Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Beth, thank you for joining me today.
[00:00:01] Speaker B: Thanks for having me here, Gary. Good to meet you.
[00:00:04] Speaker A: For sure.
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So, yeah, getting this thing started, would you be able to give us a little bit about who you are and what you do? Exactly, yeah.
[00:00:13] Speaker B: Well, that's always a. That's always a question I wake up every day asking myself.
So I have been calling myself a spiritual business coach and a soul expansion guide for many years now. I, um, I've been doing this for about 10 years and I don't know how I'm evolving and what I'm turning into. Um, but my work is shifting out there in the world. I have been on the path of serving a lot of people who work with psychedelics and plant medicines, both professionally in their business, helping them grow and, and other ways of what I would call psychedelic assisted healing.
And I too have a podcast called Medicine for these Times. I've produced a bunch of online summits around psychedelics and soul's purpose and have kind of created this little niche inside of the world of, of medicine, sacred medicine, psychedelic healing. But I also do other work around working with the psyche and the subconscious, or what I like to call the not conscious realm of doing transformational work with transformational neurolinguistic programming, along with some other modalities that I've been trained in various somatic modalities and shamanic modalities to help people reprogram their thinking, which is creating their reality. So as a business coach for many years, I had to witness what was truly stopping people from growing their business. And in the end, the majority of the time it is just thinking, programming beliefs, most of what is not conscious in people's minds and their thinking. But me as a business coach was very. It was very easy for me to see what was in the way of people's, you know, making money, getting clients and growing and growing their business. So I do a lot of work with that as well.
I do have a separate offering that is mostly just that subconscious reprogramming and transformational change work.
And it's pretty magical. You just start to see shifts in your reality that are unexplainable.
And I also do some work with plant energetics. I don't know when this is going to be published, but I'm hosting an online or a virtual soft data with the plant nettle along with a friend of mine who is an incredible clinical herbalist and herbal educator and then another friend who is an astrologer for.
So that's coming up. Actually it starts next week, March 9th. And it's a three week journey. And then after that, Sam and I, the herbal educator, are running our second cohort of a program called the Energetics of Psilocybin, Restoring and remembering the missing piece in contemporary psychedelic practices.
And it is unlike anything else out there. It is not just about the energetics of psilocybin, but about the energetics of other plants that can be used as allies and tools for people who hold psychedelic space, whether it's with psilocybin or ayahuasca or pretty much essentially any psychedelic medicine. But it is primarily focused around psychedelic mushroom. So, yeah, that's what I'm up to. It's kind of a. I don't even know what to call it. But many years ago, one of my friends who's also an astrologer that I work with, called me a Gaian facilitator, which is kind of, you know, a loose term for everything I do.
[00:03:49] Speaker A: I like that. Yeah.
[00:03:51] Speaker B: Gaian facilitator.
[00:03:53] Speaker A: You're like hooking people up to the Gaian mind.
[00:03:55] Speaker B: Yeah, essentially. It's like I always say, I work for Gaia. You know, I'm. I'm here in service to this earth, this path, the. The. I don't even like to use the word healing, but the awakening of the human heart and helping people move out of fear and into the truth of their sovereign path of divinity.
And, you know, in simple terms, I've called that spiritual business coach because that resonates with a lot of people. But on a deeper level, it's what I believe to be doing soul work. I mean, I've witnessed this for years, is when you are coming into the path of what you're here to do, what you really want to be doing, what lights you up, what inspires you, what feels true and authentic and align.
That's your soul. It's this incarnation. It's not like, oh, I'm just here to sell a bunch of crap on Amazon and make money. It's like, you're here doing soul work. So what do you call someone that's helping people reprogram their entire life to step into their soul's purpose?
I don't know.
I can come up with a thousand different names, but that's kind of it in a nutshell. Yeah.
[00:05:07] Speaker A: Awesome.
[00:05:07] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:05:10] Speaker A: Well, it's very powerful.
And I think it's hard to generalize what that is because we all have our servitude in our own.
Our own title, you could say, and how we give back and how we help others awaken to the guy in mind. We all have our own role or dharma in that regard.
[00:05:32] Speaker B: I believe so. Yep.
[00:05:33] Speaker A: All right. Yeah, but yours situates around psychedelics mainly.
[00:05:41] Speaker B: You know, it's really weird.
So since I was a kid I have actually been, you know, very entrepreneurial and very like business minded. So I'm a Capricorn Rising and it's actually my North Node as an Aquarius. And when you kind of depending on which astrological modality you believe in, but I've known this since I was a kid that I'm pretty much here to help people bring things here into this 3D realm, whatever that means. Right. It's like as much as we don't like it, we're still living here on Earth where money is part of the system and most people need to make it and survive in this kind of system that we know is crumbling and hopefully will no longer exist by the time before I die. Hopefully. But, you know, so it's like I've just been naturally very good at seeing things and putting them together and making things happen. This is actually what I used to do in my corporate career. I worked in a very typical corporate America job for, I don't know, about 14 years. And then I actually worked in the tech startup world.
And I've always been really good at kind of seeing and I see still do this with friends. I mean, I literally saw it with a friend just the other day where I was like, oh, here's what you're going to be doing in a few years.
And I just laid it out and she's like, oh, you know, it's like she's, she's a musician who wants to do this and this and this and doesn't have the kind of mind that I have where I can see it and lay it out and actually execute and make it happen.
Like bring the spiritual down here into this 3D of like, you know, the very pentacle plane. Right. Like money and clients and business and websites and systems and you know, because that's, it's very Capricorn energy. But my North Node and Aquarius is really about doing the traditional the way Capricorn used to be. It's like there's now a higher octave of the Capricornian energy of this like this earth plane and the masculine. And it's like, how do we bring in a quote Aquarian energy, Aquarian ways of doing quote business? Like, I don't even like the word business. I hate the word marketing. I honestly, most of the words I use, like, they don't really resonate. And it's like, how do we find a higher octave of being of service to create change on the planet and help others and, you know, make a difference in the world?
And that's what I help people do. So, yeah, it's like I'm. I'm kind of moving into, like. Well, it's a higher vibration of what many years ago we would just call, like, launch a business and make money, which to me is like a different system that's like, here and it still operates, but then there's a group of people doing things differently, and those are the people that I tend to help.
So then I have been working with psychedelics for about 30 something years. I started quite young. I grew up in California, and I just blame it on California.
They were a very big part of my spiritual and evolutionary path. And I had already been a business coach. I had already been out there speaking about being on a spiritual path, but I was hiding this whole plant medicine part of my life from the public and even from a lot of my own friends, to be honest.
And it got to the point where not only did I know that I had to, like, be my true self and stop hiding, but I actually started getting told by the medicine for a few years to, like, start talking about this. And this was in, like, 2016. It was not two years ago, it was a while ago.
And I was like, no way. Oh, my God, I can't talk about this. It's illegal. What will people think? You know, like, I have neighbors, I have. You know, this is before it became popular or before it became in, you know, the mass media.
So by 2019, I did an online summit called Psychedelics, Sacred Medicines and Soul's Purpose.
And I just came out like, it was kind of like, well, if you're going to come out and go public, just go, go big. Like, just be blatantly obvious. Like, I'm, you know, I used to speak in code words that only people on the medicine path would understand.
And then it was like, I just had started working with clients that were sitting with various psychedelics and, you know, essentially integrating psychedelic journeys into their work. Because, you know, work is, they say is a third of our life is spent working. But then if you're working with, let's say, ayahuasca or mushrooms and you're starting to have downloads or ideas or changing, it's like, well, then how do you. How do you bring the two together? And that's what I started to see even in communities or the community I would sit with, I saw people that hated their careers, but they would go drink ayahuasca once a month. And it was kind of like they weren't making any changes. And I was like, well, the reason why you're depressed or anxious or, you know, going through whatever you're going through, it's usually, especially here in this western world, it was very often connected to their careers that they hated.
So I started seeing like, this is the problem. You need to integrate these psychedelic journeys into your work. And it's not just about everything else in your life, it's all of your life, because your life is, is all encompassing, regardless if you work in an office or some corporate job or whatever.
So I was already coaching and then I just came out and started speaking about this interconnection of psychedelics and purpose. And then voila, it kind of became this niche that didn't exist because no one was talking about it.
So I do help a lot of people who either work with psychedelics or actually work with psychedelics for their living. A lot of therapists, a lot of underground facilitators who are trying to figure out how to maybe have a legal aspect of their business too, because there's a certain level of running an underground illegal business is not, not always the most ideal thing for people. I actually said since day one, I, I don't think anyone out there, except maybe the people I work with in Peru that kind of live in the jungle. I don't think a lot of people should actually be giving psychedelics as their full time business because it's, it's a lot of energy, it's a lot to hold and it's actually a little unsustainable for most people here in the Western world.
So I do help a lot of people create a business that's a little more sustainable and it's also legal so they can actually like get out there and be public about it and not have to depend on something that's illegal that could be shut down in an instant, which has happened to people out there. So, yeah, so that's essentially what I do, long story short.
[00:12:43] Speaker A: Cool.
Wow. Yeah. And that's how I see the purpose of psychedelics is you take the insight and realizations from the experience into the real world. If not, then really it's just another drug experience. You're just using it as entertainment, essentially. Like if you're not doing anything and changing your life from it, then really, really what are you doing?
[00:13:05] Speaker B: Yeah.
Yeah.
[00:13:07] Speaker A: And, you know, that's how I see it.
[00:13:08] Speaker B: It's okay to have some entertainment here and there, but I don't know, most of them are not very entertaining in general. I mean, you know, there's moments of
[00:13:18] Speaker A: entertainment, but yeah, it could be like a scary movie or a roller coaster, you know.
[00:13:23] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[00:13:24] Speaker A: In some way thrilling.
[00:13:26] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:13:29] Speaker A: But let me ask you that.
To somebody that doesn't know any better, right?
Which I imagine anyone listening, they probably do know better. But let's say, hypothetically, let's pretend here they have no idea what psychedelics do for you or could potentially do for you. How would you explain that to somebody that has no idea?
[00:13:46] Speaker B: Yeah, you know, in a nutshell, I think they just reveal what is already there. I mean, that's kind of like the shorter answer. It's, you know, there's different. All the wisdom traditions around the world say the same thing, right? Like, you know, and I think most of your listeners probably believe in this in some level. But if we believe that there is a soul or something like a soul, like a blueprint, that we come into this particular incarnation right now, it's 2026, and we're in this incarnation right now.
And, you know, I believe, and I think most people listening believe like there's a certain aspect of our spirit that lives forever, right? There is no beginning, there is no end. Time is eternal. This whole thing is an illusion anyways, et cetera.
So, but we come here and then we're born into this life and the programming starts from pre birth. I mean, it's like, it's ancestral, it's epigenetic. It lives in our DNA.
There's. There's energies, there's patternings that get in the way of us being what I would call like our truest essence, our truest quintessence of like, if we were just pure, divine channel. If we shut off the monkey mind completely and lived in pure presence of, you know, like these enlightened masters that we all hear about that existed long before this modern time. I don't really know any enlightened masters on earth right now.
I would love to know who they are. If I've been asking for years, please introduce me to them. But, you know, but if we were just pure, you know, I am presence, the God, presence of here's my heart and here's what I came here to do, and here's what I came here to be and how to live. And in our essential, you know, birthright of joy and play and pleasure and fun and abundance, which, you know, it's very hard for most people to believe that that's actually our natural state because, you know, we live in this system of, you know, it's like programming capitalism, slavery, you know, control. I mean, it's getting worse every day. It's very fascinating.
And. But when you're in your purest of presence and I think anyone who's had an, any kind of non, dual experience, whether it's with psychedelics or anything else, knows you're in that ultimate state of bliss, you know, the samadhi state.
And that's one thing when, when you're in a, let's say a psychedelic experience and you start to get this, this sense of like, oh, there's actually like more to my life or there's something inside me that I've touched in the psychedelic experience that, you know, I, I can't normally touch in my day to day because in your day to day you're going through the rat race, you're in survival, you're in. Most people are walking around with zero presence.
You know, these days are just glued to something, distraction. You know, there's like speed is like faster than ever. There's. Their nervous system is overwhelmed. I mean, I could go on, but when you take the time to really like deepen in. And by the way, this is the same experience you can have with meditation. It's just meditation tends to, I mean, I am a very big believer in meditation, more so than actually psychedelics. But you know, you gotta like be in it, you gotta commit and you gotta be vigilant with meditation to experience that. But, but you know, when all of this, you know, they say it's like soul revealed is what the word psychedelic means. Of course there's arguments that it means other things, but that is actually like, you know, the, the, the gist of what it means. And if you can reveal what your soul is here for in this incarnation and then actually like take the steps to do it, you'll live this life that tends to be. And you know, I'm always very realistic, but I know from my own experience and from what I've witnessed with clients and friends and community members, life does tend to become very magical.
And I do believe that is what it's about. Like, what's the point of living here if you're not almost always experiencing some level of like magic and bliss and beauty, even in the grief, even in the pain, the sorrow. I mean, it's not to say we bypass sadness and grief and loss and war and death and destruction, etc. But it's like I Can now walk around in my life and be in this continuous. I mean, I wouldn't say all the time, but like most the time be aware that this life is a magical gift. I mean, synchronicities, signs, like, just like, even like little moments where it's like, oh, wow, you know.
[00:18:33] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:18:33] Speaker B: A different way of living. And I know this because I used to not live this way and then now I do, and it's like, oh, wow, what a different experience. I mean, I've been lucky where I think as a little kid I had some pretty. What I would call like spiritual activations at a very young age. So I've kind of had this naturally in me, but. But you know, I'm like my own brother. It's like I watch him and I'm like, I think he has like zero of this in his life. And. And somehow we're from the exact same origin, you know, and it's like, well, it becomes a choice to choose to live in a, in a world where it's like, this is a gift to be incarnated here, even if it is freaking Kali Yuga and hard sometimes. You know, it's also like, wow, this is so exciting. So I think that's what I would put it, you know, in a nutshell. And it's just.
But it's like anything these, these non dual experiences or these non ordinary states are just, you know, hopefully having people see who they truly are and what life is and what, you know, we call this reality, like the truth of what this is, you know, and it's like when you, when you start to see it, it changes your entire perspective and then you can live life differently. You know, it's like if you have a deep awareness that, I mean like the ancient wisdom traditions all knew that this is a. You know, it's the Maya. We are literally living in an illusion. You know, it has. You approach life in a very different way. You know, not everybody can make sense of that or even handle it. I mean, I know it really with my mind when I finally like really got the sense of like, oh my God, this really is an illusion. Like I see it, I feel it, I'm like experiencing it.
And then you're like, oh, then I have to go back to this. Damn.
[00:20:30] Speaker A: Yeah,
[00:20:33] Speaker B: but that's, you know, the whole point is, is we get to go to these experiences to then hopefully bring it back and like be able to live our medicine and hopefully, you know, do what our soul's purpose is here to do in this world right now. And that. That could be just having a podcast, creating art, being a mother. You know, not everybody needs to, like, go save the world, but, like, if you're living your. Your soul's incarnation, like your soul's true will, then life does tend to be much more magical, blissful, aligned.
And then it's like nothing of the world can touch you. That's. That's the way I put it. It's like, yeah, I'm sad about things in the world and it doesn't touch me. You know, it's like it hurts my heart to see, but it's not controlling me. And I. I pray that this is the path that everybody wakes up to, especially in the next few years, because it's our only way out.
Gotta wake up.
[00:21:33] Speaker A: Yeah. It's medicine for the times, right?
[00:21:35] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, totally.
[00:21:38] Speaker A: As well spoken. Yeah. It's like you open up the aperture a little bit, you let a little more light in, and you see it. You see a little more of the image, you could say. And even if the aperture closes, you still saw what you saw. Yeah, right.
[00:21:54] Speaker B: And you never unsee it.
[00:21:55] Speaker A: Exactly. Once you see it, you don't unsee it. Once you peek behind the curtain and see Oz, you always know Oz is there. That's what I like to say.
[00:22:03] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:22:04] Speaker A: Yeah.
Live your medicine. I like that. You gotta live your medicine. And the thing is too, if you do live your medicine and whatever your dharma is, whatever form it takes in your life, even if you don't have a podcast or write a book or make art or do anything really, in terms of physical creation, if you're just a good mother, as you said, that is saving the world.
[00:22:26] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:22:27] Speaker A: Right? We save ourselves to save the world.
[00:22:30] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
[00:22:32] Speaker A: Let me ask you this, though. That is the potential of psychedelics, right? Huge potential. And many people have been helped in that way, for sure.
But then on the other side of the coin, I've known a lot of people that have taken psychedelics and it doesn't do anything for them. Do you think it's all about, yeah,
[00:22:48] Speaker B: go down, get worse? I mean, there's definitely.
[00:22:50] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:22:51] Speaker B: Gotten worse.
[00:22:52] Speaker A: Right. It's kind of the dark side of the psychedelia.
[00:22:55] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:22:55] Speaker A: Do you think it's like, how we approach it, the chemistry, the brain chemistry of the person? Some people aren't meant to get it. Like, you know, what is that?
[00:23:04] Speaker B: Yeah, it's really fascinating because, I mean, trust me, I have friends, even friends that probably shouldn't even touch them that do. You know, I've seen, I've Seen everything over the years.
You know, I do believe the path of especially certain psychedelics are not for everyone. You know, I do believe that.
Yeah, part of it could be.
I don't, I don't really think it's potentially. I wouldn't say it's chemistry, but it's patterning.
A lot of it is rooted in trauma patterning. So if you understand like the depths of people's patternings and their minds, you know, certain minds like you. I mean, to me it's like it is kind of on some level, Jedi training. Like, I don't think I would have been able to.
I actually recently just worked with iboga. I. When I first heard about it 14 years ago, I don't think I would have been able to handle it.
I don't know, maybe. I mean, maybe it would have been okay. Same with ayahuasca. It's like I've seen people completely lose their shit totally. And it's, it's like not for everyone. I mean, it can destabilize you and make you worse. So I think a lot of it is.
But this is where I, I preach meditation all the time.
You know, having certain practices of day to day, your energy system, like, are you grounded? Are you already ungrounded, are you hyped up on whatever stimulants or caffeine, etc. Do you have proper support? You know, if you're already in a pretty unstable place, you know, physically, energetically, emotionally, like, maybe, I don't know, doing bufo is not the answer. Maybe going on a silent meditation retreat would be better or maybe just like dancing barefoot on the earth or going on a hike, you know what I mean?
I think a lot of it is there's different factors. It's also what I take into account while I work with people or you know, like work with clients who are working with people is, you know, this is where you get to know someone and talk to them about like, what's going on, where are you at? Like, are you well supported, well resourced within yourself? First and foremost, you know, if someone's suicidal already, there are certain medicines that could help and then certain medicines that might actually push them to kill themselves, you know. And so that's where I always watch this. Because the media, the, you know, the media, which by the way, I'm going to remind everybody, most media is just clickbait, right? Like, oh, yeah, remember that everybody's just trying to make money and get your clicks. So, you know, the media like hypes things up the Mass media would be like, oh, mushrooms cure depression. And, you know, they help. And what they don't talk about is like, well, in order to really heal, you have to get to the root of it, which is actually going to amplify whatever it is that's causing the problem in the first place, which is great, because this is the depths of what we would call shadow work. Right.
But I think very.
A lot of people in this society are afraid of, like, really feeling those feelings. Like, oh, wow, that's really hard. I have to go in and feel like, you know, the abuse, the trauma, the rape, the, you know, what my father did to me, what my mother did to me. You know, it's like things that are just really uncomfortable to feel, but that's the only. That's the only way to go in and really do the transmutation into what we would call, like, the liberation.
So that's something psychedelics do. And, you know, not everybody's ready for it. I mean, I just spent.
When I was doing this iboga journey, which was.
It was like, one of the hardest things I've ever done, one of the most amazing things I've ever done. It showed me some trauma that I've gone into, like, a million times. Like, I was like, oh, I have to see this again.
Like, it's just so uncomfortable. And it showed it to me in, like, so much more detail than I've ever had to see it. And I was like, like, it's just. It's gross. It's upsetting.
It's awful. It's like, I. I've seen it for, you know, most of my life since I first heard about it. And I was like, here I am again. Like, for some reason, this medicine really wants me to, like, do this work again. And I'm like, okay, I'm here for it. But, you know, I think a lot of people would have just been like, oh, I don't want to look at that. I mean, it showed me some things were just so fucking dark. And I was like, you know, ayahuasca has done that to me. For you, I'm everything. Like, they've all done this. And I'm like, ah, it's so dark, I can't even look at that. But I've learned to just go into it. Like, oh, okay, you want me to see some dark destruction again?
Okay, there's a reason why, like, it's so upsetting and uncomfortable, but, like, okay, there's some reason why you know, that's, like, the shadow work that I need to go and, like, really feel this and be with it. And this is the, you know, this is kind of like the transmutation of the. The grief, you know, and the. The sadness and the trauma.
So I think that's where if people, like, I think humanity needs to do this kind of work on some level. I think on some level, that is what's already happening in the collective. It's like we're in a gigantic shadow process.
And, you know, it's. It's hard for a lot of people to look at. And I think that's why there's so much distraction out there, because it's so much easier to just be distracted and dissociated and checked out or, you know, drinking or shopping or glued to the social media or whatever people are doing. It's much easier than feeling the feelings of grief and sadness and trauma and death and destruction and abuse and murder, etc. So, you know, But I don't know, it's. It's a weird world. You know, I would like to think, and this is something I talked about on my summits for many years, is like, well, the reason why these plant medicines and psychedelics have grown exponentially in popularity over the years, I believe, is because they're here for this time that we're in. You know, it's like, I don't think it's an accident that it's like even certain medicines have come out of the jungles of, you know, South America and made it to, you know, I'm trying to think, like, Japan, you know, Australia, Norway, Israel. Like, I could go on and on. It's like, oh, how does this. This one medicine that only grows in one part of the world has now made it across the world right now? Like, I don't think it's just because people and shamans need to make money. It's. I think it's because humanity needs this kind of healing. So, I don't know. We'll see. But my prayer and my belief is that the psychedelics are actually going to bring us to a place of not needing the psychedelics. I mean, that's the whole point. We don't need the psychedelics. It's all available to us. We can have these psychedelic experiences all the time.
You can communicate with spirits everywhere at any time and, like, really receive the same thing you get from, you know, working with a psychedelic mushroom.
Are most people tapped in and tuned in at that level? No, that's part of the problem. So I think, I do believe that we're gonna get there more. And I, I know more and more people are like already getting there, but that's kind of my hope is that. And I do believe with the change and the energies and the astrology and the, the. The direction that the universe, the Gaia and like our, you know, our whole system is going in, I do believe it's going to get to that point where. I mean, we'll see. Hopefully it's in our lifetime. But we probably won't need any of these tools, you know, we'll see. I mean, who knows? Consciousness, we don't know what's going to happen. But I think a lot of people have seen, I've seen things change. I think a lot of people have seen things change and it's not going to go backwards. So we'll see. Exciting time.
[00:31:31] Speaker A: We shall see.
Yeah, it's definitely exciting and interesting times that we're crazy.
I would say it's like we don't do this work for nothing. We see these things, we understand these things about ourself and how the world could be for a reason. It's not like we're just doing this just because, you know, it's not just cope. It's not just like over.
It's not just being over idealistic. It's actually the truth. Like we see these things in the psychedelic journeys or in meditation, whatever it is, because we know that that is a very.
It's a potential that is very possible, man. It's like our birthright. Like we know how wrong it is to live the way that we're living. So there's no other way but to usher it in. And I think that's what we're all feeling at least people that are on this path right now is we're like, there's no choice but to usher in this new reality, you know, this, this new earth. Right? That's the word that people throw around a lot. But it's not just us trying for no reason. That's what I'm saying here. It's like we kind of. We know what's happening here. We know how human beings could truly live. Yeah, right.
[00:32:46] Speaker B: Yes. Yeah.
[00:32:48] Speaker A: So that's why I think it's an inevitability, because it's like it's our birthright. Right? Our birthright isn't to live in the darkness that we're living in now. Quite contrary to popular belief. Like people think the default is shitty world, but no, we see that the default is actually a beautiful world made of love. And you know, it's just A heaven, essentially.
[00:33:10] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:33:11] Speaker A: So it's not like we're doing anything crazy. We're actually just coming back to normaly. That's why I also believe in it too. It's like you're not, we're not doing anything really grandiose. We're just coming back into who we are. Getting rid of the distortion of Kali Yuga and working with that, you know?
[00:33:26] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:33:28] Speaker A: People may think we're like hippies talking like that. It's like, oh, these crazy people. No, you're the crazy ones.
[00:33:33] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:33:33] Speaker A: You don't see it.
[00:33:36] Speaker B: You know, it's also, it's a choice, you know, that's, that's. I mean, it's really interesting.
Forgot if it was something I was reading the other week, but it was. And I do believe this. I've talked to my, some of my teachers about it where I believe, you know, yes, the Earth is going to do whatever it wants to do. Replacement, regardless. The, the astrology. We cannot change. It is what it is. Even if you don't believe in it. I, I always laugh. I'm like, don't believe in it. It doesn't matter because it's, it's going to do whatever it does. You know, there's, there's energetics at play that are so far beyond any human control. Even though humans love this idea that we can control the Earth, that we can control the, the world and the way the planet is changing, we're not going to be able to, you know, so that has its own agenda. Guy is going through her own awakening process, her own purging process, and it's going to just happen whether we like it or not. And we can make stories and we can try to make sense out of what's happening. You know, even the climate, which, you know, I don't like to get into arguments over this. We don't actually know the truth of anything. Right. Like, that's the one thing I admit for myself and I think, I pray that everybody can just admit it. Like we, we have these people that we call scientists that have these tools that do research, etc. And we actually don't know really what's happening. We just come up with theories that make sense and you know, we do know what's destroying the planet. And there's also something so much bigger at play. And I was, I was just in Costa Rica and I was hanging out with my friend and I mentioned something about the weather and she's like, yeah, this is how it's. She's been living there like almost 30 years. And she's like, yeah, it changed. This way, this way, this way, this way, this way, this way. And I'm like, are you concerned? And she's like, no. Like, she's like, the Earth and this world, the environment is going to do whatever it wants to do.
We can try to like, you know, do weather modification, we can try to 3D print glaciers. I mean, we can try all these like, man made, you know, ways of trying to like, control, but it's, it's just not gonna work. So there's a certain level of like, the, the new Earth is gonna do whatever it's gonna do, right? And, and then there's this human, like, you know, it's like, okay, we're in the Kali Yuga and we could just be like, oh my God, sucks, this sucks. And there's a belief that we've already made it through and things are now on the rise. I don't know, who knows, but how much of this is our collective consciousness actually creating?
The war, the destruction, the disease, the poverty, the, you know, inequality, et cetera, the things that everybody complains about.
On some level, I believe, like, we're all creating this, you know, it's like. And which also means we can create a completely different world too.
Like, if everyone chose to focus on the new Earth that we're creating, like you said, like our birthright, you know, peace and love and that it is possible and we all have to, you know, choose to be on the same page about the world that we're creating. But why is it then there's, you know, there's 8 billion people on Earth and, you know, like, we're in this together and how do we get everybody, like, to agree and try to choose a different way? I don't know. You know, it seems downright impossible in this incarnation, but maybe that's because it needs to happen. Maybe we need to do some level of like, our own, like, cleansing and purification process that is destruction through our own consciousness. I don't know. I mean, these are just theories.
I mean, if we believe that everything is mine, you know, on some level it is, you know, it's like it's all consciousness. And we have, it's like if we want to get into like God and what is God and what is, you know, this greater, this greater power and like, well, if we are God, then we have the full control that we actually seek. But we just can't all be on the same page, it seems. But hopefully there is the shift with, you know, the Shifting energies and the consciousness and hopefully the Kali Yuga that's supposedly over as of last March, whatever, all over.
You know, transitional period.
Maybe we will, maybe we'll see a different world. I mean, I tend to be an optimist because I've seen a different world.
Just year after year after year. It's like, oh, okay, like, well, I see it all around me. I see it in my community, I see it with friends. I see it here and here and here. So why not on a global level?
I don't know.
[00:38:20] Speaker A: Yeah, I feel you.
[00:38:22] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:38:23] Speaker A: But I believe, not trying to be a doomer here, but I believe it will take some sort of drastic event, maybe a cataclysm to wake people up, to get us out of the, you know, hypnotized state that we're in.
[00:38:37] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of talk of that. Right? Like cataclysm. I don't know.
[00:38:42] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Because you know, you said, what's it going to take? I mean, I think you'd have to put psilocybin in the water supply. You know, like people aren't going to do it on the regular. It's not just going to happen.
So something will have to happen. That is according to the guy in mind, that will wake us up. And it might look on a surface level very nasty. It might look very tumultuous. But ultimately I think it will pave the way towards Satyuga.
[00:39:10] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:39:11] Speaker A: And yeah, just saying I think that's probably going to have to happen. If not, then we're just going to keep suffering and keep doing that, this. But yeah, in one way or the other it's going to happen. But it might be a little messy. I think we're seeing that now actually.
[00:39:24] Speaker B: It's already pretty messy. Yeah, I mean it's interesting because I was, I was just in Egypt a few months ago and you know, looking at these just incredible, sacred, you know, ancient, like the most mind blowing place I've ever been. I've been to a lot of places and it's like there is humanity that. The story of humanity and the Earth written, you know, in these hieroglyphs on ceilings that are like 50ft high in like perfect shape. After 5,000 years, I mean it's wild. Potentially 10,000 they say.
And you know, there was this like, oh, here's the story of, you know, the shifting of the ages and potential cataclysmic events. But you know, there was the argument over like, well, you know, it's all, it's maybe it's just symbolic, you know, it's like the cataclysmic event is still.
It's still like leaving everything to an external, you know, like this external force. Instead of knowing that everything is actually in our control on some level, like, meaning we are the consciousness that's creating.
So if we all wait for like. Because I've said it too, where I'm like, oh, I kind of hope there's just some big event that shifts everything.
It's kind of like the same people that are saying, well, we hope Jesus comes and saves us. We hope that there'll be a leader. We hope that we get a new president.
You know, it's like everything, everybody's putting everything outside of ourselves, right? Yeah, but we have the mind, we have God. Like, if we all believe that we are God, which I know not everybody believes that, but if we know that, like in our bones, that we have the potential, like if all 8 billion people could actually agree on, like, here's how we want to live, here's how we want the Earth to be, we would actually shift the whole consciousness.
So it is actually in our power, you know, like, forget, like, I don't even like to say, like, it's in our control because nothing's in our control, but it is in our sovereign power.
And so there is kind of this dance between like, hoping there's this outside force that changes things. And yeah, I've talked about this too, and I think a lot of people say like, oh, I guess maybe we need to self describe destruct.
And you know, I, I'm kind of okay with that too. I'm like, ah, maybe we do need to self destruct first. Maybe we do need to like, literally, you know, run ourselves into extinction, you know, which is fine. The Earth will still be here without us.
You know, we're just humans. We're not like the Earth. We're like a being of many living on this planet. But the Earth is, you know, it's like it's her Earth. Right? Right.
So I don't know. I mean, part of me hopes there is some big event. But then, you know, it's like the. And then this is what I was shown in Egypt, is that it's. You know, the stories written on every wall of these temples in Egypt is all about having the sovereign power inside of us. The nothing. It's. It's not outside, it's inside. It's. It's like we all have the ability. I mean, they created the pyramids from, you know, there's no proof of this, but we all know it wasn't made by people chiseling things in a perfect order and, like, stacking them on top with their hands.
[00:42:36] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:42:37] Speaker B: So if we're able to create pyramids with. With sound, with light, with mine, with water, with energy, with prayer, with, you know, whatever it is, then why can't we create a whole new world? You know, I don't know.
These are just me exploring, you know, theory, but who knows what's going to happen?
And I love that we all. I mean, I just spent a podcast interview last week with my friend, like, doing the same thing where we're like, oh, I wonder if it's this or this or this. And it's like, we'll never know until it happens, right?
[00:43:09] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. That's part of it. We can talk about it and entertain the ideas all we want, but really, it's a giant mystery that we are in and of.
I revere it. I revere the mystery. But I think moral of the story is being on the path imbues faith in the mystery. Like, there's some sort of faith. If there is a cataclysm, if there is an asteroid, nuclear war, whatever it is, there's still a sense of faith that it's going to be all right, you know, that will make it through or Earth will make it through. There is that faith imbued in everything. Even the shittiest moments, even the shittiest circumstances that could happen, that, personally speaking, never leaves me. Maybe you can speak to that, too. Like, no matter what happens in my life, and trust me, happens in my life.
[00:43:56] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:43:56] Speaker A: Without getting into it, stuff happens. There's still always. No matter what. I'm like, okay, well, this is for a reason. I just need to surrender to it. Whatever this is for. Maybe I'll see it in the future.
It kind of sucks now, but I know for a fact this is for some kind of reason. So surrender.
Right?
[00:44:14] Speaker B: If everybody could just learn that lesson. I mean, the truth is, we're all gonna die. You know, there's. There's that, right? There's like.
[00:44:23] Speaker A: There's that one.
[00:44:24] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's just funny because even during COVID I was like, wow, it's really interesting to watch how humanity in general, it's. It's like there's. There's books written on this, and it's like at the root of a lot of it is our fear of death, right? It's like this fear of death. The fear. Fear of the unknown. Because the. It's. It's the mind. The mind wants control. The mind wants to make sense. The mind makes stories. The mind, you know, it's like, it's the great mystery. And it's scary because we're like, we want to know.
So if we just first accept that, right. It's like, okay, well, we don't know what's going to happen. All we can do is have faith, pray, surrender. I mean, I personally think that's the only way. I mean, you know, if, if again, if all of humanity could really just believe in some higher power and surrender to what is, you know, not to be complacent, but to be like, okay, I have to trust in what's happening and, you know, know that there's a larger story at play here.
[00:45:29] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:45:30] Speaker B: And that's it. I mean, that's. Honestly, that's kind of what keeps me going. I think a lot of people on this path, that's like. I mean, this is where I start to question, like, how do people who don't have a spiritual practice, like, not feel awful all the time living as a human on Earth? Because if I didn't have my practices or a spiritual path or a path of prayer and connection in the divine, like, I would be upset and miserable and depressed and filled with grief and. Yeah, like, I don't know if I'd want to live.
But because I have that, you know, I have so much surrender and faith and trust that I'm like, I actually feel like nothing can truly touch me.
So that's where, you know, and I do believe it's like, okay, well, more and more people are having some kind of awakening and coming into some form of a spiritual path and realizing, like, wow, there is more to this, you know, And I just. That's all I can do is pray that more and more people awaken.
Because I think it's the only way, you know, I.
I don't know. I mean, I really hope there's not a day where things are so insane that there's just mass suicides or there's mass chaos or there's mass, you know, like, if there's like a major, you know, they call it the meta crisis. Like, if everything hits at once, which feels like it is, you know, if people want to look that up and not to be fearful, but just to understand, like, we're at a point where it's like, it's not just political, it's not just war, it's. It's everything. It's the finances, the healthcare system, it's the ecology, the Environment, you know, now AI and technology and, you know, it is kind of all feeling like it's coming to this culmination of like, everything amplifying and kind of like potentially disrupting all at once.
I don't know. I mean, I've seen this. I. I've actually done a whole podcast about it. I've seen visions of this for a long time now.
But, you know, those are just visions. I don't know if they're real or not, and I pray that they're not because it's upsetting. You know, it's like I don't really feel like seeing the whole world go into some kind of major crash or, you know, economic collapse or, you know, technological whatever crisis, whatever we want to call. I don't even know what it's called when it's like, what happens when AI takes over and like, what the fuck, you know, but we're kind of seeing that. It's like every system we know is like, not really working very well, except maybe some people, maybe some indigenous cultures on planet Earth get it kind of right, you know, and even they're suffering, you know, so it's like, I don't know.
But there's something larger at play here, hopefully. And the only way I believe that we can make it through is with prayer and with some connection and we can call prayer anything, you know, like, we don't have to call it like sitting and praying, but like some depth of, like, knowing that there is a higher power, that there's something bigger and to just really get into that path of surrender. Because it's. It's actually the path of liberation, you know, on some level, it's. That is the path.
It's just hard. It's. It's hard. It takes dedication and our minds are designed to want to make sense and want to try to control and, you know, our only control is, like, to choose.
Like, I'm gonna choose to be happy even. Like, it's like I'm gonna choose to dance and sing even though I'm watching the world self destruct, you know, I'm gonna choose to be in community and care for the earth and give prayers and thanks and gratitude and just like, you know, trust. Even though this is fucking hard, you know, and it's. Yeah, like, life is. I. I said to a friend yesterday, I was like, yeah, one of my friends was like, saying, like, I'm really going through this and I'm going through that, which I do too. We all do. And I. I was like, I don't know anyone who's not going through something.
Do I? I mean, literally. And if there is, like, if someone's like, I'm fine, everything's great, like, I feel like nothing can touch me. But, yeah, of course there's shit going on. But anyone who's like, I'm okay, everything's great. I'm like, they must be on a lot of something numbing, you know, like some numbing agent of sorts, because everyone's going through something because we're all in this together, you know?
[00:50:04] Speaker A: Exactly. We're all fighting our own battle.
[00:50:06] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:50:08] Speaker A: Yeah.
Well spoken.
[00:50:12] Speaker B: Fun times.
[00:50:14] Speaker A: Fun times.
Yeah. You said surrender, faith, trust.
I like to say devotion as well. Like you devote yourself to something other than yourself.
[00:50:23] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:50:24] Speaker A: Right.
[00:50:25] Speaker B: Devotion is quite huge. Yes.
[00:50:28] Speaker A: Yeah.
That's the only way. There's no other way. The way is the only way.
Yeah.
Well, hey, Beth, I know you got to take off, so I think we can probably start to wrap it up.
Do you have anything else you want to say before we do, though?
[00:50:44] Speaker B: No. This has been fun.
You know, maybe we can do another podcast on, like, the crazy. I want to get into, like, entities and aliens and other life forms and all that, because that's like. That's like, I never get to talk to people about it because no one ever asked me, but I'm like, oh, yeah, your podcast is in the. Into the crazy, weird shit. Let's do it. But that's like a whole other 50 minute podcast.
[00:51:10] Speaker A: That's a whole other three hour podcast.
[00:51:11] Speaker B: I know, right? I had a friend earlier today talk to me about. She left me a message about an experience with an entity.
And it sounds like she hasn't had a lot of those experiences. And I was like, oh, yeah, I love talking about this stuff because it's, you know, there's. There's so many different theories and approaches and ways of seeing it, and I find it really fascinating. And, you know, I've had teachers help me be able to make some sense out of these kind of approaches, but which I think, you know, people love to, like, again, like, talk up, like, like, oh, yeah, there's a dark. These dark forces and la, la, la. But then there's an. Again, there's another perspective. There's other ways of choosing to look at things. And none of us know what's true. We only can know what's true for ourselves. And what actually, like, oh, well, okay. That practice seemed to make me feel better. Okay, it doesn't matter. Entity or no entity, I feel better, you know, but we'll do another podcast and all that.
[00:52:13] Speaker A: Part two coming soon.
That's part of the mystery of the times, is we're noticing that we're not at the top of the totem pole, that there might be some other way, more powerful beings with us that have always been with us potentially. But, yeah, we'll leave that for part two.
Thank you, Beth, for joining me today. This was an awesome conversation.
[00:52:32] Speaker B: Thanks for having me.
[00:52:33] Speaker A: Yeah, for sure.
Wish you all the best. Until we meet again.
[00:52:38] Speaker B: Thank you.
[00:52:39] Speaker A: Peace and love. Goodbye, everybody.
[00:52:41] Speaker B: Bye.
