are our desires neurosis, things that are manipulating us, things that hog our time, distract us, draw us down, or just cause rajasic or tamasic disturbances in the mind? Because those disturbances are going to sever us, or at least deter us from being able to yoke into the spirit soul's intelligence? Because that's really the goal in most pathways of self realization, is to yoke and unite the two. But our desires sometimes are the exact thing that we're supposed to be driving us towards that goal. But somewhere along the line, that desire turned into a little vampiric desire or a Neurotic addiction, an obsession, something along those lines and it gets twisted, mutated.
[00:13:44] Speaker A: So is that the essence of tantra, where you turn that poison into nectar?
[00:13:49] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely one of the goals. You know, my, my tantric teacher, he says that tantra is tangible transcendence.
And you know, transcendence, like what is that? Is it to, you know, o, I'm not this body, this is not my reality. Well, I don't know, if I cut myself, I'm going to bleed. I'm definitely in a physical body.
But it's to transcend and to be liberated from those negative aspects. And you know, who's the judge of what's negative?
You know, we get into this whole dualistic point of view. I like in Ayurveda they don't call things good, bad or evil. They say it's either helpful or harmful.
It's that simple. Is it causing sukha or dukkha?
Does it benefit or does it detract and take away from.
And that's where, you know, we can see this merging between the right hand path and left hand path with, with ease and grace. Is it helpful or is it hurtful?
[00:15:04] Speaker A: And what is it helping? Essentially it's us coming into a full realization of who we are. Right?
[00:15:11] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And it boils all the way down to, you know, even the bottom layer of existence. Is a food helpful or harmful? Is the liquid helpful or harmful? Is an intoxicant helpful? Harmful is a meditation process. Helpful, harmful is a pranayama breath technique helpful or the opposite of that?
Are the practices that we choose in yoga and tantra, meditation, bhakti, etc, are they advancing us or are they actually distracting and harming us?
And you know, it just applies to everything across the board from who I choose to talk to how I choose to speak, how I choose to dress, what ritual I do on what day, at what time, facing what direction helpful? Harmful.
[00:16:06] Speaker A: And once we have that, let me
[00:16:07] Speaker B: ask you this, it's easy.
[00:16:08] Speaker A: Oh, go ahead, go ahead. You say once we have that discernment, it's easy.
That's actually what I was going to ask about. How would one know what is helpful or harmful? Because one would think that doesn't know any better that doing all these practices like meditation, yoga, whatever the modality is, is in a general sense helpful. Right. But I think we can both recognize now that not necessarily you could become very attached to one's practice and things that on the surface level are helpful but are actually disharming you and just another attachment.
So I Mean, you kind of already said it with discernment.
What is that discernment? Would you say it's like intuition? Because that's what it is for me. I feel like just like in my body, in my heart, when I know something is right or wrong for me, you know, beyond logic, there's something that is just like a feeling, you know, it's like a body intelligence. Would you say it's similar for you?
[00:17:01] Speaker B: Absolutely.
If somebody is somewhat in alignment, intuition, the soul's intelligence will be much stronger and the person will quote, unquote, intuitively know, okay, this is good, this is not good, this is spiritual bypassing, this is spiritual beneficial. But let's take for instance, I'm just be the devil's advent for a moment because I hear a lot of spiritual circles talk about intuition.
[00:17:36] Speaker C: So intuition is one of those things that we really have to look at and ask, is it accurate?
Because a lot of times in spirituality people are choosing practices that do not benefit them. And you know, when I first started studying yoga and spiritual practices, I kind of just picked them.
You know, you choose a little bit of this pranayama, a little bit of that pranayama, a little bit of this meditation, a little bit of that meditation. And, and what classically happens is people get bored, people get distracted, and then they start reading some other book, then they switch practices and they don't keep a long term sustainable practice, which oftentimes has a much greater effect.
And the other problem is if somebody chooses a spiritual practice, whether it's pranayama or asana meditation, tantric practices, mantra that is not in congruency with their highest development, sometimes they literally will go backwards.
[00:18:52] Speaker A: Yeah. So I guess getting more into it, it's how do we know if our intuition is leading us along?
Because I feel like it's a fine line to know if your intuition is aligned or not. So how would you say, how would you answer that question?
[00:19:12] Speaker C: I would ask the person, are you progressing in the desired manner that you want?
Are you seeing positive results in what you're choosing?
Are you getting the types of outcomes that you're looking for? You know, it's kind of like in magic, if you're not doing the operation correctly, you're not going to get the desired outcome.
But some people's intuition is even broken, we'll say in terms of what they even want to achieve.
So it's a very fine line. And some people, you know, Maguda Ma says that some people might take a hundred more lifetimes to get it.
And you're like a hundred more lifetimes.
And, you know, spirituality, we often hear about this intuition. And people have great intuitions. And some people, it's just.
It's offline, it's completely wrong, and they're just running in a circle and they don't have the discernment to realize that that's what they're doing. People on the outside may or may not even recognize it because people get good at hiding and concealing what's actually going on in their inner landscape.
And if you're really in tune with your intuition, the soul is going to lead you to the most direct pathway. The soul is going to lead you towards levels of liberation. You're going to see improvement in regular life, improvement in physical health, improvement in emotions, improvement in so many layers of life. Whereas if the opposite is true or taking effect that the intuition is not accurate, we're going to see setbacks, downfalls. Now, that might just be where you're at in life because sometimes we have to go through that purification process, but we should be seeing good results with the practices being done.
[00:21:19] Speaker A: I see.
So sort of like you judge a tree by its fruits, by the fruits of your labor.
[00:21:26] Speaker B: Yeah. Very well said.
[00:21:28] Speaker A: Thank you.
Yeah.
Because I see that a lot, a lot of people are in doing these modalities or practices, the plant medicines, whatever it is, and it's only confining them more. Right. It's only. It's only forming more of a knot, more of an identity.
And, yeah, it can be.
It can be very destructive, for sure. I'm seeing that. I used to think it was all good. Like, if anyone's. If someone's on the path.
[00:22:01] Speaker B: Right.
[00:22:02] Speaker A: That doing the spiritual stuff, then it's good. It's generally a good thing, which I would say it is. You know, it's better than some other things that you could be doing. For sure.
[00:22:10] Speaker B: Absolutely.
[00:22:12] Speaker A: Yeah. But there's still discernment that you need to abide by when you are embarking upon these spiritual practices.
[00:22:20] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:22:21] Speaker C: You know, when I teach at the university, I. I point out even simple stuff like pranayama breath techniques. Most people are doing some sort of spiritual practices. They'll eventually come across pranayamas and breathing methods. And, you know, we learn like 15 in year one and in year two. And I point out to the students, I'll say, not all of these breath techniques are good for everybody. You know, you might see some fancy meditative breath technique and you latch onto it, and everybody says it's such a great method and such Great results. And then you just automatically start doing it. And let's just take pranayama, for example. Real simple, fourth limb of yoga.
If pranayama is chosen wrong or done wrong, it will cause more rajas, agitation in the mind, or more tamas and darkening of the mind. So we think, well, I'm doing a good spiritual practice. This is one of those great breathing techniques, but it's actually worsening the person's capability to reach self actualization. They're going backwards.
And the same with things like, let's go a step further mantra.
People will say, oh, I picked this mantra off of Google already. I've got a little bit of a rock in my shoe there. And they'll say, you know, I've been doing this mantra for the past three months. And at first I was elated and energized and all of these positive things. And then they start describing how things are going backwards or changing in a way that's undesirable.
And, and that's when I start asking, you know, do you have a teacher who has been taught these techniques, who have been given authorization to teach these techniques, techniques to others?
Because a lot of times it's the discernment of a teacher who can pinpoint, you know, you're. You're already overheated and spicy on the inside. Your mind is already rejoicing, imbalanced. That, let's say breath of Fire technique is contraindicated and will cause worsening of the imbalance.
[00:24:46] Speaker A: Yeah. So I think that leads us down a good route of having a teacher or following a lineage that's been around for a long time. Would you say that's a pivotal part of the path, is finding out essentially someone you can trust?
[00:25:00] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. You know, many, many years ago, I
[00:25:03] Speaker B: would have said, no.
[00:25:04] Speaker C: You know, you can use your knowledge and, you know, pinpoint what's good and what's not bad. But then I finally realized that my intuition was a little bit wonky and I was trying all sorts of different techniques, but I didn't have a teacher. And I used to say, I'm not the guru kind of person. I don't. I'm. I'm from the United States. I don't understand that system.
And, you know, I got on bended knees and folded hands and said, show me a teacher that can guide me. And before you knew it, boom, I was in India. And there was my guru Ma, and she looked at me and she said, you need to work on this and not on that. You need to let go of this and stop messing with that. And I was like, that's not what I wanted to hear.
You needed to hear is what I needed to hear.
You know, even in tantra, now that I have the knowledge I have, I personally would not embark upon that pathway without a living kudu because you can walk into all sorts of wormholes and a lot of self inflicted pain is unnecessary. Whereas if you have somebody with a guiding stick that says, oh, careful over there, you know, move this way, or you're doing that mantra on the wrong day, you're doing it in the wrong setting. There's so many different aspects to spirituality that some people, they just get lost in the smorgasborg, the, you know, buffet, and they're not really getting the full effect or they might just be walking in a circle. And for me personally, I needed living teachers. My, my tantric teacher, I meet with him every single month still. It's been years and years and years. We meet every month. He gives me assessment, he gives me new exercises, new to do, deepens my practices, lets me know if I need to trim the fat, change things around.
And it has been the most accelerated learning process and self transformation ever. And I did a lot of stuff before that.
So for me personally, I needed a living teacher. There'll be a lot of people who say, I don't want to do the guru thing, you know, And I'm not saying that everybody has to do that. It just depends on how deep you want to go. Because a lot of people, like, let's just take tantra for example this time around.
What is a tantra? It's a living body of knowledge. But most people become aware at some point that not all the instructions are spelled out fully. Some of the books have kind of a little twilight language, or you have to know to decode the information to do it correctly.
And it's not that, you know, I joke oftentimes, you're not going to blow up if you do it and you don't have the knowledge correctly.
But there are certain aspects of spirituality that people are blocked from until they've been given the key to walk through the door. You can have the book, you can have the knowledge of everything in the book, but still not be unlocking it. You're just knocking on the door and walking around the building, you still haven't even gotten into the building. And a lot of people think, let's say in tantra, that they have the verbiage, they have the history down pat, and they can intellectually regurgitate everything. That they've learned in a book.
But then all of a sudden, they get a living guru who's been given this knowledge in an unbroken pathway. And it's not just the knowledge, it's the shakti being transmitted.
And then all of a sudden, they realize I had missed it all along, and it's just unlocked.
[00:29:29] Speaker A: Yeah. So you're saying there is this subtle transmission that comes from the teacher that allows me to unlock.
[00:29:38] Speaker C: Absolutely.
I'm sure that plenty of people have experienced this in spiritual circles.
Coming into contact with a person, not necessarily exchanging fancy words or anything along those lines, but being suddenly transformed and unlocked.
And a spiritual guru should ideally be carrying that torch of shakti, and they know who is and who is not prepared to receive it.
And they know what level you're ready to receive.
Because in spirituality, yoga, kundalini, tantra, all of these different sciences and technologies, if the student or the sadhaka is not prepared and they have the energy surge through their body, let's say they have a immature, premature, or not prepared response to kundalini.
Sometimes they have psychotic breaks.
They may appear schizophrenic for a short period of time. And I've seen this happen in people. You know, they're. They're pushing and probing and needling into these tantras, these bodies of work. And then they start fiddling around with mantras and working. They're like, oh, now I have a skull ball, and I'm gonna, you know, cut myself and bleed and, you know, ejaculate into the bowl. And then all of a sudden, things go wrong, and they're like, why did it go wrong? Because a lot of shakti is protected. Like, when you work with the Dakinis, they call them flesh eaters.
And it's not that they gobble up your flesh, but they're there in partially a ugra, or hostile, angry form.
Not to be mean, but to prevent people from wandering into the territory that they don't belong in yet.
So for me, a living guru, a living teacher, is able to say, nakalavrti. You're not ready for that.
I need you to work on this, pose this pranayama and this mantra for the next year before you're deemed ripe and ready for that energy.
Because some people, they.
They go a bit wonky with the practices.
And I like to equate it to, like, schmeagle in the ring, you know, and Lord of the Rings, you know, you get a little taste of that power. You pick up a tantra, you know,
[00:32:41] Speaker B: a body of work.
[00:32:42] Speaker C: And you, you know, you see some practices and you hear about some mantras, you're like, you know, I'm gonna. I'm gonna, like, suddenly be this, you know, fancy spiritual person.
And a lot of times they're not.
[00:32:58] Speaker B: They're just
[00:33:03] Speaker C: book regurgitation.
[00:33:05] Speaker A: Yeah, he's put on a show.
Power is the ultimate temptress.
[00:33:13] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:33:15] Speaker C: One of the ways you can test a student is you give them a little bit of power, and you can even allude that this is, you know, protected knowledge. And then you watch them for a
[00:33:27] Speaker B: year and see if they start divulging
[00:33:30] Speaker C: what they've been told.
[00:33:31] Speaker A: Interesting.
[00:33:32] Speaker C: And then, you know, they're not qualified for secret information.
[00:33:39] Speaker A: Secret. Yeah. That's how I feel this whole tantric path is. It's like, as you said, decoding.
We're decoding secret information. Very sacred and secret information.
[00:33:48] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:33:49] Speaker A: And if you don't decode it in the right way, then it's going to decode you. You know, it's going to tear you apart.
So, yeah, definitely a fine line to walk. And that's why it's important to have a teacher. Fascinatingly enough, I don't have a teacher myself. I think I have a very unique path where I haven't been granted a teacher yet because I have to do the podcast. It's like, if I had a teacher, I wouldn't be talking to these other teachers. You know what I'm saying?
Because I'm always like, when am I going to find a dedicated teacher? I don't want to. I don't want to devote myself to someone that I don't really feel I should devote myself to. Right. I don't want to prematurely or immaturely devote myself to anybody, But I'm like, I'm open for a teacher universe, God, like, whenever you want to send me a teacher. But I think I haven't been given a teacher yet because I have this very, very unique path and very unique karma of talking to hundreds of teachers all over the world.
[00:34:39] Speaker C: Absolutely. And. And the other thing about that is sometimes teachers come and go.
[00:34:45] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:34:45] Speaker C: We don't always have the same teacher for all of our life. So, for instance, I was first initiated into a right hand path through my kuruma, and of course, she's still. Still my spiritual mother. But I was also initiated into other paths through other people who I still consider my guru. So I've had multiple gurus. And that's not to say that you should guru hop and just shop around until you find one that tells you what you want to hear or gives you what you want to learn.
But we go through different pathways. You know, like I've had my Ayurvedic gurus, the Vaidyas at the university, who taught me everything I know about Ayurvedic medicine, the Vedas and that science, technology of self actualization. But then I have my right hand path guru, Ma, who taught me so much about that. And then at a certain point, I said, I need to do deeper plumbing work. I need a tantric roto rooter. And then now I have my tantric spiritual father.
Now, some people in some lineages have
[00:36:11] Speaker A: a
[00:36:13] Speaker C: tradition or a methodology that causes Westerners to believe.
Now I have to bow at their feet. I have to do everything they say. I have to serve them. And I'm like their, you know, Savitar for life.
And that. That's heavy. That's really heavy.
But one thing that we can say for sure is I will always have eternal gratitude to each guru that I've had.
I will always try to best serve and pass that knowledge forward, whether it be through teachings that I've been authorized to give, or whether it be through my deeds and my actions and regular mundane life.
And, you know, I always tell people, if it is a spiritual teacher that you're seeking, you might not be seeking a guru, because to be a guru, you have to be deemed by a guru who was deemed a guru by their guru who deemed you competent and proficient. To be a guru, sometimes all you need is a well qualified spiritual mentor.
But here in the United States, there's a lot of snake oil being peddled. There's a lot of ego stroking, there's a lot of weird stuff. So I tell students, I say, check that person out, research them, get to know them, hang around them, see if you can go into orbit of their social circle and see if they truly walk the walk and talk the talk consistently over time. And don't be in a rush. You have, you know, at least 100 more lifetimes, most likely.
And if they're truly your spiritual teacher, you're going to keep coming in contact with them.
[00:38:22] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:38:25] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:38:26] Speaker A: Well spoken again. This is an awesome talk.
It's like discernment is always, always needed. No matter what, no matter what part of the path, no matter what aspect of the path that you're diving into, it's always have that discernment, that internal discernment. Now, would you say that discernment is strengthened and maybe we can get an Ayurveda here is Strengthened by just a general sense of health. Because I feel, yes, that's true. Like just having like a basis of health, not feeling like physically, it strengthens that intuitive intelligence, that bodily intelligence.
[00:39:05] Speaker C: Absolutely. So if we trace it backwards, spiritual clarity, mind clarity, emotional clarity, all rely on body clarity.
So let's just take Ayurveda again for an example. Let's say that the person is out of shape, out of balance, eating junk food, but, you know, physically looking appropriate, height and weight. There can be a lot of disease processes happening at the somatic level. Ayurveda clearly spells out that those imbalances, at a certain point, it just takes one, one little grain of rice to tip that scale and then it will invade the mind channels.
So once it invades the mind channels, discernment is out the window.
[00:40:05] Speaker B: Out the window.
[00:40:06] Speaker C: For instance, if we take Pitta, for example, somebody will come in and they'll say, I'm hot, I'm sweaty, I'm cranky, I have diarrhea, my eyes are red, my tongue is swollen and red, or, you know, inflamed and red, and my emotions are hot, fiery. I feel restless and, you know, violent tendencies, and angry all the time. And I'll say we have to treat the physical body to eradicate that from the mind channels. So now we have to avoid spicy food, deep fried foods and flaming items. And they'll say, but that's all I eat. And I'll say, that's why you're sick and that's why your mind channels have been driven offline and your discernment is no longer accurate. We go a step further. In Ayurveda, if you study texts like Sushutra Samhita or Charaka Samhita, there are specifically chapters on insanity, unmada and possession.
And we know that the body is governed by five main elements, water, fire, air, ether, earth.
And that those five, what they call Buddha, Panchamah Buddha. Buddha, by the way, means spirit or elemental, that when through diet and lifestyle, an unhealthy vessel, when those imbalances are created, those Buddha spirits combine in such a way that they invade the mind channel and evade the person's intelligence. And so at that point, intuition and discernment is not accurate anymore.
[00:41:57] Speaker A: Yeah, wow.
[00:41:58] Speaker C: And you can usually tell that with food.
You just watch what they eat and you'll be like, oh, they're eating exactly what makes them imbalanced. That's what they crave, that's what they defend, that's what they cling on to, like the ring. They're like, oh, don't take away my hot, spicy Cheetos. And you're like, okay, all right, all right. Because we know the first step of possession is obsession.
[00:42:25] Speaker A: Possessed by the Cheetos.
[00:42:28] Speaker C: True story.
[00:42:30] Speaker A: Yeah. There's a lot of people that are possessed by the Cheetos and many other things of that nature.
Wow.
Health is everything. Health is the foundation, really, of the whole spiritual path. If you're not healthy, you don't have to be a health freak. But if you're not, if you're eating like shit, it's just not gonna work. You know, we are, like, in very simplistic way, in a very simplistic way, we are like an input and output machine. And if you're just putting in shit, you're gonna output shit to yourself and others. It's that simple.
[00:43:00] Speaker C: It's absolutely true.
Whether it be through emotion, through action, or through internal suffering. Not just physical suffering, but emotional suffering. You know, clients, so common, they'll say, I have all of these emotional things that are bothering me, hormonal things that are bothering me. You know what meditation should I do? I go first. Let me come over and look in your cabinets. Open up your kitchen cabinet. Let me see what you're eating. And I'll say, that's what's wrong, because you're eating all of that, and it's not in alignment with your body. You know, in alchemy, they talk about, like, the philosopher's stone, finding that elixir of immortality, elixir of life. And in Ayurveda, we know exactly what that is. It's called ojas or amritpa. And it's what makes us have a strong immune system, a strong spiritual immunity, a strong emotional stability and immunity. It's what gives us that drive, that excitement, that enthusiasm, that knowing and that wellness. So if the physical body is not healthy, or ojas will not be produced in the physical tissues, the datus, what will happen is sometimes the opposite, Amma. Poison toxins will be created, and it's only a matter of time before those toxins begin causing the mind to go offline.
And then people don't know why they are suffering so much internally, emotionally, or just holding on to old patterns because the physical body is not producing proper amounts of ojas, let alone amrita, which brings that quote, unquote immortality to the spirit body.
[00:44:58] Speaker A: It's got to put down those Cheetos.
[00:45:00] Speaker B: That's right.
[00:45:02] Speaker C: You know, the industry knows what'll make you sick and dumb.
[00:45:06] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:45:07] Speaker C: And that's what they're pushing on everybody.
[00:45:09] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:45:10] Speaker C: I mean, of course it makes them money. You know, if you're a consumer, you need to be a discerning consumer. But, you know, all the way down to what's in our drinks, what's in our food, what's in our water, what's in our lotion, what's in our shampoo, what's in, you know, nail polish, what's in hair dyes. All of these simple things, they start adding up over time and it's just one more weakening of the armor, one more chink in the chest plate, until finally those insidious energies, or lack thereof, patency of being a semi permeable human being, you become invaded.
[00:45:55] Speaker A: Yeah, it's like little micro invasions, little microdoses of the poisons.
[00:46:00] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:46:00] Speaker A: All of our food, all of our products.
Now, my strict guideline is whatever I'm taking in, make sure it's as close to the earth as possible. Like the origin point to me is the least amount of degrees of separation to the earth. You know what I'm getting out here? Organic, essentially. Like, I want it the least processed as possible. Do you think that's a good rule of thumb?
[00:46:31] Speaker B: I do.
[00:46:31] Speaker C: I do. Even down to things like clothing.
You know, like I try to always wear cotton or linen. I don't wrap myself up in cellophane, rayon.
I try to be like a plant and get the right nutrients and excrete the proper amount of waste products in a timely manner. I try to make sure that my food is the minimal level of processed, the whole or fresher, more organic the better. Because when we start letting, we'll call them middle people, slide into the process, then that's where all of the chemicals start coming in. The chemicals are neurotransmitter disturbers, hormone disturbance disturbers.
They disturb the way that we're metabolizing from the stomach to the tissues. And then things go so down the line that people can't pinpoint what's making them sick anymore.
Rule of thumb that I do, if somebody comes to me and I don't practice medicine anymore, I do more spiritual counseling and art and reading and devotion. But sometimes I will take an appointment and people come to me and they'll say, I feel like really, really sick. And I don't know where to start. Everything is falling apart.
And I'll say, then you have to take drastic measures. Stop wearing artificial clothing, wear cotton, wear linen. Stop applying artificial chemicals to your body and your skin. We absorb everything that goes on our skin transcutaneously.
So if you put lotion On. And Your lotion has 30 ingredients in it that you don't know how to pronounce.
[00:48:15] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:48:16] Speaker C: My rule of thumb is if I won't put it in my mouth, I probably won't put it on my skin.
[00:48:23] Speaker A: Okay, I like that.
[00:48:24] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:48:26] Speaker C: Like body products. I'll say, what's wrong with just some coconut oil on your skin? Why is it, you know, gobbly goop from Victoria's, you know, Pandora's box putting on your skin? I mean, you, you smell like a chemical crap storm. Really.
[00:48:42] Speaker B: Once you separate yourself from all of
[00:48:44] Speaker C: those toxins and realize how each of them move into one more system to take you offline. For instance, what do we eat through our eyes?
[00:49:00] Speaker A: What do we eat through our eyes? You mean like the media we consume?
[00:49:03] Speaker C: Yeah, Everything we consume through our eyes determines whether our spiritual vision is correct or not.
[00:49:14] Speaker A: Uh huh, yeah.
[00:49:15] Speaker C: Everything we consume through our ears influences whether our inner listening is correct or not.
Everything that we consume through our nose has the ability to give us helpful signals or harmful signals. So, you know, I talk about this a lot of times here and I'll say, you know, who, who is wearing that perfume today?
Like, I need you not to come to class with all of that perfume on. And they'll say, well, you know, it smells nice and, and I get it. But when we think even about our nose and the way that the outside modern world inhibits our sense of smell, people who always have some sort of plug in or, you know, diffusing this and that into the air 24 7, wearing this perfume, wearing that lotion, how are you going to smell somebody's hormones and pheromones?
You know, like they say a dog can smell fear on you.
A lot of spiritually in tuned people, they can smell when your alignments are wrong. They can smell when you have bad intentions. They can even quote, unquote, smell if you're a liar.
[00:50:41] Speaker A: Smell.
[00:50:42] Speaker C: Right, right. If it smells like crap, it probably is crap. But they're so inundated by the modern world and their senses are dulled and have become incapable of accurate discernment because they're so separated from the natural world. I'll ask people, when's the last time you went outside, sat in the dirt, took your shoes off, walked around barefoot, took the rubber off your shoes, took the polyester socks off, took off your, you know, you know, clothes and just laid in the sun like a plant or like an animal does? When's the last time you turned off all the media and turned off all the chatter? And turned yourself away from the cesspool of modern contaminations. And they're like, I think you're a little extreme.
[00:51:37] Speaker B: Like, wow, we're in the Kali Yuga.
[00:51:39] Speaker C: We need extreme measures sometimes. And really it's not extreme. When did organic become so difficult?
When did living naturally become some extremist activity?
[00:51:52] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. It's only extreme because it's Kali Yuga.
[00:51:57] Speaker C: It's only extreme because others have moved so fast, far away from it.
[00:52:04] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. They're the extremists.
[00:52:10] Speaker C: Victims of their own modern world.
[00:52:13] Speaker A: Yeah, I like that. Victims in their own modern world. Yep.
This is powerful.
And as you said. Yeah, it's just coming back to the natural state. That's really what this whole path is about, is coming back into our natural state, how we're actually supposed to conduct ourselves as human beings.
More than just instinct, you know, more than just survival and procreation. There's a way that we can thrive, that we can actually be happy, essentially. And it's just coming back into this natural state, these natural practices, these natural ways of taking care of ourself.
That's all it is.
It's really simple, actually.
[00:52:51] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:52:51] Speaker C: And one more point on instinct that I wanted to talk about, if I can go backwards a moment.
A lot of instinct is based off of ancestral intelligence or ancestral knowledge that is passed down.
And sometimes instinct is more irrational fears or reactions rather than proper sustaining instinct or knowledge of the soul. Knowledge through the soul.
So instinct, even in animals, like how does. How does the monarch butterfly know how to get all the way back to Mexico before the Day of the Dead?
[00:53:45] Speaker B: Like, wow. Like that.
[00:53:47] Speaker C: That's crazy business that that butterfly has that instinct and that built in knowledge.
But I've often said it only takes a generation and a half to cause somebody's ancestral knowledge to become mutated or disconnected and to change what people think is instinct, which is actually implanted faulty information.
I didn't fully understand how information could be implanted into the body. And I'll give a really short example. When I was younger, I was afraid of tall fences. I give this example all the time in class, so I was afraid of tall fences. You see a tall fence, I'd be like.
And I would have a sense of unease inside of me. And, you know, my family was like, what's with her and the tall fences? Cause I never had a tall fence incident.
It's not like I jumped a fence and fell and hurt myself. And I think I was about in my 40s and I was driving down the 15 freeway with my mom and I saw like a, you know, industrial buildings. Tall fence.
Tall fence. My mom was like, are you.
What's with you in the. Tall fences?
And eventually we got around to her revealing to me a fact that I didn't know that her grandfather was in Nazi prison camp.
[00:55:18] Speaker B: Wow.
[00:55:19] Speaker C: Did not like tall fences.
And the minute I became aware of that, I realized what I thought was instinct was actually just passed on ancestral knowledge. And I was never afraid of Atlanta after that.
[00:55:39] Speaker B: I was liberated from it.
[00:55:41] Speaker C: So sometimes what we think is instinct is just Samskara.
[00:55:49] Speaker A: Yeah. Wow. Ancestral samskara.
[00:55:53] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:55:56] Speaker C: Implanted into us, and we're not even aware of where it came from. Like phobias, sometimes. Phobias. That's all it is. An ancestor had that fear.
[00:56:07] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:56:08] Speaker B: Wow.
[00:56:09] Speaker A: Yeah.
And you can think of the collective phobias that we have, like spiders or snakes or heights or the dark. Those are all just extremely deep rooted from our ancestors.
[00:56:22] Speaker C: Absolutely.
[00:56:23] Speaker A: Which made sense. You know, it actually makes sense to a certain extent. Like that made sense to your. Was it your mother's grand.
[00:56:29] Speaker C: My mother's grandfather.
[00:56:30] Speaker A: Your mother's grandfather, yeah. Your mother's grandfather. It makes sense, obviously. But it's like, I think that's our duty is to see it, that it had a place. Right. See it for what it is and then transmutate it. And then that is. I mean, that is this the transmutation. Right. It's seeing it differently, seeing why and how it came about. And then, yeah, you won't be afraid of fences anymore or snakes or spiders or whatever it is, because you get to see it differently. It's quantum in that manner.
[00:57:01] Speaker B: It is.
[00:57:01] Speaker C: And that's part of that transcendence in this physical world is overcoming our fears, overcoming our shame, our blame, our victimization, our feelings of disempowerment, feeling disenfranchised, feeling, you know, worry, anxiety. All of those things are there, but do we need them? Can we just recognize where did they come from and surrender them to the divine and say, show me where this came from, because it's not serving me any longer?
You know, a lot of times an instinct can be based off of something that is protective and good.
But I'll say sometimes just because you have a chainsaw, because you had a fallen tree once, doesn't mean you should pack that in your suitcase every single day or take the chainsaw to the grocery store. You need to know when to put that coping mechanism or emotion or pattern away and, you know, put it down and say, that was helpful once But I don't necessarily need to exhibit that conditioning for the rest of my life.
[00:58:25] Speaker A: Yeah, I think that's the metamorphosis into Satyuga.
Right. As you said in the beginning, some of us can live in Satyuga while in the midst of Kali Yuga. And I think it's just that. It's just being able to transmutate our trauma, essentially our collective trauma and karma over the generations and see it differently. And then thus, you almost like, open up this metaphorical wormhole and put yourself into a different reality in the world and not of it, and you're already in the next Yuga.
[00:59:01] Speaker C: Absolutely.
[00:59:03] Speaker B: And that.
[00:59:04] Speaker C: That just takes some. Some earnest self introspection. You know, in the Raja Yoga, they call that swadhiaya. Self study and studying texts and methods that will help transcend that to, you
[00:59:22] Speaker B: know, life is always going to have
[00:59:25] Speaker C: some degree of suffering and difficulty. You stub your toe, you fall down, skin your knee, whatever, you have heartbreak. Things don't go the way you expected.
But how quickly can we transcend past it? How quickly can we say, okay, on to the next thing now, and not be wrapped up and held in that? You know, a lot of times we meet people and they're still talking about the. The thing that happened 30 years ago, and it's like, it's fresh. You're like, are you still talking about that?
I mean, it's okay.
Guru Ma says it might take them 100 more lifetimes.
And I like to think of us as, you know, students on a spiritual pathway. And just because we've made it to third grade or, you know, a junior in high school, metaphorically in the spiritual academics, it doesn't mean that we should go kicking kindergarteners because they don't know how to tie their shoes.
We should then in turn turn around and help other people. You know, like you're doing on this podcast.
[01:00:29] Speaker A: You're.
[01:00:29] Speaker C: You're exposing people to more avenues and tools to improve themselves rather than, you know, maybe some other platform that might poke fun and needle people for being where they're at in life.
When we learn, then we turn around, put a hand out and say, here, let me help you up.
That's part of that spiritual debt or good karma, is to be of service here on earth in an appropriate, helpful way.
[01:01:11] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, I think that's inevitably where the path leads us to, is servitude in our own way.
[01:01:18] Speaker C: Right.
[01:01:18] Speaker A: In our own flavor. It's giving back a little bit, Right?
[01:01:23] Speaker B: Absolutely.
[01:01:25] Speaker C: Do more. More help than harm.
[01:01:29] Speaker A: Yeah. I like that. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Because there's, like, nothing else to do.
You know, that's what I feel at least, is like, what else am I gonna do? I know I could use these tools and my skills for other means.
You know, I could have conversations about sports or just degenerative stuff, which. That's okay. That all has its place, you know, whatever. But I'd rather have these kind of conversations, right? It's like utilizing the times for these kind of. This kind of service, Right? And I think we can all make that choice, right? We come to a certain part in our path where we're skilled at something, right? We have a certain niche. There's something that we're good at. So I'm going to utilize that skill in a way that ultimately helps others. It helps myself, and it helps others. I think that's the formula. That's the blueprint that we find ourselves at.
[01:02:29] Speaker B: You know, I agree, because we can
[01:02:31] Speaker C: do spiritual practices all day long, but they say the accomplished spiritual sadhak must eventually come off of the mountain and help other people.
You have to come down and at least get your hands dirty from time to time or. Or do your part to.
To help back. And going back a little bit, full circle, that's, to me, the biggest debt that we have in servitude to our teachers or our gurus. I remember one time I had finished my doctorate degree in ayurvedic medicine, and my ayurvedic vaidya and mentor, he said, maybe not these exact words. He basically said, now, I want you to go spread this knowledge in the way that you're capable of, or you've essentially wasted my life energy teaching you.
[01:03:28] Speaker B: I was like, damn, dang, that's heavy.
[01:03:31] Speaker A: Dang.
[01:03:32] Speaker C: Same thing with my kuruma. She, you know, she doesn't require and demand things of me, but what she does ask of me to do for life is to teach other people how she taught me.
If it was helpful and useful, why wouldn't I want to turn around and give that knowledge to other people?
And that's where I believe your highest servitude to your teachers lies. First, do what you learned. Practice what you preach.
But more importantly, how can you give back? And what degree of giving back is selfless?
Are you willing to, you know, speaking in general terms, are we willing to help somebody who has absolutely no way of helping or repaying us back?
And at that point, we start seeing what our spiritual mission is made of, because the soul ideally should be coming through in a way that we're creating peace, harmony and stability.
In most situations we come in contact with. Every once in a while Kali mouth sneaks in there and everything just has to be obliterated. You know, that happens. Um, but ideally we should be producing better outcomes with most things we touch. There's always those people in life. Everything they touch just goes to hell. And you're like every relationship they're in just turns into sour, you know, rot. Every friendship they try to have becomes toxic. And where's the common denominator? They're the common denominator. And if you can say in your life that most people you come in contact with are better as a result, then perhaps your pure love soul is coming through. Because the soul is pure love pure with no self motivated vampiric taking qualities to it. The soul is ever giving and ever pure. So people who are really operating out of their soul, that should be a long term evidenced effect in their life. Whereas if they start turning around in their vampiric in nature. Give me this, give me that. I'm not going to share with you until you give me that. Give me that. I'm not saying that it shouldn't be a proper exchange, but that's oftentimes how I will analyze in my own way is has somebody reached a level of spiritual maturity or soul contact?
[01:06:42] Speaker A: Yeah, I like to think of it like what comes first?
Where's your intention truly lie? Is it giving and then receiving or is it receiving and then giving?
[01:06:56] Speaker B: Right.
[01:06:56] Speaker A: In terms of exchange. Because everything is an exchange, we could say, especially in the western capitalistic manner. But it's like, are you doing it just to get something out of that situation or that somebody. Is that your sole intent or is your soul intent, no pun intended, to first give yourself to that person or that thing and then the fruits come? The fruits come and go. That's the thing is the fruits come and go. That's for sure. I got plenty of fruits, but it doesn't matter if they come and go because I'm doing it for more than the fruits.
[01:07:27] Speaker B: Right, right.
[01:07:29] Speaker C: And we see the reward of doing it beyond the desire or lust for results.
[01:07:37] Speaker A: The lust for results.
That's it.
Yeah.
Feel that. That's tough. That's definitely tricky because we have been conditioned into the lust for results since birth pretty much.
[01:07:51] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:07:51] Speaker A: But it's worth it, right? To really just live and give. To live and give yourself to something. For more than results, to just, I don't know, to just be here.
Right. That's how I feel I am now. I'm Just here. I turned on the camera. I'm just here doing me to. To find that flow state that's a true essence of freedom that I think is very rare, that not a lot of people tap into. Unfortunately, I'm not saying that in a grandiose way. I wish more people could tap into that because. Because I feel so free being able to create in this way, to just create, because that's so liberating. And I think every human being is capable of that. But unfortunately, a small percentage have actually touched upon that wavelength.
[01:08:39] Speaker C: Very well said.
Very well said. People will oftentimes ask me, you know, why did you do that, art? Why did you make that music? Why did you write that album? Why did you publish that book?
[01:08:50] Speaker B: Have you hit a million views yet?
[01:08:52] Speaker A: Somebody asked you that right before this podcast. Why are you doing another podcast?
[01:08:56] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, actually, somebody did just this morning.
And I say, because I want to share.
There's no other reason for it. It's. It's out of either devotion or sharing. You know, people will say, aren't you worried that people won't like your book? And I say, no, not at all, because I didn't write the book just for humans. It's done out of devotion. What if somebody doesn't like your devotional album? I don't care if they don't like it. I did it for devotional reasons.
And if other people enjoy it, well, that. That's. That's great also.
But it's a huge freeing point to no longer be attached to that lust for results, the lust for praise, the lust for likes, the. The. The expectations of going viral, or, you know, all these different things that we've also been conditioned to want.
[01:09:59] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:09:59] Speaker C: Either you're doing it for the sake of doing it because your indwelling soul has prompted you to do so, or you're just tangled in the Maya of your mind, just walking around.
[01:10:17] Speaker A: Yep.
Sounds like you just described art.
I had the saying. I posted it the other day.
Let me. I don't want to mess it up. Hold on one second. It's all art is content, but not all content is art.
[01:10:38] Speaker B: I see that so much.
[01:10:39] Speaker A: Like, why can't we just make everything online? Especially now, since, you know, everything's monetized on the Internet.
Everything is for the results of getting as many likes, as many views as possible. But for me personally, that's cool. That comes and go. I know people will watch this and get views and likes, and people tell me I'm cool or not cool in the comments, whatever it is. But what about just making art? Have you ever thought about that? Anybody listening? Have you ever thought about just making something just because. Just like people used to back in the day to just sit down and paint a picture just because. Sit down and have a conversation just because.
[01:11:13] Speaker B: Just because.
[01:11:14] Speaker A: That's so rare.
Yeah, but that makes a good conversation or a good piece of art, a good piece of music is you're doing it not so that somebody can like you or think you're cool or make money off it. That may happen for sure, and it does. But the main primary reason is just because. And I think that's freedom is like, you're living in all aspects. Not even in terms of like, you know, physical art.
You make your whole life the art form, and you're living just because. All the things that you do is just because.
Right. You're loving just because. That's what I find. It's just an in that. Just because essence is, well, I'm just gonna love you.
You know, that just comes along the way just because, you know, a lot
[01:12:00] Speaker C: of people, they're not able to reach that state that they. They do it only because they want something in return.
And that indicates not saying that it's bad, but it indicates that their global operating system is coming from lack.
[01:12:20] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. That's a big switch.
[01:12:23] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:12:24] Speaker A: Abundance.
[01:12:28] Speaker C: Exactly. Because when we're operating out of lack of, we approach the world and everything we do in a negative lens. I want. I'm gonna do this. If you give to me, I'm gonna do this. But I need this back in return.
And that indicates an incomplete self.
The. You know, a lot of people say when you yoke with your soul, when you go into that state of spiritual abundance, that there's a lot more blissfulness, contentment, Santosha.
Rather than only doing things because you want to gain something or you expect something, you give for the sake of giving. You. You do devotional work for the sake of doing devotional work. A lot of times I'll do artwork. And people say, what are you drawing? And I'll say, I'm not sure yet. Well, what are you doing it for?
I'm not sure yet. It's out of devotion.
And they'll say, well, what are you going to do with it? I have no idea yet. I'm not even done drawing it. I'm not even sure what else is going to come through. Why are you drawing that? Why are you writing that poetry? It's dark, it's strange, it's weird. Why. And I'll say, I don't know why. And a lot of times the things that I do in life, I consider it not in a negative way, an excretion of where I'm at. It's just a byproduct. Just like hair is a byproduct of the health of your bones.
The level of inspiration to do art, to do music, to do, you know, things like podcasts and creative discussions, it shows a level of soul infused inspiration when it's not attached to the desire for the outcomes.
And that's very freeing. Very freeing.
[01:14:35] Speaker A: Yeah. That is freedom in some sense.
And the ironic thing too is once you don't want any of the results, the results come.
Once you give it all up, you say, I'm good, I don't need anybody to like me. That's when people start liking you.
[01:14:57] Speaker B: Oftentimes very, very true.
[01:15:00] Speaker C: And, and the other thing is, is because you're not, you're not secretly saying, I need it, bring it to me, I want energy.
When you stop doing that, you open up the channels and what you need actually comes to you.
I'm not saying it always happens, but more often than not, what we thought we needed wasn't where it was at.
And when we liberate ourselves from these entanglements of the modern world, entanglements of our mind, entanglements of our ancestors even, and we do the same spiritual pathway in the work, like we've said several times, it shows in the fruit that comes to be yielded. It shows in the bloom, it shows in the roots, it shows in the stability of character as well.
And in Ayurveda, they'll say, all you have to do is stick your tongue out and they'll be able to tell where you're at because it shows in the physical body as well.
[01:16:15] Speaker A: Proof in the pudding 100%.
If you know, you know, I think that's a good note to wrap it up at.
Right?
[01:16:29] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:16:29] Speaker A: Do you have anything else you want to say, though?
[01:16:33] Speaker C: You know, I hope that anybody catching this particular conversation has a sense of inspiration to, you know, not judge themselves, but to look at things slightly differently and to, you know, really understand where imbalance comes from. You know, that it stems not only from the downward trickle from the spirit body to the physical body, but from the physical body and a trickle up effect into spiritual realms.
And that we don't always trust what we're thinking and feeling because instinct, insight and discernment is off balance in a large portion of our population.
And like we've discussed, go back to the basics. Go back to the roots, go back to the earth, Go back to simple living, simple desires, simple eating, and just see if that doesn't change things in all levels of living and existence.
[01:17:50] Speaker A: Amen.
Beautiful.
Keep it simple, everybody.
Christy, thank you for joining me. This is.
[01:17:58] Speaker B: Thank you very much.
[01:18:01] Speaker A: I don't have anything else to say.
Wonderful conversation. Keep up the awesome work, and I wish you all the best.
[01:18:07] Speaker C: Absolutely. Have an excellent day, too.
[01:18:10] Speaker A: Peace and love, everybody. Namaste.
