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[00:00:00] Speaker A: Did you make up that name or is that your.
[00:00:01] Speaker B: No, that was my birth name, actually. Yeah.
[00:00:05] Speaker A: What is that?
[00:00:06] Speaker B: So it's, It's.
Well, my ancestry is Norwegian, Swiss and German. And, you know, so depending on which translation I'm going by, coedding could mean the godlike or the. Or somebody who's godly or king or king, like, or kingly. And so. So depending on the translation you're going by. But that was my. That was my birth father's, Robert Coedding. I was given up for adoption. Went through a bunch of rigmarole with different families and stuff. My name was changed a few times. Actually, like four times. I had to. I had four different names.
But when I started writing books, I went back to my birth name. I just wanted to bring myself out to the world as I felt like my most authentic self and reconnect with. With my birth name. Coeding.
[00:00:57] Speaker A: Unique name.
[00:00:58] Speaker B: Yes, it is. And that is so. So, so. So the family I was adopted into named me Matthew Lawrence. Fine name. Beautiful name. It's also taken by at least one major actor and a couple. Couple not major actors. And because I, you know, I've looked it up before, I. Before I actually busted into the writing scene and started taking my writing seriously, you know, I did some searches on. On. On my name and I was like, that, that's a terrible name to use if I want to stand out in this field.
And so actually why I started writing as EA co editing was it's kind of a throwback to an older tradition of older occult authors like Arthur Edward Waite was A.E. waite, S.L. mcGregor Mathers. There was this abbreviation they would do with their names that I thought was really cool. And so as I was stepping into an author in this tradition, I took my birth name and did pretty much the same thing with it.
[00:01:53] Speaker A: I see.
[00:01:54] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:01:54] Speaker A: Cool. Well, E.A. coedding, thank you for joining me today, man.
[00:01:59] Speaker B: Thank you. It's an honor to be able to.
[00:02:01] Speaker A: Talk to you for sure, the honor is mine.
But yeah, getting this thing started, how would you explain what exactly it is that you do?
[00:02:11] Speaker B: Yeah, I would actually put an umbrella over my entire practice as practical spirituality.
And so my idea with this is that the spirituality is not something to.
It's not a concept or a philosophy. It's a practice.
And not only is it a practice, but it's a practice that you should see results from that. These spiritual. Whether we're talking about rituals and, you know, spells and summoning things or yoga, meditation and prayer, these are all technologies and they're Technologies that are meant to do very specific things to benefit us. And now. And so my whole approach is to look into every different tradition and see where are these technologies. And there's a lot of.
There's a lot of dogma you've got to pill through and a lot of mythology you've got to pill through. But in every single system, not only do you find the technology of these different rituals and meditations and etc. But you also start to see that it's the same technology, it's the same practices.
The words of the prayers are a bit different, but the format is the same.
And this has been a really striking thing for me of like a common thread where humans have naturally discovered the exact same spiritual realm and described it in some of the exact same ways and given the keys to enter it. So my whole practice is really, really based on, on that, on exploring spirituality. Now with that, that's led me directly into witchcraft and into black magic, because that's where this all seems to become the most accessible. That when we're looking at the, when we're looking at the religions and the spiritual paths at their face value, the priests and the gatekeepers, they do try to keep you at the surface level. Just, just worship and just give your tithing and just do the, just do the surface stuff. They don't really want you to dive much deeper. As soon as you go deeper, you are instantly in the realm of the adversary or the dark powers or the left hand path, because you're going beyond simply what you're given.
And so I have found that to be a, a pretty constant theme in my work is not only, not only finding the things that work, but also going into the darker realms, the realms that most people don't want to look.
[00:04:38] Speaker A: Okay, so let me take a second here.
[00:04:43] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely.
[00:04:44] Speaker A: I gotta think about where we want to, where we want to go.
So what's the goal of the technology? Right, because we have technology and we build it for a reason. So what would you say the overarching goal of all of this technology is?
[00:05:03] Speaker B: So it's what I call ascent. And it's. Ascent is just never ending continuous evolution.
This is.
We are becoming more and more godlike through our technology, but also through our spirituality.
Eric Weinstein gave a quote that I love that we are gods, but for the wisdom. We don't, we definitely don't have the wisdom of the gods, but we seem to have their power and their capabilities to destroy and to create. We just don't have the wisdom yet.
But but we do seem to be moving in that direction. But as we do, you know, if we took a single piece of our.
Just our physical technology or, or even our spiritual technology and went to a group of people that didn't, we would appear to be godlike. But because we've evolved into it, we're all taking it for granted that we can look at this black mirror and talk to each other across the world. It just is a part of life. And so as we evolve more and more into this godlike state, it becomes less godlike, it becomes more normal. And what we can perceive as being the next level of godhood will always appear. And so it is a never ending scale of evolution.
And I do think it's the.
I do think that we humans are being pulled along the same evolutionary scale as the rest of the cosmos. And that is towards more and more order and organization and more and more novelty. And the novelty concept is something I've really picked up strong from Terence McKenna. He had this whole philosophy of the universe is conspiring to create greater and greater novelty. And that has always really hit me because it is like things just get weirder and weirder and more interesting as we.
And I think the human being and our species is being pulled along that exact same axis.
[00:06:54] Speaker A: It's a very good point. So essentially the technology is allowing us to evolve. And what that means is we're evolving toward just an overall better experience, a new experience, an ever new way to just live altogether. Is that the use of this spiritual technology?
[00:07:16] Speaker B: Well, thank you for actually digging a little bit more deeper into it. Because I think what's actually happening here, whether it's the screens that we're talking to now or our meditative practices or hallucinogens, all of these things are boundary dissolvers. They dissolve the boundaries between us, between the space and time, and between you and who you actually think you are. You know, the whole ego dissolution. And so all of these are meant to dissolve false boundaries, to get us more, to unite us, to unite us more with one another. Also to unite us with our higher self or a greater self, and to unite ourselves with the greater reality a bit more. Because. Because I do feel like we are.
I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in this. I feel like we're in a zoo, that humanity is in a zoo. And it's a very carefully cultured zoo.
And, and that there's a greater reality beyond that zoo that you can pierce into in these, in these transcendental states.
And, and that's the real reality and not that this isn't.
And that's not to forsake the physical reality at all. That's not to say that what's happening here is not important. This is a reflection of that. This is an evolution of that energy frequency. And so it all needs to come together. This is the beauty of why we're here, is we're in this place where all of these frequencies have peaked to physical manifestation. This is a beautiful experience of life that we have that. I feel like I had somebody on my TikTok ask me a couple weeks ago, why is life a gift? Because like you keep saying, life's a gift.
It's crazy to have to explain why life is a gift. But it. But oh my gosh, it is like. Like being able to. To simply breathe, to walk and to see color and to. To live in this world with all of these other creatures. I've got all kinds of birds and animals out in the. The trees that I didn't put there. I didn't make them be there. I get to live amongst them. It is just a beautiful gift that we're. That. That in getting into your transcendental spirituality, I think there's a tendency, especially at first, to use it as an escape mechanism from this world. And don't do that. Come fuse the two. Bring the two together. So your daily life and your daily experience is also a spiritual experience.
[00:09:37] Speaker A: I think that's part of the path though, right? And that is in some way the right hand path is escaping the zoo, the ascendance or transcendence. And then would you say maybe you come back into the zoo a different person? Right. You utilize what you learned from the ascent and then you bring it into the world.
[00:09:56] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely.
If you can, try to grab onto something as you're on your way back. You know what I mean by this is in higher transcendental states or in deep, deep ritual states, you'll usually be so high or so deep that your mind goes away and everything just kind of disappears and you're floating in beautiful nothingness.
On your way back or on your way into that place, there are all kinds of interesting visions. You can encounter the voices of deities that might speak to you. And if you're paying attention, you can pick up messages. And. And so in. In any. Whether you're casting a spell to make something happen, summoning a spirit, or. Or even just going for a soul travel or just dropping mind, try to come away from it with a message.
A message of some sort. I mean, sometimes I'LL come away with it of the message is simply, you are good enough. That one comes through a lot for me. You are good enough. And it's like, okay, that's what I needed today.
Sometimes it's very specific. Sometimes it's very specific things that I need to do or, and usually it's things that I'm avoiding that are being shown to me in that moment. You know, sober up and go take a shower, you bum, you know, so, but, but do try to do, try to grab onto something that you can utilize, that you can, you can bring back. But even then, even then, if you don't do that, if you don't receive a message every single time, that's okay. Because by doing anything spiritual, engaging in any kind of spiritual practice, you're plugging yourself into a higher frequenc and it's changing you. It's transforming you. I believe at a cellular, genetic, bones, bone structure level, you're being transformed by just plugging yourself into these things. So even if it doesn't give you a specific message of what you need to do with your life, and even if you're not using your, your, your godlike power to manifest your desires, that's okay. You're still getting zapped by the power. And I, and my personal, my personal understanding that I've come to is you have to be doing it daily. You have to be getting zapped and putting yourself into this current daily that transforms everything.
Because a lot of my practice up until the last few years was like, need based. Like, I would have something come up that I needed to resolve, whether it's like an internal thing that I need to resolve or a physical thing that I'm trying to manifest.
As soon as I would get over that barrier, it's like my, my practices would kind of go into neutral and it would just kind of float there. And, you know, I'd still do like daily meditations sometimes from time to time, but it was really, it was really wavy. It was really, really waver. Wavery. I don't know what the word is. It wasn't wavering. Yeah, wavering. There we go. We're really wavering.
About three years ago, the same time I, I got sober, I was wrecked with substance abuse issues most, most of my life. And a few years ago, I did have a, a breakthrough, a massive breakthrough and decided I wanted to live. And all of the things that I was doing that were counteractive to that just went to the wayside or they are still going, I'm still smoking cigarettes so that's still going to the wayside. But.
[00:13:21] Speaker A: But.
[00:13:21] Speaker B: Wow. But at that same time, I.
I went, you know what? I'm not taking my path seriously. Like, I was teaching Everybody, being on YouTube and doing all. But. But I. I felt like an imposter because I kind of was, because I wasn't taking my path as seriously as I knew I could. And so I just dove into it. I was like, you know, I've got infinite time on my hands. All I've got is an entire day of 24 hours that I can work with. And so started developing a morning and an evening yoga routine and then a midday meditation and tying my day together where I'm actually living my day.
When you do that, especially when you start your day with. With something spiritual, it just carries through your entire day. And you'll. You'll. You're kind of floating on a cloud. And I've been floating on that cloud for about three years now. And it is.
It's awesome how easy life gets and how.
How easy the spiritual things that I desire come, whether it's visions or contact or. Or letting go. That's the big one. Vision. Even. Even visions and contact and conversation at some point is static, and you got to let that go and just go into the silence.
[00:14:40] Speaker A: Yeah. Well said. It's going with the flow. We called it a current. I like that. Yeah. It's a dao, you know.
[00:14:47] Speaker B: Yeah. And, you know, and it is. The term current is used quite a bit in the occult, and it's very fitting that once you jump into the current, it is a current that pulls you along, and it shows you what your next steps need to be. And we get distracted by trying to overthink it and question too many steps ahead.
I think if most of us that are on a spiritual journey, you know what your next step is. Whether that's just like, for me, my next step is tonight I've got a meditation that I do, and then the next step after that is the next morning. I've got my morning yoga.
Sometimes it's very specific things. You know, I've got to go make a pilgrimage to this specific spot. I'm going to go do that. But most of us kind of have an idea of what the next step is, but we get lost when we get too, too far ahead of the game.
I took up rock climbing and mountain climbing several years ago, and I'm terrified of heights. Terrified of heights. And. And so it is conquering myself through the. Through the activity and. And what I find on the Rock trends. The, the, the obstacles I have on the rock translate really well the obstacles in myself because it's the same in my daily life because it's the same me that I'm carrying into it, which is that if I start looking too far ahead, if I start worrying about what I'm going to do when I'm up there, then I fall, then I start scrambling. I can't do it as long as I keep my attention focused on where my hands are at right now and what's the very next thing I need to do. It's flawless. It's actually, it's an out of body supernatural experience to watch myself climb up a rock wall and just do it one step at a time. Whereas again, if I'm thinking too far ahead, I fall. And so there is that translation over to real world circumstance that for me, yeah. 100.
Getting lost in the anxiety of what if, what if in the future always takes you out, especially with your spiritual practice. Just stick with what's the next thing that I need to do.
[00:16:53] Speaker A: Well said. One step at a time. Yeah, that's the thing too.
Simplicity, I think comes along the way on the path. It's really somewhat routine as you said. You know, you have your meditation, you have your yoga, you just go with that flow. And as well, there's no half measures on becoming a living God.
You know, it's not like, you know, it's a part time thing. It's like, no, this becomes your lifestyle. Something that actually I don't even think about really anymore. It's just like brushing my teeth, right? It's meditation to me is just like brushing my teeth or tying my shoes before I leave. It's just, it's just a part of life. You know what I'm getting at?
[00:17:33] Speaker B: When you build it into your life like that, it does, it acts as a really loud feedback loop. Like if I, I can notice when I'm slacking on my, on my yoga, I can notice when I'm not paying attention in my, in my meditation or when I'm cutting it short and I'm like, you know, 10 minutes is good enough for today. And then you know, go and sure, I'll cut it off at 10 minutes and but, but I'm very keenly aware of it because every single day this is what I'm doing. And so if, if I'm cutting myself short, if I'm selling it short, I know it, I feel that. And then the next day you better believe I'm like, I'm not doing that again. And. And it is because. Because we are.
You know, I joined up about six years ago. Six years ago, my relationship was falling apart. And it did fall apart luckily, because it was a terrible relationship, and I was just not doing well. I was falling apart. So I joined this men's group to help. Help me put myself together.
And one of the things that we would do is download this app onto your phone. And every day at the end of the day, you go through and you do this checklist of, like, I told somebody I loved them. I completed my work tasks. I, you know, I ate good food, I exercised today, I did my daily meditation. And you go through this checklist. And I did it for a couple weeks. And I talked to my coach, and I'm like, are we.
Are we ever going to go over, like, the checklist? And, like, are you ever going to, like, tell me if I'm doing good or not? And he's like, oh, we don't read those. That's for you. I was like, what do you mean, like? He goes, oh, you don't understand yet. You're the only one that's judging yourself. You're the only one that's counting what you're doing good and what you're doing bad in your day. And so you get to decide how you. How you judge yourself at the end of the day, I don't care what you put on that paper. I was like, oh, wow, okay, that changes everything. But then I start doing it. If I do it for a couple more weeks, it took me about a month to figure out what was going on here.
You're not.
You're not just reporting on your day. You're wiring yourself. You're doing a daily hardwire of what your day is, what your day looks like, and what you can expect your life to become.
And you're just doing it one day at a time and wiring yourself through that habit. And so, like you say, it is just simply one day at a time, one thing at a time.
And you do find yourself.
One of the things that I'm thankful that I'll just give a little shout out to Raul Viasas. That's the dude that. He's like the Latino Tony Robbins. And one of the things he told me right away, he goes, look, you are the kind of person that you want 100% change, and you want it now.
You can't have it now. You can have 100% change, but it's going to take you 100 days.
1% a day, just 1% a day and then you can have it. You can't have. If you try to do it all at once, you're going to burn yourself out. It's unachievable. But 1% a day, that's achievable. And I was like, oh, dude, that's. That is. That changes absolutely everything. But once again, it's got to be a daily thing that whatever you're trying to do, you know, before we started recording, I was talking about being a bass guitar player. I love playing bass guitar. Absolutely. I need to do it every day. If I miss a couple days and I go back to it, I can feel the stiffness in my fingers. I can feel my finger pads are more sensitive. I can feel that there. These fingers just aren't nearly as fast after two days because I recently went two days without playing because I was sick and oh, my gosh, it was ridiculous. Same thing with meditation. You get if you take a couple days off meditation, you come back to it. You're jittering all over the place. You can't keep your mind still.
If you're doing it daily, though, it's flawless.
[00:21:23] Speaker A: Yep. Amen, man.
So, okay, I want to try and, like, bridge the gap between how we started the conversation of evolution, becoming a living God, and then the simplicity of the human condition. How does that translate? Right? How does the simplicity, the sort of routine of the spiritual path, the really, like, embracing the mundaness of the human condition, how does that translate into becoming a living God? You know what I'm getting out here?
[00:21:51] Speaker B: I do, yeah. 100%.
[00:21:57] Speaker A: I know it's a big question. Take your time.
[00:22:02] Speaker B: A few things.
One thing is, is that.
There's a whole lot of fault, static interference that we put in our lives and in our minds and in our activities.
That doesn't need to be there. And so bringing your. And with that, mostly let me bring it into the ultra personal within yourself, there's static that doesn't need to be there. It has nothing to do with what's going on in your outside world.
One of the things that I've. I've come to that's made my life blissful is the Buddhist mantra of chop, chop wood and carry water. That's. That's. That's what you're doing in your life. You're chopping wooden, carrying water. And I can find myself getting frustrated if there's too many dishes in the sink that I've got to wash or too much trash to take out. But just that little. No, this is actually my dharma is to chop wood and to carry water. And so that's, that's what I'll do. And so it does allow me to drop that inner interference. And all of these spiritual activities, daily meditation allows you to drop that, that inner interference, that inner voice.
When you get, when you, When I started in meditation, I, it was really hard for me because my mind was really self abusive.
As soon as I got quiet, my mind would start to tell me how horrible a person I am in a million different ways.
And I had to reckon with that. And one of the things that, one of the realizations I came across is that as.
Because my mentor at the time just said, just sit with it, try not to abuse yourself and if it gets too much, then tap out of it, but keep going back to it. He goes, I want you to actually pay attention and write down what these voices, what your, your inner voice is saying to you. So I start writing them all down and I noticed the exact same phrases coming up over and over again.
Next time I met with him, I'm like, what? And he goes, where have you heard this before? And we started thinking, indeed, every single one of those were statements made to me usually by an adult in my childhood. You know, oh, you're so stupid. You're never paying attention. You can't. And so it was these childhood things that I was holding on to and I had transmuted them into my own voice to abuse myself with. And, and yeah, and so for me that's an extreme example. I've got a lot of trauma that I've, that I've had to negotiate with. But in some way or another, when you start a meditation practice, the very first thing you're going to have, you got two things that you're going to encounter is first your body. Just getting your body to sit still in a position, that's the first thing. And then as soon as you get comfortable, your mind starts coming in as the distractor and you do have to just sit with it and it does resolve itself. And so these spiritual practices.
[00:24:55] Speaker A: They are.
[00:24:55] Speaker B: Getting at the simplicity of reducing all of that inner static of getting to the point that you can sit there.
I'm not going to say that I never have negative thoughts about myself come through in meditation, but it's deeply reduced. And most importantly, what you learn is how to let it go. This is the primary thing that you learn in meditation, is the art of letting go. You have a thought come up, it's okay that that thought came up, just let it go. You had an itch and you Got to scratch it. That's okay. Just let go and get back to the meditation. It's a constant process of letting go.
So that in itself is.
Once you reduce the static, once you can get your processes, all of these, all of these static processes down, there is an explosion that happens within.
So I called this the theta gamma sync. Several years ago, I started doing a lot of research into what's happening in the brain in, in ritual and meditative states.
So you'll go from your alpha or beta, normal brainwave function. And if you go, if every night you can fall asleep or if you meditate, you'll go into theta. Now if you. And that's, that's like 4.5 Hz is the optimal theta, theta state. And so that's very minimal outp happening in your brain.
Now when you go to sleep, you fall out of theta into deep delta, which is delta sleep.
Now if you can hold yourself in that theta state without falling asleep for just a few moments, a brainwave state starts getting triggered. That's called gamma. And it's beyond what you could possibly get with all of your concentration of your brain trying your hardest. And it only comes through that deep, deep relaxation. And the more you hold yourself into that deep relaxation, the more these gamma radiation comes to, is being exuded from your brain. And so you're, you're, you are, you are accessing your, your most godlike capabilities in those moments.
And, and so it is through, like you said, through those simplicity, through the, those, the, the, these very simple practices of actually reducing, rather than adding two, that reduces the, the static that allows that eruption of your godlike frequencies and.
[00:27:14] Speaker A: Then through that eruption. Go ahead, go ahead.
[00:27:18] Speaker B: There is a second aspect to all of this though, that there are technologies, there are practices. And so that's another part of why, instead of just releasing yourself and living as simply as possible and whatever, why be spiritual? Because there are technologies that you can learn. Very simple technologies of letting go of getting your body and your mind and to the right place, getting your breath aligned with your energy, that there are things that you can learn that actually do allow you access into your deeper, higher self.
[00:27:55] Speaker A: Okay, yeah, so we figure out the human stuff, you know, get the clutter out, figure out the monkey mind in some way. Quell the monkey mind, we could say. And then once we get past that interference, you're saying the eruption that comes forth is.
Well, let me ask you that. What comes from this eruption? You know, is it power, creativity? That's what I find. I find it's Just like this ever, ever flowing creativity that comes forth from me in my mind. Do you feel the same way?
[00:28:30] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, 100%.
[00:28:35] Speaker A: Is that what it means to be godlike, to be the creator?
[00:28:38] Speaker B: Yes, yes. I think, I think you. I think you hit the nail on the head that this is what it means to be godlike is. Is to, To. To. To be a creator. And it's, It's a fun goal to put for myself to create something that's never existed before, something completely original.
And because I'm treating a lot of cool stuff, whether it's music or books or whatever, whatever, but it's all borrowed from somebody else. I'm leaning on somebody else. And we're all doing that.
And so I think. Yeah, and we're built in this way.
Even at the opening where you mentioned technology and how we use this physical technology.
Why even. The reason that we build the physical technology, I think is the same reason that we do the spiritual technology, that we're obsessed with evolution, with our, our own evolution and evolving the world around us and innovation.
Yeah. 100.
Innovation, creativity. That we are. We are creators.
I'm doing right now, I'm writing a book on. On elemental magic. Elemental sorcery. The elements of fire, water, earth, air and spirit, forming the foundation for, for all, all magic spiritual structure in this world.
In this. I'm looking at the history of the pentagram and how the. The Greeks really saw something that nobody had seen before of the pentagram as being an encapsulation of the human body. The head at the top, the arms at the sides, and the feet spread apart. And, and with this, started coming into this, this concept codifying what. What religion had been saying of man was created in the image of God and that our very form is a nexus for all things, that we are the living axis mundis in this world, in bodies.
And. Yes, indeed. And so with that, I think all of these practices are meant to make you a better vessel, not necessarily to give you power.
And I don't think the thing that is created even comes from us. Like, I've written over 30 books at this point, and with every single one of them, the best parts of them, I am certain I did not write. I just had my fingers on the keyboard and it just came through me. And I looked at the page and went, wow, that's amazing. And so creativity and power aren't things that we should try to possess or acquire, but to allow to flow through us.
[00:31:20] Speaker A: Yeah, Amen.
I feel that too.
It's like there's something that's being channeled in the creativity. And there's no way it was done by Gary's mind, just by Gary's mind.
[00:31:38] Speaker B: 100. But then also when you are in this hyper, hyper dimensional state, that theta gamma sync state, you ask, you know, what, what could you do? Or what, what happens?
An influx of creativity, compassion, connectedness.
But this can also be a tool in itself that you can use in that state.
Once you've reached that state and you're firmly tethering the high and the low, visualize what you want in your life, what, what needs to be different. See it as if it's. See it as if it is the exact way that you want it to be and release all of your attachment to it, let it go. And you're gonna see a transformation of things. Not necessarily exactly like you visioned it, but you are going to see that thing transforming and resolving.
That. This, this is the magical state to be in. That the things that you think about and especially the things that you visualize and you attach emotion to that visualization get pushed into the creative process.
[00:32:46] Speaker A: Yeah. You know how they have that saying of, you can do whatever you want, Right. It's kind of like a cliche. You can do whatever you want in life. It's actually, I like to add another layer. It's like you're supposed to do whatever you want in life. That's the thing. And I think the problem is, is we don't really know what we want. We get told what we want. We get conditioned into what we want. But when we do the practices, we really figure out what we want. Like our dharma, what we came here for, for. And that's what you're supposed to follow. And once you do follow that, you're just in the current and. Yeah. It's this relationship between what you want and being swept away by some other force. It's like they're hand in hand. That's what I find. Right. Like our desires. And that force, the dao that we spoke of is. It seems to be like the same thing. They dance with each other, you know?
[00:33:36] Speaker B: Absolutely.
Yeah, absolutely.
You know, when, when my, when my daughter was about 15, I took full custody of her. Things were going terribly with her mother. And while I was glad to have her in my home and be able to protect her and provide for her, I was resentful of it. I was resentful of being a single father. And I was talking to one of my, one of my gurus.
I've always sought out gurus and mentors. Like, my whole adult life I've tried to have somebody there that I can turn to. And so went to one of my gurus, and I'm like, hey, I, I'm dealing with so much resentment. I, I, he's like, well, tell me about that. Like, what's it. I said all the things I could be doing so many, so many things with my life if I, if I wasn't, you know, burdened down with being a single father. And he's like, oh, yeah? Yeah, like what?
I'm like, what do you mean? He goes, no, no, like you said, there's a million things that you could do. Like, name some.
And I couldn't, I couldn't name a single.
He goes, so you're, you're using your daughter as an excuse for nothing. And I was like, oh, dude. He was, don't do that. Don't, don't do that again. He's like, you know, figure out what you want to do. And he goes, I guarantee you can do it whether you got your daughter or whether she moves on or what, Whatever happens, like, figure out how to do what you want to do. And I was like, all right, that's, that's a huge thing. Because that hit me hard that, that I was making excuses for why I couldn't live the life I wanted to live, why I couldn't, like you say, enjoy my life, life fully and, and, and, and really do anything that I wanted to do. And no matter what you're using, whether it's that you're a single parent or you're. You work too many, it's all an excuse, you know, Find out what you actually want to do.
[00:35:20] Speaker A: Yeah. And then once you figure it out, it'll all come into fruition very effortlessly.
[00:35:26] Speaker B: It does that, that.
When people, I'll get people on consultations a lot who are troubleshooting their magic, they're trying to cast a specific spell or manifest something specific, and they're not getting it.
And there's always, not always. Most of the time, there's going to be 2, 2 real big factors. And the, the first is if you're too attached to it, if you're not able to let it go, and, you know, if you're still pacing back and forth by the phone waiting for him to call, he never will. You've got to be able to fully let it go. Use your ritual spell or your meditation to take all of your desire and get it out of you. And so that's the first thing. But the second Thing that I think is more common when I start to talk to them is that they're not really clear about what they want, and they're not really clear if they really want it. You know, like, for instance, this lady that I talked to who wanted to get her ex husband back. And so I was like, well, you know, the relationship ended, so is it really worth getting him back? And she goes, well, I just want him back so I can punish him today. And I go, wait, so being in a relationship with you is punishment? And she goes, oh, well, that's not what I meant. I'm like, okay, well, this is why your spell's not working. Is. Is you're. You're all over the place. You're not trying to cast a love spell. You're trying to cast a curse. Just be honest with it and cast a curse.
[00:36:49] Speaker A: Huh? So now we're getting to the realm of magic.
[00:36:53] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:36:54] Speaker A: Is that the basis of magic is being very, very clear with your intentions?
[00:37:03] Speaker B: I think that's a. That's a very important part of it, being clear about your intentions. But then taking those into a.
Compressed time and space.
Space is less important. I think you can go to an altar or go into a temple, but I think. I think compressing the space is less important than the time. And what I mean by this is like, so with the law of Attraction, I've known a whole lot of poor people walking around saying, I am wealthy. I am wealthy. And the wealth never comes. There's a whole lot of just. It doesn't seem to work. It's not a reliable system. It would be if they took all of that energy that they're spending for weeks or months doing their chanting, took all that desire and compressed it into 15 minutes.
And you do that by sitting down, light a candle, get some incense going. If you want to get a sigil of a spirit or whatever things that you want to focus your. And it is a good idea to have something physical that you're focusing your attention and your energy on, something that can act as a gateway. And then in just a compressed amount of time, take all of your emotion about that, all of your desire, all of your frustrations, and get it out of you.
This. If you've got a lot of blockages, this can be an emotional release of those blockages. So you can allow yourself to receive the wealth that's coming to you with the love that you're trying to manifest.
Or it can just be as simple as visualizing what you want and seeing yourself possessing it and putting all of your energy into it, all of your emotion into it, to the point that when you blow the candle out or you say the. The final words of your spell, that there's no.
You don't even care if it happens anymore.
That's the exact. That's the best energy to have after your. Your ritual. It doesn't matter if this happens or not. It's. For me, it's done, it's over. And then at that point that. That's when I feel the real energetic shock wave is sent out, is when you're able to fully offload and step away from the energy of your desire. And then you've got to have a little.
You know, people ask when, when. When does the.
When does the spell work? What's the time? What's the time frame?
And the best answer I've come to is that it works as soon as you forgot that you cast the spell. So just go about your life, forget that you even did it. Forget all about it. And then you're going to get surprised and, you know, pleasantly surprised when you find out that. That it's come up about.
[00:39:47] Speaker A: Yeah, I've noticed that too.
It's kind of funny. It's kind of a joke that the universe plays on us in that way. It's like you get everything you want when you don't really want it anymore.
[00:39:56] Speaker B: Yeah. 100.
[00:39:58] Speaker A: Why do you think that is? Like, where does. What is the. I mean, this is. This is a very esoteric question, but why do you think that is? Why is that the formula?
[00:40:07] Speaker B: Well, there's an important thing there.
You'll get anything that you want when you don't want it. It anymore.
You're not going to get the things that you just don't want that you don't care about. But, but there's a book called A Course in Miracles. Have you ever checked that out or heard of it?
[00:40:22] Speaker A: Oh, definitely.
[00:40:23] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah. Course in Miracles was spectacular. One of the, One of the parts that really hit me were these rockets of desire that with everything that happens to you or for you or through you, that it creates an emotional impulse. And, and if that's satisfaction and fulfillment, that's great. You're out.
[00:40:42] Speaker A: You're.
[00:40:42] Speaker B: You're. You've gotten what you want. But if those rockets of desire are frustration or any, any. Any emotion, any emotion, the more emotion that you can give, you can feed to that rocket. The further it's going to fly, the more. The more powerful your explosion is going to be. And, and the, and so it is important to have that initial emotion and to offload it, to feed it into your. Your. Your manifestation. And then it creates an explosive power. So, so it, it's the detachment from. It's necessary because otherwise we're taking. We're holding all that emotion inside of us. And, and it's not. It's. It's really just multiplying and doing. Doing nothing really beneficial in our system until we're able to offload it and actually put it into the universe. Especially when the thing we're trying to manifest, we see it as existing outside of us. You know, like I say that carefully because we see wealth and love sometimes as existing outside of us when really those are internal states that we're just using external symbols for. But yeah, yeah.
[00:41:56] Speaker A: So essentially it's because when we have that want or desire, that energy of I don't have it is still in you. So if you always hold that energy of lack, then obviously it's never going to come into fruition because you're still resonating at that lack.
[00:42:13] Speaker B: Right.
Once again, you hit the nail on the head that it is I don't yet have it versus using the whole ritual or meditative process to get you to the point that you feel like you already have it, that it's already in your hands.
You're actually, through your imagination, you're bridging the time gap into the future, into the point that the thing's going to happen. And then you make yourself as excited. Like, if I'm doing money magic, I'll imagine myself sitting at my computer logging into my online banking, and I see the amounts pop up on the screen. And. And the most important part of it is I feel excited when I see the amount pop up on the screen that I want. Oh, I didn't know that I'd have that much money in my account.
[00:42:59] Speaker A: Whoa.
[00:43:00] Speaker B: And I try to produce the emotional and even physiological stimulation that I'm going to receive at the time that the thing works.
And then I lock that in as my reality. And so then when I come back to myself, yeah, there's no lack in me. It's just I already have it. It's just a matter of time before the physical world aligns to that reality. Reality.
[00:43:24] Speaker A: Powerful. Yeah. And that's the big 180 switch that one dons when they tread the spiritual path is abundance.
We were born into a world of scarcity.
I mean, not even literal physical scarcity, like mental scarcity. So when you do tread the spiritual path, you know, the path to godlike Your godlike nature.
It's. Everything is abundant and magic is real.
It's actually less magical. It's actually. This is just how the world works. This is how the universe works, right? It goes from mystical to just. This is how it be man. And yeah, there's just so much. There's just so much magic that comes from it in my life that I can witness. Like, not only, like, literal magical rituals that one does, but like, stuff that I witness as well. Like, I see that abundance.
I see that just the miracle of it all. And yeah, that's just a part of the huge perspective shift that comes from becoming a spiritual person.
[00:44:26] Speaker B: When I first started writing books and trying to push myself out there, I would do a lot of live seminars. So I'd go find. I go to random cities and find an occult bookstore and see if they'd let me set up and do a lecture.
And I would end it with giving. Giving out sigils or magic squares, usually for wealth, because who couldn't use a little more money? And that's a pretty good money. Magic is a really good feedback loop to see if you're. If you're getting it, because either you get the money or you don't.
And so I'd walk everybody through just how to charge it and gaze at it. Some people wouldn't do it. They'd be uncomfortable about doing it. But on the back of the paper that I'd hand out, I'd have my email. And so I tell everybody, if you have good experiences or bad experience, just email me and let me know what happens. And that's really. That would always be the clincher for people to hear the philosophy of it and to go, okay, this is interesting, but then to get the money to do this little thing, and then I get the emails and, oh, my God, this and this happened and this and this happened, and all kinds of. Of just crazy little twists that so many people were experiencing, because that is where the rubber meets the road with all of this. With any spiritual practice, whether it's, you know, a simple meditation to let go of what you need to let go of or to manifest something that you desire, it's. It really is. The process is very, very similar. And it does work. It produces the results. And without knowing, without touching fire yourself or ever seeing it yourself, it's impossible to understand it. It's impossible to understand.
It looks like, because much of this. For anybody who hasn't practiced any bit of spirituality, almost everything we're saying here sounds like silliness. It Sounds like garbage, but yeah. The second that you actually put yourself into it, then you understand it for yourself.
[00:46:31] Speaker A: Yeah. Huh. The proof is in the pudding. Yeah.
It's like you have to take a leap of faith at first.
I'm always interested in, like, how people got onto the path, because that's the hardest step to take is the first step, I think. And then once you're kind of rocking and rolling, you're good. You know, once you become a believer, you're kind of good. You know, once you taste the pudding or once you see it, once you see the proof, it's kind of like, oh, okay. And then, you know, on you go.
Let me ask you that. How did you get started? I mean, you don't have to go into your whole story. I imagine it's kind of a long story, but how did you get started on this whole path?
[00:47:09] Speaker B: Yeah.
I was raised in my adoptive family. I was raised in the Mormon Church, and I was being drawn to strange things. I remember when I was five, six years old, I was trying to put together an incantation, and I grabbed some toy and I was using it as my wand and trying to do this incantation.
And then when I was a little bit older, a couple years later, I put my Lego blocks out and I tried to levitate them. I had my hands stretched out, and I had this feeling if I could just let go and just believe it enough that my blocks would. Would rise up off of the. Off the ground.
My sister.
Yeah, exactly. The force, indeed.
My sister came in and says, what are you doing? And I told her, you know, I'm trying to get these blocks to levitate. And she says, I'm telling mom that's witchcraft. Oh, okay. I'm gonna take that word and I'm gonna put it away for later. And indeed I did.
So at some point later on, I. I start looking into witchcraft and investigating, and I played with some Ouija boards. That was actually my Ouija board experience was a bit of a breakthrough because we're playing with it and it's. It's telling us all kinds of cool stories and whatnot.
But the entire time, I could feel the spirit not in the board, but up in the corner of the room.
And it wasn't like a person up there, but it was like a ball of energy that was floating up in the corner of the room watching us. And that was the first time I became aware of an actual spirit in the room.
And that.
That scared me enough that I kind of swore it off and, you know, went and Prayed to forgive me for my sins and all of that. But it planted a seed of like, oh, this. It's not a matter of whether or not this is real. It's a matter of whether or not you want to touch it. And for several years I, I studied it. I'd go into like the school libraries and look up stuff on witchcraft and you know, Xerox on Xerox off myself some copies so I could read the pages at home and, but all in secret because I was living a very Mormon life. I was, I was like the young men's leader and whatever I was, I was Mr. Mormon but studying witchcraft on the side.
And so I, I, at about 15, I finally decided to do something with it when I met this girl that I wanted to put a love spell on. So I start researching.
[00:49:53] Speaker A: Yeah, it's always cousin the girl, always.
[00:49:56] Speaker B: It'S always a woman.
And, and so I start looking into it, like how to actually make this work. And so I start researching how to cast a love spell.
And then I, and what I find, I'm like, okay, well it says before I can do this, I've got to initiate myself into magic. And so I started doing these self initiation rituals. And then before I can do that, I've got to learn how to, how to work with the elements.
So I ended up doing a several months path working and kind of forgot all about the girl. And I saw her later on and like, like she, she actually saw her the day she was checking herself out of school. She had, she had, what's it called when they, when kids can leave their parents house and go live on their own? Emancipated. She emancipated.
She emancipated herself and didn't even graduate. She just went and signed herself out of school. And I was like, dude, I was gonna cast a love spell on that chick. And I forgot about it.
But that was, that was what kind of got me into. It was just that, that little like gonna cast a love spell on a chick and then start to start unfolding it. But for me it was, it was, it was always like, it always proved itself. Like I said, it was never a matter for me of whether or not it was going to work. It was whether or not I dared to, to try to get it to work. And then just at left and right, every, it just proves itself out over and over and over.
So from there as a, in high school, I started my own like magic circle. And I have people meet me after school so we can go do rituals together and meet on the weekends to summon spirits. And I pretty much never stopped. Just kind of kept doing that my whole life. I'm like. I'm like 40, 40, almost 45, and I'm still doing the exact same thing.
[00:51:37] Speaker A: Well, it seems like you were born into it, and if you believe in past lives, you probably did this stuff in past lives.
[00:51:43] Speaker B: I do believe in past lives, and I did do this in past lives. But also, when I was 28 years old, I. I met my birth mother. I was given up for adoption. My. My birth mother gave me up around six months old. She just couldn't handle being a parent parent, and she didn't necessarily give me up for adoption. She gave me to some neighbors, and I was tossed around into several homes through the first few years of my life. At four years old, I was adopted into a Mormon family.
And then When I was 28, I met my birth mother because I started writing under my birth name, Eric Coedding. And so she got old me. She's like, I never, ever thought that you would use your birth name, but here you are. And she was able to line up details and, you know, prove herself or whatever, but she goes, yeah, so what. What have you been doing with yourself? And I was kind of embarrassed or something to tell her that I was writing books on witchcraft. I, you know, I didn't know how she would. How she would take it, but I told her I was just like, you know, here's what I'm doing. And she goes, oh, that's not surprising at all, because that's what your. You know, your grandma wrote at least two books on. On magic. She never did anything with it, but I used to have them in the closet. And I was like, oh, are you serious? And she goes, yeah, and. And like, we've all been witches through the bloodline forever. And. And we've also all been. Yeah, we've also all been writers. I had a grandpa that was a. An early author or journalist at the New York Times. And so I've got. I've got family, though, that travels through the bloodline, which that was because, like I said, when I was a kid, I was trying to levitate my Legos, not knowing where this was coming from. And like you said, both past lives, but also. Also through. Through the bloodline.
[00:53:28] Speaker A: Yeah, I think they're somehow related. I mean, there's some people say our bloodline is our past lives, and then there's others that say it's not related. I think it's somehow related in some way. Obviously, I don't know the intricacies and the details of it, but they go hand in hand for sure.
[00:53:43] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah.
I've got very clear understanding that I've not always been a Scandinavian person.
And so I have had lives outside of my bloodline. I will say that I had. I had a mentor with the guy who was teaching me. I learned for a few under this guy learning how to do voodoo, Haitian vodon. And so I met this Haitian guy and he was teaching me. And at one point I said, you know, I don't know why they're giving me all these. Why I'm getting contact and why. Why they're giving me these secrets if I'm just a white guy from Utah.
And. And he laughed and he goes, you don't always think you were a white guy from Utah, right? Like, that's not who you've always been. And he goes, you. You've probably been every single race out there, so just get that idea out of your head. And I was like, oh, okay. That's. That actually frees me up quite a bit. All right.
[00:54:34] Speaker A: Yeah, I feel that. I think there's some. I mean, I believe that too. Like, we've probably all been, you know, if we've lived millions of lives, as the Buddha says, and obviously we've been every race, we've lived in every kind of culture, but there's got to be some lives that we did more work in that we resonate with the culture and the lineages of that. You know what I mean?
[00:54:52] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, for sure. 1. And as I've done, as I've done ancestor work, I've been very clear that my ancestors are alive through me, that their spirit somehow does it, is living this. This life through me. And it's, It's. It's a weird thing because it's not. It's not like they're possessing me, but they're along for the ride somehow.
[00:55:17] Speaker A: Yeah, It's a mystery, but I feel that as well. The spirit of the ancestors.
Yeah.
[00:55:24] Speaker B: You know, one thing, I'll say this about the ancestors. One of. One of the big things is, like, when I first started doing ancestor work, I was really self conscious. Same way I was about telling my birth mother what I did for a living. I was really self conscious about, like, how are they going to see me?
You know, am I going to live up to what they hope that they're, you know, know, lineage would be?
And the feeling I've always got is they're just proud that we exist, like just the that their bloodline, their genes are still in this world. That just gives them all the thrill that could ever exist.
[00:56:01] Speaker A: That's powerful.
[00:56:02] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:56:03] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:56:04] Speaker B: It is.
[00:56:09] Speaker A: Just gonna sit with that one for a sec. Yeah.
Now, on the subject of spells and putting spells on people, is that bad karma? You know, like, should you not necessarily put spells on people? I always think. I don't know, to be honest with you. I don't know much about magic and the whole basis of. Of it, but I'm like, I don't think it's a good idea to put spells on people. Now what do you say to that? It's like, if I want to put a love spell on somebody or somebody wants to put it on me, could that turn out negative?
[00:56:48] Speaker B: Almost always. It's almost always going to turn out negative.
[00:56:52] Speaker A: Yeah. So, yeah. Like, does it ever work?
[00:56:54] Speaker B: Yes, so it does. So here. Yes, it does work. Spells work quite a bit.
But not only does it.
[00:57:02] Speaker A: It.
[00:57:03] Speaker B: Cause karma, it begins with karma. It begins with attachment. It begins with such a severe attachment that you've got to have this one person, and they're not. They're not going to go out with you, and so you've got to bewitch them. That comes from a place of pure karma. Yeah, absolutely.
And so love spells, they can work. And here's what. Here's what happens is the person starts thinking about you and starts getting some. Some good feelings about you, and then you line it up. It's always best to line up your. Your love spells with putting yourself into that person's, you know, view. And so you go walk next to them in the. In the mall or something. Hey, I didn't even think I would run into you. And they're like, oh, I've been having these really crazy dreams about you lately. Oh, okay. Well, hey, you want to go out, you make your move, then things will usually go really well for a couple days because that person's natural will is going to resume. You've. You've put an illusion on them. Them, and. And eventually they're going to break free of that illusion, actually, usually really quickly within a. Within a few days.
Now, you can use this as an opportunity to really make that person fall in love with you, to show them how amazing you are and show them a good time and, you know, get to know them on a deep level for those few days. And then when the spell breaks, they might have real authentic love for you. They might have developed that. And all the spell did was give you a chance to have. Have that. So in that way that's like the best case scenario. Usually that's not how it goes. Usually if they wouldn't have gone out with you in the first place, they probably don't like you. And so when the spell wears off, they're like, what the hell am I doing with you? And by that time you've, you've fallen victim to your own spell that you forgot. You cast a spell and so you think that you're in love with them and they're in love with you and it's going to last forever. And then they break that, the spell is broken and they dump you because you're just a creep who put spells on people to get them to go out with you.
[00:58:55] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:58:55] Speaker B: And it always, or the worst case scenario that I've seen happen a couple times that really is disturbing is when it goes the other level, the other direction and they go deep into an obsession with you and then they become a stalker.
There's no telling that person no because they're just permanently in love with you. And that can be the worst, the worst case. So with that, I do recommend all of those spells exist. You can do them. They're also really immature and they're coming from a place of that attachment. So they're kind of set up to fail in some way in the beginning.
So remove the other person completely from the spell.
You know, whether you're trying to get money or get somebody, or love or recognition, whatever you're trying to get, don't worry about the other person. It doesn't have to be a specific person person. Just see yourself in love. See yourself walking along the beach, holding hands or going out to dinner or making love with the person. But don't give them a face. Don't, don't, don't put a person onto it. Just say I, I. We can all identify. We all know what it's like to feel loved and we all know what, what you know, we all have that, that ability to anticipate what that's going to feel like. Just walk on to that and let that love come from whoever comes to you. Whatever, whatever ways open them up, themselves up with that. Pay attention to what you're feeling. Maybe you get drawn to go to a specific bar or to go hang out with people or start taking those opportunities in those cases. Those are the times that a love spell works out amazing because it just bridges the gap between two people that need to meet each other. Same thing with money, rather than trying to make your manager sick. So that way you get to take his position instead. Just see yourself in a greater position and let that come about however it comes about.
[01:00:45] Speaker A: I see. Yeah. So what you're saying, if you do conduct magic, which, I mean, we're all conducting magic, whether you know it or not.
[01:00:52] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:00:53] Speaker A: It's like leave the other person out of it, really. So if you're trying to manifest per se, don't add another party.
[01:01:01] Speaker B: Right.
And now that can be really. That can be rough if you have tight expectations on how your love appears.
While I was in my last terrible relationship several years ago, I.
I wanted to cast some love spells on her to make her into the girlfriend that I wanted her to be. And, and I kind of took my own advice here and went, well, you know, what if I just remove the person? Well, that opens the door to another person who's not her stepping in to fill that role. And I'm not sure that I'm ready for that. And so that, that is the one hang up with that is you've got at your situation going like. And this comes back to your intention, like, do you actually want and are you ready to receive the thing you're asking for?
[01:01:53] Speaker A: Intention is everything.
Yeah.
[01:01:56] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:01:57] Speaker A: Now let me ask you this one, man. How would one know that they have a spell put on them or a curse?
[01:02:09] Speaker B: A curse is almost always going to first start manifesting in an anxiety, like in just an inner anxiety that something's wrong.
[01:02:16] Speaker A: And.
[01:02:20] Speaker B: It'Ll quickly start to build into often little body problems. Little problems. You know, you feel a little pain in your side or pain in your back, little. And, and these are just like, I think, openings for the curse energy. There is a very unique curse energy that, that'll get into that, into a person. And, and so it's not like, you know, you get a pain in your side. It's not like you're going to get a cancer and die there. It's just that's how the. Those are entry points for this dark power to enter your body and start pulling you down.
Most of the time people are going to know, but they're going to not want to admit it, not want to admit that that person has any kind of power over them or that they could even be cursed or that this is even real.
But you, you, you've really got to admit that that's the only way out of it is to go like, you know, something's happening, somebody is. Is putting negative effects on me. And then, and then once you're conscious of it, you can start to remove it and reverse it.
[01:03:29] Speaker A: But.
[01:03:32] Speaker B: If you think that you have a curse on you, you should act like you do.
And not necessarily because you always will.
But even that thought can start to produce a self induced curse. You can start to create the, the symptoms of the curse. If you think you're cursed, especially if you think you're cursed and you're shoving it down, then that does kind of put it into the unconscious realm where it can start to affect you unconsciously and drive things off the rails. So the best thing to do is to bring it to the conscious awareness, go, you know what? I feel like I might be cursed. I feel like there might be an ill effect on me. And then there's all kinds of things you can do from the beginning to nullify it. You know, just different bindings, tying knots in a string and binding the curse into that works really well. There are a lot of ways, a lot of like folk magicy things that you can do to nullify curse energy.
But it does, it is interesting because when a person is cursed, they make every excuse in the world for why they're not cursed. As things just go worse and worse and worse, they'll make every excuse in the world. It's like something built into the curse that makes you deny it.
[01:04:45] Speaker A: Yeah, it's like a curse on top of the curse.
Now would you say we're doing this all day with each other in our interminglings, we're putting spells on each other, we're cursing each other, and it's just a matter if you know it or not.
[01:05:02] Speaker B: 100%. 100%. So if you're, if you are thinking about somebody, this is a little, a little technique that one of my early teachers told me just to visualize somebody, imagine them. And as you hold their, their, their face in your mind, your energy starts to connect. It's like a corridor of energy that connects between you two and, and it even starts to overlap where your auras can start to overlap. You can even just by imagining somebody's face, you can start to step into them and start to feel like what it is to be them. And so we're always having this connection for sure. Now let's say you're taking that same energy and approach in a lustful position that you're, you know, you've got Facebook pictures that you've swiped off of somebody's page and you're going, oh man, she's so hot.
[01:05:54] Speaker A: Wow.
[01:05:55] Speaker B: Let's say you're going even further and pleasuring yourself to those pictures. You're sending a ridiculous Amount of energy towards that. What you're visualizing in that moment is hitting that person.
And in some way they're absorbing that and taking that in in some way. And so same thing with hate. If you're sitting there hating on somebody, you know you're jealous of somebody, you can't leave them alone. You're watching every video that they make and hating on them. That is sending a little curse energy towards them through the day.
You can utilize this as a. As a thing to manifest what you want or to send curses to somebody instead of sitting down and doing a full ritual just to leak them negative energy all day. But in that way, I think that you're.
You're cursing yourself. You're making yourself hold on to the. The poison that you should be getting out of you. Because that is how I see curses is like somebody is doing something that's. They're injecting their poison into me.
[01:06:58] Speaker A: They're.
[01:06:58] Speaker B: They're. They're pushing their poison into me in some way or another. And if they won't stop, I'm going to take that poison and spit it back in their face. But that, that is my way of doing it through that curse is to get it all the way out. All of. All of the hatred or, or fear or whatever it is that's behind me doing that curse. Just like any, Any magic. Get it all out of you.
[01:07:19] Speaker A: Yeah. So you said there's. They're injecting poison in you. Right. And then you might want to take that poison out and put it back on themselves. But either way, that will probably happen just through the natural order of things. Just do the natural order of karma. Like there's going to be repercussions to doing the magic either way, whether the person knows about it or not.
[01:07:40] Speaker B: Yeah, for sure. For sure.
There are, There can be now.
Absolutely. If you're, if you're acting, if your curse is coming from a low, low place, then yeah, you can absolutely expect that, that you're going to get some low for that, and it's going to have some awful effects. If it is coming from a place of love for the self.
I love myself so much that I'm not going to allow this person to continue to attack me, that I'm not going to keep eating the poison that they keep putting at me, then at that point, it seems like it can become a restoration of order. A restoration of order. Harmony.
Now with this, here's the other route that I've discovered that is beautiful is no matter what somebody's done to you, no matter what trauma you're living with, when. No matter what poison is in yourself.
I found a beautiful way through meditation, of giving that over to Kalima, to the Dark Mother.
And it is just like. Because I've found in.
In meditations and yoga, like I've talked about before, that is when I'll have traumas boiled to the surface. When I'm sitting silently is when. When stuff will kind of come up.
And rather than just dismissing it, rather than trying to curse the person who made me feel that way, instead, just give it over to Kali. Just give it over to her. And what happens when I do that? And it is sometimes. Sometimes I'll visualize it, her as her coming in with it. She's got a bowl in her hands, and she comes in and. And gathers all the blood and the poison that's leaking out of me and takes it and she drinks it right up. And sometimes it's not much of a visualization. It's just a feeling of offloading it. Just. Just whatever this is inside of me, I don't want it. I can't take it. Please take it for me. And what happens is, is the.
The pain, the suffering becomes transmuted into bliss.
It's. It's the most remarkable thing. Most remarkable thing. Anybody who has a relationship with Kalima, I' challenge you to do this. Find something that's bothering you, find some trauma inside of you, and just give it to her as an offering. And that same thing that was suffering instantly is transmuted into bliss. And this is the formula of the creation of Amrita. In order to churn the waters, to get Amrita to flow, we've got to tie all of our demons up. We've got to get all of our darkness in a row and use that to churn the waters. And then the Amrita boils to the surface and becomes bliss. And so if you're able to do this anytime that you're able to take the things that are bothering you and turn it over, I'm saying turn it over to Kali. She's my goddess. Maybe people work with Buddha, Turn it over to Buddha, turn it over to Jesus, turn it over to whoever your person, your mediator is.
And that is the spiritual formula for consuming Amrita. That's the way that we possess Amrita is through offering our suffering in order to get the Amrita in return. That's my theory with it, at least.
[01:10:56] Speaker A: Interesting. Yeah. So rather than off ramping it to somebody else, putting that energy on somebody else, you give it To a deity, right?
[01:11:03] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because, because like you're saying I curse that person, sending curses to me, and so I curse them and then if they're aware of it, they're probably going to curse me back. And well, you know, this whole thing, or even worse, even, even if that doesn't happen, I'm still sitting here with all of my anger hoping that that person died, dies, you know, that's, that's no way to live life. Instead, just turn it over and live your life.
[01:11:26] Speaker A: Exactly.
Yeah, yeah. You gotta let it all go, man. Didn't you say that in the beginning? You gotta let it all go?
[01:11:34] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[01:11:35] Speaker A: Can't hold on to that stuff. No, it's all petty, really.
Yeah.
[01:11:40] Speaker B: Everything, everything we experience is so petty. Like all of the things that we are concerned about that worry us and that really rack us.
As soon as you enter into a meditative state, it's like, oh, it doesn't matter.
None of that matters.
It's all just fun experiences and process.
This is one of the beautiful things I've taken away from Buddhism.
I've got my arguments with Buddhism.
I do believe in an everlasting soul and in an Atman that is the incarnated godhood. And that's a bit further of a stretch than Buddhism likes to go. But what I do love is seeing the self and all things that we're experiencing as processes. None of it is permanent. It's all just moving processes. And especially when you apply that to the self, like there is no solid self. It's just a process.
[01:12:33] Speaker A: Yeah, right.
And that's how I see the masters and the sages is they're just 100% in and of the process. There's no way you can get them right. They're not, they're not really trying to fix the process in any kind of way that is pertain to their, their self will. Right. They're like their little mind will. They're always in that Atman. They are the Atman. And they're impenetrable in that way. Right. They are always in that current and there's nothing going to make them budge.
[01:13:10] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, I love watching Sadhguru and then Osho is another one that I love watching for this reason.
And there actually a lot of mystics you'll see do this of laughing all the time. They're always like, somebody says something offensive to them, they laugh. Somebody says something deep and thoughtful to them, they laugh. And Osho, this, this, this reporter asked Osho, why are you always Laughing like that, you seem like you're. You're drunk.
And Osho started laughing even more and says, that's the thing you don't understand. I'm always drunk and I'm always high, but I never take a substance.
And that kind of place, that.
And I can feel that in much smaller measures, leaking into my daily life of just being more. Just happier and more at peace. But that drunkenness on spirit itself, that for me, that. That's like something I seek after and that I. That when I. When I'm able to get it, when I'm able to feel that, it's just. That is sublime. Because it does.
[01:14:12] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:14:13] Speaker B: It's like. It's like they have become.
It's interesting because it's not that they're a step further away from reality. That's not why they're laughing and why they're. It's not that they're detached. It's that they're so immersed into the real reality that the petty things are seen as petty.
[01:14:31] Speaker A: Mm. Yeah. Yeah. I like to say it's not like you are laughing at life. You're laughing with life. You're in on the joke.
[01:14:43] Speaker B: Yeah, right.
My grandma told me that when I was a kid, I was about 12 years old, and she says, it's a crazy world out there, and you got to be a little crazy if you want to get. Get by in it. And I was like, all right, Grandma, she says.
She says, you got.
You can. You can always give yourself a choice. Do I want to laugh or cry? You don't have to always laugh or always cry, but you can just make a choice in those moments. Am I going to laugh or cry? And I find myself laughing at a lot of stuff that a lot of people are crying over. And I'm like, you know, I am a little crazy in this crazy world, and I'm going to laugh at it.
And that does seem to be.
Maybe a mark of the enlightened, is you're not taking it all too seriously.
[01:15:32] Speaker A: Oh, 100.
Yeah.
100 men.
I find that the spirit, we could say the higher self, the higher spirits altogether. I like to say God is the greatest comedian of all time, but just altogether, like the magical element of this life is constant comical in some way.
[01:15:51] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And it's. It's like we've already touched on in this conversation. It's remarkably responsive, this world, responsive to your thoughts, your imagination, your feelings.
You can ask yourself a question that you would like the spirit reality to answer and then just go walk around town and see the different signs that pop up and see the people that might come up to you and say strange things.
[01:16:17] Speaker A: Things.
[01:16:18] Speaker B: It's. It's ridiculous how alive and conscious our reality is. And it's having a conversation with us at all times.
[01:16:27] Speaker A: Yep.
I'm glad you brought that up because sometimes to me, actually, a lot of times to me, the responses are just a joke. It's like it just smacks me right in the face in a way that I couldn't even expect. Like, I. No one could write that better than some higher entity. Right?
[01:16:44] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:16:45] Speaker A: This times where it's like, it's just too good to be true.
[01:16:48] Speaker B: And, you know, I'm not far from. I'm not far from Las Vegas. And I. I love to do. To do that when I'm in Las Vegas because there's so much stimulus everywhere that you'll.
[01:16:59] Speaker A: I'll.
[01:17:00] Speaker B: I'll see the exact answer from the demon Azazel, saying exactly what I want him to say on the. On the. The screen projectors. And then a picture pops up over here and then somebody comes up and goes, hey. Says something that I'm. That I'm supposed to hear. It's.
It's absurd and it's. It's absurd.
[01:17:17] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:17:18] Speaker B: Yeah, it's. And it's like it's playing with us. It's like reality itself is playing with us. When it. When it understands that we can play the game, it starts playing the game along with us.
[01:17:29] Speaker A: But I think that's how we find freedom and liberation. Right? Is we learn to play along.
[01:17:34] Speaker B: Exactly. So I do. I do this experiment from time to time. Time that I call the Creator's journal. And it's something I just pick up and put down from time to time. But I'll.
I'll do it in like, usually a couple weeks at a time. That every day, every day, at the end of the day, I'll write down, what. What did I manifest that day?
What. What. Through my thoughts, emotions, what spiritual thing happened that manifested something that day? And at first it's kind of vague and I'm kind of reaching for it.
Like, honestly, the first few days, I'm kind of making shit up to try to find that. That link. But the fact that I'm putting my mind there starts the process within a few days.
It's nuts how my thoughts will instantly.
You know, I was doing this the first time I started doing this experiment about a. About two weeks into it. I was seeing that if I. If I wanted a specific reaction in my world, All I had to do was just think about it and visualize it as if it's happening. And boom. Ritual spell meditation, just believing that it would. It would happen.
And I'm driving down the road, and I just have this random thought, man, I love my truck. This is such a good truck. I wonder when it's going to start to have problems. Instantly, it starts making noise. Smoke starts coming out of the hood, and I. I pull over, I'm like, what the hell happened?
Mechanic comes and toes it, and they're like, I don't know what you did, but the engine's fried. There's no repair in this. And. And it was like, okay. You know, that goes in the journal that. Absolutely. Because like you said before, we're. We're always casting spells. We're. You know, we're not. If we're not.
If we let our mind and our emotions go wild, it is like an. An untrained elephant, you know, Untamed elephant that's just wreaking havoc and really getting yourself.
Because as soon as you start working, worrying about other people. Does that girl like me? Is she thinking about me? Or has that motherfucker died yet? Or whatever your. Whatever your obsession is, all of that is dealing with a fake reality, a fake reality that really is.
It's all built on attachment. Return yourself to here and now, right? Like, what's in front of you, what's inside of you. And sometimes I'll have to do that with an actual check. I'll, like, have to look. You know, I've got guitars hanging on the wall, and I'll actually look at the guitars and ground myself in there. Touch the table. Table. Because I do find my mind gets way wrapped up into things that might not even be real.
[01:20:08] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, we're all guilty of that, man. That's the path. That's the journey.
We're undoing those knots of attachment. Yeah. And it's always there. Like, there's. It's always sending us messages. That's the thing to get us unattached, right. To stop playing our own game and play along with the game, I guess, of the greater self or the. The greater spirits.
Let me ask you this. I know you got to get going soon, but I think maybe this one might be a good note to wrap up.
Do you think, like, the.
This is a big question, but do you think the enlightened being, the sage, right. The perfect being, if there is. Is hypothetically a perfect being, is one that doesn't even cast spells. They're not trying There is no. They're not trying to get anything out of life. They're really just here hanging out with us, like Ramana Maharshi or Neem Karoli Baba, people of that nature. I'm like, they're not casting any spells. They don't want anything. There's no attachment there. So is that to you maybe, what enlightenment is like?
[01:21:09] Speaker B: Well, on the other side of that coin, we've got folks like Sai Baba who would vomit up diamonds and hand them out to people, and he'd create pounds and pounds of the Virbudi sacred ash created from his fingers just falling to the ground around.
And all of this was just to, I think, a couple things he said it was to show people how impermanent, how malleable this world is.
But I think there's something else there that was an authentic expression of himself.
I have the ability to write. I have the ability to play bass guitar. And so I use those as ways of expressing myself, but also my magic as a way of expressing myself.
I myself have struggled with this, especially being raised Christian was looking at Jesus and going.
He was showing off a whole lot. He spent most of his time showing off.
But a couple things are happening. First, that may have been an expression of himself as a miracle worker. Worker.
Would you not want to work? Miracles would not just be a part of who. Who you are. And then. And then the second thing was the effect that it had on others.
The breakthrough that it caused in other people to see these miracles and witness them or even centuries later to hear. Read about these miracles has a profound effect on others. And so that needs to.
I asked Lucifer when I was 19 years old, I called Lucifer. And I had just barely broken through with learning how to communicate with spirits and receive messages.
So I called Lucifer, and I was like, all right.
According to the Old Testament, the prophets of God have the power to call the fire down from the heavens and to make the sun go black.
Can you give me that power?
And he said, no, I can't chance, because you already have it.
But you have to need it.
If you ever need for fire to come down from the heavens, you'll. You'll be able to call it down. If you ever need the sun to go black, you'll be able to make that happen. If you don't, the sun will mock you and the fire will come down on you alone. Those were his exact words. And I was like, okay. And so there is a thing here of like, do you need to be doing the mirror miracle?
And the need doesn't need to come from a physical need. It shouldn't. In fact, it should be the shakti flowing through you that there's this energy and you've become such an open channel that if the miracle needs to be done, it'll just come through you.
I think it's always a mistake to assume that you're the one doing the miracle. It's always just coming through you. And I think the perfected person would be a completely open vessel. Now with that, I think there's profound things to be learned in a silent teacher, in watching somebody who just sits still and doesn't say anything and doesn't want anything and doesn't ask. That's profound. It's also profound to witness the miracle. And so I think that both of those are perfect manifestations of embodied godhood, and it's not the one. It shouldn't be. Or know that both the miracle and the stillness are needed. And I don't think one of the interesting things with.
As I grew up reading the scriptures, I always had this magical mind of like, I want to deconstruct it and figure out how they're doing these things.
Before every single documented miracle that Jesus performed, he would go into seclusion, you know, 40 days in the desert, or, you know, he'd go out into the wilderness and go fast for a few days, days, and then he would come out of the seclusion immediately, do the ritual, and then just kind of hang out, do the miracle, and then he just kind of hang out, do his thing. But next time he needed to do a miracle, he'd go gather up the energy, get himself to that null space and that silent space.
I would like to think if Jesus was real and these stories are real, that he was there clearing himself and opening himself as that vessel so that he. He could be the vessel for the miracle that needed to happen.
[01:25:32] Speaker A: So, very well spoken, man.
[01:25:33] Speaker B: Thank you. Yeah, thank you again.
[01:25:36] Speaker A: 100.
[01:25:37] Speaker B: But there is, there is a.
As you're walking the path to becoming an enlightened being, you can't want the cities in order to get them. You can't want the powers in order to get them. If you seek after them, they elude you. And so it is this, this, this really tricky thing. And so the, the. The power itself has to. To be the thing that comes through you. Yeah, but I do think. I do think again. I'll just kind of reemphasize. When I think of a perfected person, I think of a, a completely open vessel, a completely clear vessel that Whatever needs to come through will come through.
[01:26:20] Speaker A: Yeah.
And all our needs vary. So my needs are different than yours, and yours are different from Ramana Maharshis, and Ramana Maharshi's is different from different Jesus.
[01:26:32] Speaker B: Yeah.
And you know, the miracle. The miracle that Shiva performed.
The miracle that Shiva performed that got all of the. The original sages together around him and to learn yoga was just sitting still. He just sat still for a ridiculous amount of time. And, you know, day after day, he didn't move. And that in itself was a miracle. And so. And, you know, that was the greatest miracle that they had witnessed ever at that point in their life, which got them all to. To worship and to. To start Lear.
How. And learning what. How to sit still.
[01:27:07] Speaker A: So.
[01:27:07] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:27:11] Speaker A: Powerful stuff, man. Yeah. And I guess one just knows there's this inner knowing that.
That one follows.
At least that's what I find. It's just like this inner knowing, intuitive guidance that one follows along the path when you are following your dharma and when you're not following your dharma and. Yeah, it's always there. That's the thing. It's like this. It's internal compass that leads the way.
It's obvious, kind of like when I'm on the path, when I'm not on the path. I think we talked about that in a little. A little bit in the beginning.
Yeah. Yeah.
[01:27:44] Speaker B: I've got written on the wall back here. So. So I woke up one morning and I came out to the temple and I lit up some candles and was just doing a kind of a morning ritual. And I saw a piece of paper sitting there, and I don't know how it got there, but it was in my handwriting, and it was. It was torn out of a. A notebook and had this message that I'm now written on the wall.
Keep doing what you're doing, for what else could you do? You don't have to find the path, for the path always finds you.
And that. I don't know. Again, don't know where that came from or whatever, but that hit me really hard and enough to write it on the wall and to keep that of, like.
Because there are a lot of. That's a question I get a lot. Like, how do I know what if I'm walking my path or if I'm on the right path or how do I find my path? It's like, just keep doing what you're doing. Like you keep. Keep. Keep struggling with it. Keep asking yourself the questions. Keep seeking that never ends. Like, you never get to a point. You're like, ah, I'm there. No, you just walk your path daily.
[01:28:44] Speaker A: Beautiful. I'm going to remember that one. It's powerful words. On that note, I have a similar story. I was walking a path, like, literally a path in the woods, not near any kind of golf course. And I found a golf ball on the ground one day that said this. I have it next to me on my desk always. It says, keep swinging.
And I was like, okay, that's a message for me right there. I wasn't near. I don't live near any golf course. I wasn't walking near any golf course. Golf course.
And somebody put that message out there. Keep swinging.
[01:29:17] Speaker B: That's amazing.
[01:29:19] Speaker A: I have it right next to me always.
[01:29:22] Speaker B: That's awesome.
[01:29:23] Speaker A: So let's keep swinging, everybody.
100.
[01:29:26] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, and that's the thing. That's a superpower, Andy. That's a superpower that I've unlocked, is that once you figure out what you really want to be doing, just do it. And it's amazing how nobody can actually make you stop. People can try to make you stop. That's what your. That's what your enemies will try to do, is they'll try to get you to choose to stop.
Just don't stop. That's all. You just keep swinging and you'll be.
[01:29:51] Speaker A: That's it. They'll try to get you to choose to stop. And that's the thing. That's the power that's in doubt when one has the. Has the Holy Spirit within is Nothing can harm you. You become immortal, invulnerable, and truly godlike.
Well, hey, man, on that note, I think we can probably wrap it up. This was a wonderful conversation. You are truly a wizard. I really honor having you on.
[01:30:16] Speaker B: Thank you so much. It has been an honor, a pleasure to talk to you, and I hope we do it again soon.
[01:30:21] Speaker A: Sounds good, man. For sure. Keep on swinging, everybody.
You too.
