The Power of the Tao with San Qing

[00:00:00] Speaker A: I just have to say this Sanjing. I always am excited to speak to you because this is more than just a conversation. I know to anybody watching, it may just seem like two dudes chopping it up, just having a good time. But what we do here, and hopefully it translates through the screen. Maybe it does. I think it does. But what we do here is something that goes beyond words. There is a transmission that exists in the words that we play with. And I'm excited to do that with you. And I don't get that really from anybody else. There's some people where I touch upon that essence. I feel it in their voice. But with me and you, as we spoke about before we started recording, me and you have this just effortless flow, and it's like a play, you know, it's like we're playing some kind of game. And it's an honor to play the game with you. [00:00:49] Speaker B: Sanjay, our brother. The love is boundless for you. You are my heart. You are my love. You are my reflection. And that's when people get real. That charge that you and I just experience is evidence alone. And any audience or people participating and experiencing this conversation will feel it. And that's really part of surrender, is recognizing that and not holding back, as if you're anticipating judgment or impact or aversion that cannot cope with the truth, the absolute truth, which is a flow. The flow, baby. [00:01:35] Speaker A: That's it. I love how you said the truth and then you got a notification. The truth. [00:01:40] Speaker B: My apology. [00:01:44] Speaker A: That was great. I think that was perfect. Oh, man. How would you describe this essence that goes beyond words that we seem to play with in conversation that charges us up, you know, what is this? Because I. Like I said, I haven't experienced this really with anybody else. And it seems like you have this energy. Where does this come from? And how would you explain this to somebody that doesn't know any better? You know, so we don't look like two crazy guys on here. [00:02:16] Speaker B: Well, you know, I mean, I think part of the path of. Of self recognition, self realization, is wanting to. To look deeper and to go beneath the shallow depth of the skin and find that true essence, that absolute holy stream, which is creation, completion, rebirth. It's the evolution of man returning to the ether as that holy stream. That's when the truth arrives. And you and I have that natural order of alchemy that just percolates and we dance with it and we feel into it as this is a true nature of embodiment. This is when we get down with a get down and. And you can, you can feel beyond anything that's spoken or intellectualized. It's an embodiment that is visceral, somatic, kinesthetic. It's owned by the body. That's the embodiment aspect that's so beautiful about the humanness. This ability to take the body and use it as the lightning rod, the tuning fork, the grounding that's necessary for you to evoke this resonance of immortality, that truth that Shangon we call within doubt. [00:03:41] Speaker A: Shangon? [00:03:42] Speaker B: Yeah, spirit power, where attention and intention meet. And that's when you are truly actualized. Immortality crystallized in a material. [00:03:55] Speaker A: Yeah, man, that seems like the essence of it, right? Is just tuning ourselves to this frequency, to this wavelength. It's just really getting out of our own way too. It's so simple. It's very simple to me. This is my personal practice, is spending time with others that are on this wavelength. It's like we utilize our voice to tune. That's the thing. I mean, I think that's also the basis of mantra. [00:04:25] Speaker B: All right? [00:04:26] Speaker A: It's the basis of kirtan is we use our voices to tune the body in that way to this wavelength, to the frequency, to the dao, to the truth, to match the intention in attention. I think it's that simple. It's the power of the voice, right? [00:04:46] Speaker B: Well, you garner that and you gather that juice because it's more of yourself. As you continue to gather and meet yourself at this very moment, it becomes actualized and it bleeds into the biology. And so now you're looking at things that are more longevity based, that would not necessarily hold the test of time or even endure the test of time, because everything is perishable, everything is impermanent, everything is transitory. And when you meet yourself and that becomes whole, then the embodiment, the crystallization of that heaven on earth becomes apparent through your. Your vehicle. You are the tuning fork. The sound, the voice becomes so much sweeter. I imagine if you spent some time just singing, which this happens to me quite often. It's like I had a somewhat sweeter voice when I was a child. And as you continue the process of remembering, the voice just reappears and it has this exquisite tone and nectar to it. A taste of that energy that is being emanated, imbued into this space. There's nothing like it. And that's why when we speak, both of us are just oscillating and vibrating and it's like the charge goes through the body and it's like, yeah, Amen to that, brother. We are here. We have arrived. [00:06:26] Speaker A: Amen. The word became flesh. I hear somebody's resonance. I hear something. I hear it in your voice. I hear in their voice that intention. I hear the truth, really. And it's not necessarily the words. It's the frequency, it's the tone. It's almost like when you're hearing somebody sing, actually singing, you can tell right away if they know how to sing. Right. Are they. Are they in key? You know, are they off pitch? A little bit. You can tell right away. So I think in terms of being tuned into the dao, you can hear that from others as well. I can hear when somebody's just. There's something's off in their voice and they're not. They're not authentic, I guess you could say, in their understanding based upon just the tonality in their voice. I've heard only one other person say that they're capable of doing that, where they hear truth in somebody's voice just by the tone of their voice. So it's. It's a rare skill, but I think other people also can attest to that and understand what I'm saying. Do you know what I'm saying? [00:07:39] Speaker B: Oh, absolutely. You're bringing ancestry and lineage that has expanded over thousands of lifetimes. And you're living and breathing proof of heaven on earth. Your emanation, immortality, comes through through just being. And so that condition of the humanist, as you navigate through the labyrinth of the finite mind and come out the other end in a state of completion, which is wholeness, holiness, you're living and breathing that, brother with effortless. I mean, this is what we call wu wei. It's like you ignite the primordial self, the wu ji, which within Taoism is whole. And you are living, breathing, heaven on earth holy stream right now. And that's the effortless action, effortless effort that so many people attempt to garner this. This mystical myth, yet they haven't actualized themselves. And it's. It's about remembering and recognizing that. And you, with zero effort, have found yourself at such an incredible timeline in this realm. Like, you know, people need to make real sense of the biology because you're. You're so rich, you're so supple. Either people are either too soft or too hard. They can't merge the two. That perfect symbiosis, which is from one stream. [00:09:29] Speaker A: Yeah, I like that. Well, I appreciate those words, my man. Yeah, I'm the. I'm the Goldilocks. Somewhere in between. Too soft and too Hard. It's because I'm a Libra man. I'm all about the balance, you know. [00:09:43] Speaker B: Well, you know, it takes so much of a divesting and sacrifice to truly recognize, realize and actualize self. Because it's just all broken, you know, script or propaganda that people pump into what they consider a spiritual path. And they talk the talk, but they don't walk the walk where everything you do and say comes straight back to that same node point. It requires no participation of self. [00:10:28] Speaker A: Well, I think that's the essence, right, is sacrifice. I think in order to be able to tap in to the Wu Wei is sacrificing who you thought you were. So sacrificing the idea of how you're supposed to be. All the conditionings from birth, pretty much from maybe even previous lives, if you want to go that deep. It's sacrificing that in order to tune yourself into the now. And that's not easy. That's the work. I mean, that's literally like the whole spiritual path is deconditioning oneself from how somebody thinks you should be, how the ego mind thinks you should be. Just any kind of narrative, any kind of conception of you should be this way because that's going to get in the way, no pun intended, and you're not going to be able to tap into this flow. So the whole name of the game is sacrifice. Jesus showed us that. Right. And I don't think it's necessarily like being physically sacrificed, but metaphorically we all have to sacrifice something. And it's the small self. It's the idea of who you thought you were in order to come into really who you are. Which is who you are is everything. In everybody. You are God, God in drag, but you won't know you're God in drag, in tower. You give up the idea of your demigodness, I guess you could say, like your false sense of godliness that we've been conditioned into since birth. Yeah, Sacrifice man. It's the name of the game. [00:12:17] Speaker B: Well, you know, the human beings are far too comfortable, especially now. I mean. I mean, you can look at something as simple as just my children's version of an arcade machine, as opposed to what I used to play back in the 70s and 80s. Different. You know, there was a level of application that had to be met. And if you didn't learn to apply yourself to whatever level that that arcade machine asked of you, you would lose your life, you would lose your quarter, and you would lose your game. And then if you wanted to resume that you would have to pay again and you'd have to start from the beginning. So there's a level of development that has to in that type of conditioning. That's why the conditioning with the alchemy of Taoism is so powerful today. My children are used to infinite lives. Well, why is that? I mean, we understand the power of infinite abilities, immortality. But in essence, it breeds and grows and festers this zero need to apply yourself. Zero need to meet that moment and feel into what your potential is. So you just go, oh, well, you know, society has told me that I can always continue to re up. I'll always have an option that it doesn't. It doesn't require me to participate from a level of actualization. I'll. I'll just be on cruise control. This is where most people today feel like one day blends into another. Before you know it, where did the week go? Where did the month go? Where did the year go? Because they're being hypnotized into this mass cult minion like behavior that doesn't help them help themselves. Does that make sense? [00:14:20] Speaker A: 100%, yeah. We're being hypnotized into collective distraction, which leads to nihilism, cynicism, apathy, lack of meaning, lack of purpose, just lack of vigor. It's just like bleak. You know, that's the conditioning, that's that we get since birth is that we're like just a cog in the system, another brick in the wall. And I don't know, I just feel like completely opposite. That's the thing is like once you wake up, you feel just complete, [00:15:04] Speaker B: like [00:15:04] Speaker A: the world doesn't make any sense anymore. Like how everybody lives, how I used to live. It just doesn't compute, you know? [00:15:12] Speaker B: Well, that's interesting. When you say how you used to live. How did you used to live? What makes this moment different than what you think? [00:15:22] Speaker A: That's a good question. I would say it would be what I lived for, right? So like, when I wake up in the morning and say, what am I, what am I really living for here? What am I doing? And it usually just went as far as a paycheck or trying to get laid or both. And that was. That was the top. That was the top of what it meant to be a human being, right? And I think that's the case for most of us. So that is very shallow, obviously. So that leads to apathy, that leads to all the cynicism and nihilism that I spoke on. But now when I wake up in the morning, it's a little bit deeper. Right. I feel as though my purpose here. Well, I mean, it varies. It depends on the day, but it's a little more than just surviving. We could say it's a little more than just procreating. Right. It's a little more than just what the biology yields for us. There's a much deeper meaning to being alive that I'm still unveiling every day that goes by. But I do know for sure it's not as shallow as it used to be. Yeah, I'll keep it at that. [00:16:38] Speaker B: Well, that's what we refer to as meeting your maker. You, as you referred to it. Carpentium sees that moment, and actually, I mean, there's the convergence of past, present, and futures is how things become actualized. You know, any miracles I've ever witnessed happen in a fraction of a second, as I am the Witness, that's how it works. You know, even if I was participatory or recipient, the ignition is already happened before the spoken word, before the thought processes, before the engagement. It becomes actualized because your resonance, what you have cultivated, your alchemy, precedes what is considered an avatar, a material form. And that is what you have basically remembered in this lifetime, is that potency. And that precedes you. Like the old expression, you. Your reputation precedes you. Your resonance precedes you in every event, place, person, or thing. It's shown through the inaction and the fluidity that people just. I can't explain it, but when I. When I talk to Gary, I just. I feel very relaxed. I feel very in tune. I feel very at home. And that. You can't buy that. You can't manipulate it. You can't fabricate it. It's an embodiment of that holiness. [00:18:29] Speaker A: Thank you, man. Yeah, It's a solid analysis. I don't even think of it like that because if I did think of it like that, I guess it wouldn't be able to resonate at that level. Yeah. Going more so into, you know, that what do I live for when I wake up in the morning? It's actually, as you said, it precedes me. It's not even like. It's not even like, I gotta do this. I gotta do this because of this. I gotta be here. I gotta talk to this person. Obviously, all that stuff goes on, right? We still have the mind stuff, but it's like there's this extra layer now that's behind the scenes that is in action, as you said, that is completely still amidst all the action. That is just sitting in the lotus posture, just watching it all go by. And I think that's the superpower that's the true endowment is being able to be in the world and not of it. Simply still watching it all go by. All the stuff of the drama of Gary's life, just watch that all go by, not negating any of it, that's for sure. But just being able to have that extra layer before the path, before I was on this wavelength, there wasn't that extra layer. I was caught in the phenomena. And when you get caught in the phenomena, you suffer. So yeah, that's a, that's, that's a good analysis, man. And it is power, right? Like I feel this just power, true power beyond the power of the colloquial sense of power, of being able to dictate the will of others. Not that kind of power. I don't even know if power is the correct term because we associate power with, as I said, dictating the will of others, having influence over others. It's not that kind of power, man. It's. I feel power, I feel empowered. But it's not the same kind of humanly power. Right. You know, that's all I got to say. I don't know. Do you have anything to bounce off? [00:20:32] Speaker B: Well, yeah, I mean, humans can't be trusted. They're diabolical, they're deceptive, they're manipulative. Their purpose when impeded with some type of corrupt virus, which is most people's ego or personality that thinks they're greater than the sum of all the parts which is whole has a greater understanding then God Dao Buddha universe. And so of course you become crafty, you become shifty, shady. You want to manipulate things to an agenda that is self serving instead of that service and selflessness that we talk of, that is an arrival that comes when you meet yourself. And through a conditioned state you absorbed more and more of yourself as you recognize the fragmented, exogenous personality that was feeding from something that was not whole. Because you are whole. It comes from your center. And so the second you recognize that, it's like, okay, these things were far more material and impermanent. It's time to throw them back in the wood chipper and now return to self through this experience. And when you wake up, it's as exciting or like the same lyrics from one of my favorite songs from Pod. Every day is a new day. I'm grateful for every breath I take. Don't take things for granted. I mean, you can't get any more holy than that. And that guy became a holy roller and quite deeply into the church. The lead singer of pod, which is. I mean, it's understandable. I think it was a Christian band throughout all the material they created back in the 90s. I don't even know whether you even know who that band is, but, you know, I don't. Check it. Check them out. You know, go. Oh, it's got some vibe to it. You know, it works. [00:22:40] Speaker A: Okay. [00:22:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:42] Speaker A: Cool. Yeah. Well, I think that's what it comes down to. As you described, the source of the power is different. So the power of the world, of the material world, is a different source than the power of the Dao. That's why I say it should be a different word. But we're using the same word here in English. The source of the power of the world. It is. It's almost like you're. You're working against the world in some way. It's like a constant inertia, right? It's a constant. Just forcing. It's very masculine. It's like very. Like. You gotta, like, you know, like, buck up. I see that kind of power as just. Well, I mean, it doesn't go that far. Inevitably, all that power falls away. Ask all the rulers of the world that wanted that kind of power. They don't have that power anymore. What is that? You know that Ozymandias quote? It's like. Hold on, let me flick it up real quick. All right. I think it. Yeah, this is it. I met a traveler from an antique land who said, two vast and trunkless legs of stone Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand half sunk a shattered visage lies whose frown and wrinkled lip in sneer of cold command Tell that its sculptor well those passions read which yet survive stamped on this lifeless things. So it's a. You know, a traveler found this stone in the desert of a time long before. Of a king long before the hand that mocked them and the heart that fed. And on the pedestal these words appear. My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings. Look on at my works, ye mighty in despair. Nothing beside remains Round the decay of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare. The lone and level sands stretch far away. So point of my story is all of that power eventually just becomes ruined. Right? That power means nothing. That power is temporary. But the true power, when you tap into yourself, you tap into the dao, is boundless. It's forever, it's permanent. This is the power that transcends lifetimes. It transcends empires. This is the power that we've been tapped into since the beginning of time Sanching. And it's the power that we're tapped into right now. It's the power that transcends Ozymandias. And yes, when you do tap into that power, you feel the endless miracle. Endless miracle. It's like every. Not even just every day, every moment, every minute, I feel as though I am involved in this. Like, I get the sense, maybe you can attest to this. I get the sense of I'm involved in some very beautiful story, the greatest story of all time, right? And I'm writing it. Every moment that I go, I feel this, like, I don't know, like I see things, like serendipitous things happen to me in life, synchronicities. And I'm like, oh, that's part of the story. I come across this person, they say this thing. I'm like, oh, that's like, that's a. That's a chapter in the story, right? I feel as though I'm involved in just some very epic story. And it's not even just the story of Gary. It's the story of all of us. Do you feel that resonance? Like, do you feel like you're involved in some kind of just grand play, you know, the grand play of Leela, [00:26:10] Speaker B: as we've heard before? To be or not to be, that is the question. And as ridiculous as Shakespeare sort of fades into the shadows of history, that truly is meeting your moment when you recognize the symbiotic dance between yin and yang is really coming from one stream, and that every moment met with complete surrender and dissolve is whole. So it's like serendipitous, it's synchronistic, it's perfection manifest, as we put it within Taoism, the perfection of the diamond. You are just one more facet of something that is whole. And so that fluidity appears in everything, just as the old expression, is the glass half empty or full. I mean, we arrive at the same place. Yet perception, subjectivity must not be masked. It must be thrown back into the wood chipper. That's that part where you walk up to the edge, but can you jump the off? That's the question you ask yourself. Are you prepared to free fall? And when you do, you recognize you haven't lost anything, you've gained more of yourself. But that fear was controlling a perception that subjectivity, objectivity, no objectivity is necessary. And to acquire that is third person, first person, no person, no participation of self is required to Feel whole heaven on earth. Immortality now. And that's where you have mastered thyself without even attempting to put attention to something that has been yours for the test of time beyond time. And when we meet that, of course, everything arrives, everything returns to whole. And that's where that resonance shows itself. It's not a participation participatory event. You are already here. There's nothing to work towards. It's now. [00:28:45] Speaker A: Yeah, that's it. Man is now. [00:28:54] Speaker B: So the body will of course, it's impermanent, it's transitory, like a firework. It pops off and then it collapses back into itself. But recognize not to dismiss the beauty of this vehicle, this barometer, this tuning fork, this lightning rod, this grounding rod, that is the body. It's. It's your body centric ability to cultivate and merge what is distorted within a material state and take it to that higher emanated holy being. [00:29:36] Speaker A: Yeah, that's the alchemization, right? Because we, from this vantage point, no longer is the body a prison, it's now a temple. It's something that we play with. You could say it is, it is the servant rather than the master. So before the path, it was the master, and it kind of dictated all of the actions of the vessel. You could say, right? The wants and needs of the body dictated everything we could say. But now, once you tap into this true power, it's not negating any of it, but also at the same time, transmutating all of that and using the wants and needs of the body for further deepening into the miracle, the mysterious miracle. That's the huge alchemization, that's the transmutation. It's because one could think, right? And this is, for me, at the beginning of the path, it was all about ascendance and transcendence. And there's many different passages and even Buddhism that just talk about the grossness of the body and just seeing it as this almost like a malady, almost like a something that is a problem, right? And it is, if not used and utilized in the right way, it can be without the right insight for sure. But once one has the right insight, then it becomes the solution. The body is the solution. And it's everything. It is. It is to be honored, even though it is temporary, even though it can be kind of gross, and even though it has this animalistic instincts attached to it. It's like, how do you utilize that and turn that into gold, right? How do you turn all of the stuff of the body into something that Deepens one into oneself. So it goes from your, it's working against you. Woe is me going against the grain to utilizing all of that for your, your growth. Essentially deepening oneself into oneself. That's the alchemization. That's the crystallization right there. [00:32:05] Speaker B: Amen brother. I mean that the, the probably the fastest route to expedite thyself is through something is, is ancient and animalistic. Mammalian in its nature is like sexual energy because it's a conscious state that is instantaneous. You know, we have many practices for Dawa sex magic that bring you to a higher level of awareness. There's, there's this like detachment. There's an underpinning a. A really a mind virus to detach men from a power abundant in its giving. You will receive. So oh, you know, research has shown that if you ejaculate, it's going to shorten your life. I mean none of this is actually a thing other than more than scientific rhetoric that doesn't amount to anything. Because the truth be known, when you alchemize yourself through something as simple as self gratification or basically masturbation or having sex with someone, you are in tuning that alchemy. And if you know how to transmute things as heaven on earth, you're not, you're not, you're not exhibiting a depth of loss or contraction. You expand so you know, just like anything, you're, you're, you're repurposing that energy. There's a reason, an absolute fundamental reason why the body is designed this way. You already have all the answers, yet people are attempting to manipulate them. Where abstinence and, and all this other stuff which is, you know, really a destruction of the mind and separating you from your body as whole and giving you all these fear based tactics to further further yourself from the truth. And that's where many of these young men that I come across that want to get involved with deep levels of alchemical process have been abstaining from any sexual activity for so long. And they're actually, they're inverting themselves. Enduring an actual biological reaction where there's a certain level of stagnation that you acquire through the body where it will start to revolt. That supple center that we talk of that you exhibit, that I exhibit. We're not too soft, we're not too hard. We're just right. And that requires complete surrender. And that means that as the Dao will always remind us, the way to walk is not the way. The name that is named is not the name. Tao is both named and nameless. Understanding that you're all things are nothing at the same time. Everything is an iteration of self. So to move yourself in a direction where someone is telling you to fear your biology, that was a God given right, a Tao given right. And this is part of the human experience. There is something very fundamentally wrong. And you should take a pause, it's a red flag, and run in the other direction. [00:35:40] Speaker A: Yeah, 100% man. Our sexual energy is power. That is, if you know how to utilize your sexual energy, especially as a man. I can't speak for women. I know they have it a little bit differently. But as a man, if you know how to utilize your sexual energy and use it for creative purposes, you become a God. And that's exactly what the powers that be do not want you to know. That's why porn is so prolific. That's why sex is everywhere, because it takes us away from the utilization of your sexual energy. And you're right, it's not exactly Brahmacharya. It's not exactly 100% celibacy. It's not that at all. I used to think that. I used to think it was just like, hold it. It's gonna sound crude. Hold it in as much as you can, and then the more you hold it, the more power you get. But it's not that at all. It's about transferring that energy into the other parts of your body, into your other bindus, into your other chakras. And that might mean release. That might mean making love to a beautiful woman. You know, it's not about celibacy. Well, it's hard to generalize some people. Maybe it might be most of us, though it's definitely not. And if you know how to adequately flow with your sexual energy and utilize it correctly, you can do whatever you want in life. Life, you'll have superpowers, man. I can attest to that. I have been just very recently utilizing my sexual energy in ways that I never have before with women. And it's just like, what have I been missing out on? I literally, for the past few years. Well, I had a girlfriend a few years ago, and then I was like, you know what? I'm done with that. I'm going monk mode. I'm going celibate, man. I'm gonna listen to all the monks. Maybe they're onto something. And as. As you spoke of, that's what happened. It's almost like I was. What is that called? Repression. I was repressing that energy. I thought it Was like the more you hold it, the more power you build. No, it turns against you. The more you hold it in, especially as a young guy, the more it creates like too much fuel. It's like too much fire, right? You don't want too much fire. You want it just the perfect amount of fire that you don't lose control essentially. So point of my story is if you know how to balance on that, you know, not too soft, not too hard, not too much fire, not too little, utilize it in the correct way, preferably with a beautiful woman or man, whatever your forte is, you will be able to come a God and you'll be able to do whatever you want in life. And you'll feel this energy just flow through you just like this vibrancy. Just this like. Fire is actually a good word. I feel fire, right? I feel this like just electricity. It's like the force, man. The force flows through you. If you know how to utilize your sexual energy, that is true power. That is the true alchemization. That's where I think it all stems from, is our sexual energy. So don't ignore that. [00:38:37] Speaker B: Oh, 100. I agree 100%, brother. You know, I mean, when you in tune yourself on my journey biologically, I'm well past half a century in material development. And I can tell you right now, I. I maintain well over a thousand baseline of testosterone. And you know, the, the, the, the. To acquire that type of level, you normally most people are running h trt or something of that nature. And you know what's average, average for a man of my age would societally, if you asked a doctor, they'd be okay with the 300 to 500. [00:39:27] Speaker A: Like, wow, you're at a thousand. [00:39:31] Speaker B: I'm like, like 1100. But you know, I meet, I meet, you know, I meet the moment. I am constantly constant cultivating. I have a beautiful wife, I have incredible children. People are like, oh my goodness, he's got six children. Now I understand why now. That's not the point. The point being is you meet that moment, you are constantly merging and cultivating and that expands the longevity. Within Taoism, we're about the, the realization of heaven on earth now. Not in a future life, not in a past life, but the convergence of everything as one. And so you just become more of an instrument of divine intervention for this stagnated material distortion for others to beat themselves. You hold that resonance. That's what you're doing. And so when you do this, obtaining these type of superhuman powers are far from superhuman. They're supernatural, they're super normal. And so, you know, you acquire that. So you know, I, I also, I, I come up against time and temperature, cold and hot, evoking that power. In some ways, people will refer to the chemical process of, you know, heat shock protein, cold shock protein. I'll get into a 36 degree cold plunge for 45 minutes and sit there like it's nothing. And, but you've got to be moving all that during that period of time because the more you sit still, the more you just become, you know, with the anesthesia effect of being numbed by the temperature, you're not circulating the blood through the body to meet the temperature changes. That makes you more potent. And furthermore, I'll sit in the sauna, I'll get up to like 2:30 and sit in there for 40 minutes and redirect the energy. Because this is about meeting that moment where, you know, if my kids wake up in the morning, it's in the middle of winter and they're like, oh my goodness, it's cold outside, dad. Go out with your shirt off and meet the day, acquire that stability that is your biology. Meeting the natural order of the primordial mother, and you acquire more heaven on earth through that mergence. Does that make sense? [00:41:58] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. So what it really comes down to is we hold the charge. We have this energy within us. And are you working with it or are you working against it? If you work with it, it works for you. If you work against it, it works against you. [00:42:13] Speaker B: Oh yeah, yeah. [00:42:14] Speaker A: And there's many different practices, right? There's many different ways to work with it. 100. But it's like, realize that we are a container. We are a container of this energy of God. Okay? God lives within you. So you have to be able to utilize that energy. Do these practices send it to the right areas, the right chakras in your body, and then your body will become this instrument that plays along with the song of God that is in tune and just has higher intelligence, essentially. Right. I just feel more intelligent. I feel like more just in the zone. You could say, cultivate and curate your energy and it all takes care of itself. But people don't want to do that. Most people are lazy. Let's be honest. Most people don't got the time, quote unquote, to be able to do that type of stuff. You know, they just want to sit back, watch Netflix, play video games and essentially, as we said before, distract yourself. But if you do decide to take the plunge, no pun intended, take the cold plunge. Take into the spiritual path, you'll be able to tap into energies that you never thought were possible. Energies within yourself that will just take you to new heights and essentially just allow you to be happy. Be happy and traverse whatever comes along into our life. Like whatever comes along in the trials and tribulations of the body too. That's the thing. It's like I feel like doing these practices. I do, I do cold plunge in the sauna as well. I do many different practices, whole list to be able to utilize the energy. And not only does it invigorate myself, not only does it invigorate the instrument of Gary, but it also allows me to deal with the troubles of Gary because that doesn't go away. Obviously as the Buddha saw, we're all going to get old, sick and die. So doing these practices, harnessing one's energy also allows me to traverse the trials and tribulations of the body. You know what I'm saying? Because we can both recognize now like shit's going to happen. We're all going to, we're all going to die, suffer. I know, I don't want to get too bleak, but it allows us just handle it differently, right? It just, it's like I'm at peace no matter what. [00:44:38] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, yeah. I mean even something as simple as sustenance, you know, I, I, I, I like to take all people that I engage with. Either people that are novelists, that are just fond of Taoism, or someone that wants to walk the fiery path of self realization as a Taoist alchemist, or, or someone that wants to immerse themselves in the priesthood, whatever their path is, you, you, you. To meet yourself requires a little bit more intention. And with that attention you find it. So, you know, like eating food, you can create an anabolic, highly anti inflammatory environment if you pick the right types of foods that nourish the process and pathway. So you know, for all the, the layman or people that are not too familiar with the biology aspect, you know, there are generally two paths to energy production for any human being. It's either glucose or fat. Furthermore, ketones that most people might be familiar with listening to social media. So when you start optimizing ketones, it's anti inflammatory, it's highly anabolic and you become extremely vital. And so the energy goes up, you, you spare the foundational metabolic like thermogenesis being the muscle, you hold on to that, you drop the fat, which can have variable different effects on, on the biology in of itself and you rev up that engine and it becomes more efficient. And the healing is out of the. Just out of this world when you apply it correctly. I've been sort of applying these types of things since I was like, 9. I was fasting at 9 and 10. And then applying the nutritional part of it, which makes it so potent, and so people don't recognize how inflamed they are until they go, oh, I'm not going to use glucose right now. Let me go to, you know, ketones. And they're like, holy. Where did all my aches and pains go? How come I'm sharp as attack? Where did this mind come back? It, like, literally dropped back into this skull. And I am alert and aware of things that I wasn't aware of. I felt like I was on sleep mode for so many years. Because you're changing the energy source. Does that make sense? [00:47:30] Speaker A: Yeah. 100. I mean, that's touching upon a different type of energy, is like the literal physical energy source. I've heard a lot about ketosis. I've only done it once, maybe twice. Definitely felt the difference. But I got sucked back into the sugar. I'm not gonna lie back into the glucose. But it only makes sense right from where we come from. Biologically, evolutionarily, we didn't always have an abundance of sugar, of glucose. Our main fuel source was usually animal and animal fats for prolonged periods of time. And we were probably also naturally fasting as well. So I think our natural state is actually more inclined toward ketosis. So it only makes sense that we feel better when we put ourselves into ketosis. [00:48:13] Speaker B: Oh, it's a, like a. It's like a cannibalized state of self regulation as you sort of step over that threshold of what a certain deprivation creates, what they call autophagy, where the body consumes itself and, and repurposes inflammation. All the distorted cells in the body are recycled and repurposed, and then all of a sudden, things that are stagnated just disappear. You know, I always. I always suggest to people that they should know what it feels like to shed their body of excess fat at least once in their lifetime, if not on an annual basis, because that's where you store a lot of the toxicity. I'll have someone. You know, what comes to mind is when you master the endocrine system of a, a, a woman, you really have arrived. And that's kind of like immersing yourself with a primordial mother. Because there's so many variables that, that women go through on a cyclical 30 day basis that is so skewed that how can they possibly find, you know, homeostasis? They're under hermesis. They're like constantly in the pressure of breaking because of the chemistry that's going on in the body. And so, you know, woman 49, just had two twins. Within 10 weeks she put on 30 pounds. Within 10 weeks I had her down to just under 5% body fat with veins running through her abs. Wow, 49. And that's because you follow what's natural, the natural order, how the body is self healing. You just optimize it so you're not being distracted by the thoughts, feelings and emotions that are transitory and impermanent and really distortion and distraction. And you let the body follow its natural order. And so then that participation is out of the loop. You create a satiated state where many people you hear of in the news, you may heard of people pursuing things like Ozempic and Metformin and these other drugs that really mimic the natural order. You know, GLP1 is a hormone that you produce naturally now, but you have to. Most people I know have never acquired that hormone alchemically through a selection of sustenance that will evoke it. I'll have someone buzzing and saturated within 24 hours. And they're like, how the hell do I not desire sugar? What the is going on here? Because when you meet what is the quota the body doesn't need anymore. It doesn't matter how hard you want to contort it. I just want a chocolate bar or something. The body says no, I am full. I have met my quarter. Fat and protein satiates everything. And it's crazy how fast that happens, man. I mean it's, it's now. And so people acquire that hormone that's costing people thousands of dollars, they can evoke it in themselves just by following simple planning. [00:51:34] Speaker A: Well spoken man. That's the whole basis of the spiritual path. And I think that's the basis of this conversation is coming back into the natural order. Whether it is through breath work, through sexual transmutation, through your diet, whatever modality it is. Those modalities are part of the natural order of what it means to be human that I think we've lost along the way. Through years and years of conditioning, years and years of dogma, we separated ourselves from the natural way, the natural laws of just living a good life. And spirituality isn't anything grandiose. It shouldn't even be called spirituality. It's just coming back home to really who and what we are. Like how we're supposed to conduct ourselves. And it's. You could say it is. It is a long list, you know, in terms of, like, the modalities, stuff that we have to change. But you're not going against the grain. You're only falling more into the natural essence of being human. Because I think one may think that doesn't know any better, but I imagine people listening, they know better. But say, for instance, someone doesn't know any better, they might think that following the path, everything that we've talked about for the last hour is a chore. Like, dude, I got stuff to do, right? I got a job. I got six kids. What do you mean? I gotta, you know, eat a ketogenic diet. What do you mean? I have to change. I gotta do cold plunts. What do you mean? I have to what? What do you mean? I have to change my lifestyle, right? Essentially, that's what it is. Like, what do you mean, man? I don't have any time for that. But it's not arduous. I think I want to emphasize that the whole spiritual path isn't like an arduous thing. Coming back into the natural order is actually effortless. Again, as we spoke, there's nothing that you do on the path that is against what you really want to do. Okay. You know what I mean by that? So everything that we're talking about now in terms of the modalities is actually more toward a flow state. All this stuff just is part of your being. You just forgot it was part of your being. Right? Everybody's spiritual. I think there's people in my life definitely like people in my life that aren't on the spiritual path that probably say, oh, that's Gary. That's Gary's stuff. He's the spiritual guy. He does the sensory deprivation tanks. He does the sexual tantra practices. He does the psychedelics. That's his thing. I watch baseball. You know, I'm into Sex in the City. I'm into whatever it is, do people. Sex in the City isn't even on anymore. Wasn't that, like, in the 90s, early 2000s, whatever. Yeah, I watch Love island, whatever it is, he does that stuff. Love island, right. I think that's the big thing now. Love island reality show, whatever it is, I do this. Gary does that stuff. The spiritual people do that stuff. But I'm trying to show that it's not just like a niche thing, it's a human thing. All the stuff we're talking about now isn't just, like, for the select Few, we're all the select few. We're all meant to be on this wavelength. And it doesn't mean every modality is going to appeal to you, I get that. But some of them probably will. And the ones that will, will allow you to tap into the essence that we've been speaking on for the last hour. It's not like just the spiritual people. It's not like just the hippies. We're all the spiritual people. So my whole mission in life is to try and show that in a rather grounded way, is that we all have this power endowed, right? Everybody has this power endowed. The ability to tap into the dao endowed. No pun intended, right? That's kind of nice, play on words right there. We all have the power endowed in us. And it's just. It's just all it takes is to fall into place. It's just to get in line with the Dao do these simple practices that really don't take that much effort, they really don't take that much time, and one will find that flow, one will find that power, and then one floats downstream. That's all I gotta say [00:56:02] Speaker B: it is. It's that return, the challenge that doesn't exist. The challenge that you step up to the plate. You're just not accepting status quo. It's no longer. It's a holy thing. It's not a subjective or objective thing. It's whole. [00:56:22] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. But ironically. So I think the status quo is what gets us on the path. Because one reaches an exhaustion of the status quo, of it not adding up, and then, I don't know, maybe through divine grace, we get the message and start to follow the path and. And the words of the sages start to make sense, and you start to little by little incorporate those practices, modalities and meditations in your life, and it all starts to make sense. So I think all the stuff of the world is actually also part of the Dao as well. You know, even though it may not look like it, even though Love island may not look like part of the Dao, might not look spiritual, it actually is. Because eventually all of the bullshit is going to reach a breaking point in people. To turn people toward the path may take a few lifetimes, may not be in this one, but I think eventually we're all going to be inclined and aligned with this energy, with God, essentially. Because living against God, being an Israelite, that's what it means to be an Israelite. Just saying that's the word is like the people who wrestle with God, the Wrestling with God is eventually it's going to be a losing battle and we're going to have to surrender and get aligned with this and it's all just in due time. [00:57:46] Speaker B: The anti you. [00:57:49] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. The anti you. Yeah. That's what we're living in. It's the culture of anti you. But that anti you is still you, right? That anti you is still you trying to wake you up always. So everything at the end of the day is spiritual, even if it doesn't look like it. Everything is trying to nudge people onto the path, into the alignment and into this flow. It's just like. Have you got the message yet? Nope. Okay, send him another one. Have you got the message yet? Nope. Keep going. Almost. Oh, we almost got him that time. But eventually, one of these times for all of us, we get the message, we surrender. And that is what is popularly known as the dark night of the soul for a lot. And that's the sacrifice. You sacrifice that idea of how you think you should live that we spoke on in the beginning, and one becomes reborn into the dao, into the path, and on we go. You know what I'm getting at, though? It's like even the darkness of the world has a place. Even the ignorance is what leads us toward the truth. [00:58:58] Speaker B: Well, yeah, I mean, that's. That symbiotic dance, yin and yang is an inversion of all colors or emission of all colors. It's. That's it. And you meet that moment, you meet the maker and you converge everything and then you have the rainbow. It's all perfection. It's all beauty. It's all you're in awe of, or of more and more of the same. You fall in love with yourself and then you love others as you are whole. [00:59:32] Speaker A: Amen. I like that. You're in awe of awe. Yeah. That's all it is. I like to say you fall in love with love. That's the goal. That's the reason why we're here. That's the meaning of life, is to fall in love with love. And the beauty of it sanching is it never ends. Never deeper and deeper. Never, never deeper you go. The deeper you go. [01:00:03] Speaker B: I always, always end any conversation with we have just begun. [01:00:12] Speaker A: Beautiful. You want to wrap it up at that? [01:00:17] Speaker B: Of course, brother. You know, I. I always welcome just hanging and just sharing and sipping from this cup of perfection that we the this bond that we have. That is the unspoken word that just anyone listening, they're sipping from the same elixir. [01:00:40] Speaker A: Amen. It's a beautiful nectar, my friend. [01:00:42] Speaker B: Amen. [01:00:43] Speaker A: Well, San Ching, this was amazing. I thank you. [01:00:47] Speaker B: I thank you, my brother. Just being you. Being you is all I need right back. [01:00:55] Speaker A: Asha, do you have anything else you want to say? You just want to stop recording that? [01:01:00] Speaker B: Just sending and transmitting. That reflection that you look at in the mirror. Is that love lost? That love found. That passion that you find deep inside you is this very moment. Inhale it. Embrace it. Caress it. Return it from where it came. And that will be the holiness that finds you right now. [01:01:36] Speaker A: Beautiful. Sunshin. Thank you very much. [01:01:41] Speaker B: Love you, brother. [01:01:42] Speaker A: I love you too, man. Peace and love, everybody.