Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Alright, well, yeah, starting this off, Daniel, thanks for joining me again.
[00:00:03] Speaker B: Yeah, thank you for having me, Gary. Thank you.
[00:00:05] Speaker A: For sure, man.
So before we started recording, we were on the subject of something's going on. You know, there's a shift going on. And then I said, it's the apocalypse. And then you asked, what do you really mean by that?
The meaning of apocalypse, if I'm not mistaken, is the revealing of light.
Let me actually look it up. Do you know, off the top of your head?
[00:00:31] Speaker B: I don't. I don't. That's kind of asked how you meant it.
[00:00:36] Speaker A: Yeah, it means like the revealing in some way. It's.
I know a lot of people associate it with the end of the world.
[00:00:44] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly.
[00:00:45] Speaker A: See if I can find the etymology of it. Hold on, I have to take a quick intermission here, everybody.
All right, so right here, this is the first two words that I get. It's revelation and disclosure.
[00:00:56] Speaker B: Beautiful.
[00:00:57] Speaker A: Yeah. That's what we're in the midst of some kind of disclosure in many different ways, in many different facets of our life.
[00:01:05] Speaker B: I mean, this is stuff that I've been sharing with my community, definitely, you know, in Kabbalah, something I've been sharing with them as well. And it talks all about that concealment and revelation and the relationship of vessels and light and the breaking of the shattering of the vessel and the restructuring of it to hold greater light and flow. It. Not. Not to leave the earth to the light, not ascending in that kind of a way, but actually being a temple for the light to reside in and flow through.
[00:01:47] Speaker A: Right.
[00:01:47] Speaker B: And this is actually an exodus where God, I think, tells. Tells the Israelites. You know, I can't. I'm paraphrasing, but it's something along the lines of, you know, build me a temple and I will dwell in you.
You think that build me a temple means, like, build me a temple and I will dwell in the temple.
But it's really talking about, in a Kabbalistic lens and it's talking about the vessel being able to channel the light of heaven. This is very like stuff that Jesus said as well, you know, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Thy kingdom come. Right.
You know, just in. In Kabbalah, it's called Ketel, the. The crown, the sovereignty in Malchut. In the. Malchut means the kingdom, which is, you know, it's. It's. But it's on earth. It's the receptive aspect. It's purely receptive. So it's like the vessel that receives the light. And there's a whole process of what Kabbalah causes a Sephiroth. I didn't mean really to get into Kabbalah here, but since you meant.
You mentioned apocalypse and revelation and this, you know, disclosure, it's very much the revelation of the light that has been concealed. Light that was always here, but we couldn't receive it.
And in fact, in a way, the light that can't be received is actually experienced as darkness until we stretch the vessel enough to receive and hold it, and then we recognize that it's light. So, you know, like Jesus said in the Gospel of Thomas, the kingdom of heaven is spread across the earth, but men don't see it. It's here, but you have to prepare the vessel. You have to have the capacity. And Kabbalah talks about all these different divine traits that need to be in balance and need to be developed in order for that to occur. But then eventually the crown heaven dwells in the kingdom, which is actually earth God, you know, regains the throne, if you will, instead of, let's say, ego or mind or control paradigms. Right.
[00:04:04] Speaker A: Let there be light.
[00:04:05] Speaker B: Let there be light. Amen.
[00:04:08] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah, man. Getting right into this one.
I feel it. That's what's being disclosed is the kingdom of heaven that we've lived in this whole time. Yeah, it's.
It may seem a little crazy, but I think in that craziness is the revealing for all of us. In some way. It's like.
It's like a. How do I put this? Something's being churned up, you know, like there's a lot of karma being burned off, we could say. And then that. Right. And in that fire is the revealing.
[00:04:44] Speaker B: Yeah, it's definitely a fire. You know, it's.
It's like, again, you can give it all kinds of different metaphors, but it's, you know, in one way or another, it's. It's the vessel being.
Being made, able to hold.
I. You know, I'd say the light of the soul, you know, the voltage of the soul flowing through. And I think that what we've been through, I think, you know, if you. You were mentioning the. I think the Chinese zodiac, you know, I don't know it well, but I know that 2025 was the year of the snake.
And I know it doesn't correlate perfectly to the calendar of, you know, that we use. But, you know, so. So 2025, all the way to February 17, 2026, is. Is shedding time, the year of the snake shedding you know, it's like we're coming out of our old skin. It's very. It's very. There's a tool song called 46 and 2. If you know where he talks about stepping through his shadow and 46 and 2 is like the added two chromosomes. It's like the new human.
Yeah, yeah. It's kind of like where we're at. And now, you know, stepping in through the shadow to the other side. It's. It's exciting. I don't think everyone is right now. I think there's a wave of it and we're obviously aware of it because it popped up before we even said hello.
[00:06:17] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly.
[00:06:17] Speaker B: But each wave prepares the next, you know.
[00:06:21] Speaker A: Ooh. Yeah, yeah, right.
That's a good metaphor.
[00:06:26] Speaker B: Yeah. Because I really see it as overall this one movement, but it does happen in waves, you know.
[00:06:36] Speaker A: So. All right, man.
[00:06:39] Speaker B: I went really right into it, huh?
[00:06:41] Speaker A: Yeah. Where we go from here?
[00:06:43] Speaker B: Into the deep waters.
[00:06:45] Speaker A: Yeah.
So we are being readied to. It seems like enter a new creation. Right. Something. I mean, it's not new. We're just remembering. We're revealing something that's always been there. But to us it's new to the human mind. It seems to be new.
What is this? You know, what is this? Is it a more peaceful way of living?
No suffering, heaven on earth, you know, where are we going?
[00:07:15] Speaker B: I love that question. I think you took it exactly to. To the right place, this conversation. Because to me, where this. What this is, is embodiment and this. That to me is. Says so much. You know, if you don't mind me explaining a little bit about that, go ahead.
Because in terms of like, you know, I'll assume that a lot of your viewers are. Are spiritual, Lee oriented people.
Yeah. And I think. I think one of the things that this means is that spirituality itself is changing.
You know, for example, it can't be.
You can't talk the talk anymore without walking the walk.
You can't perform authenticity. Like there. This won't be tolerated by the new energy anymore. Like, it's just not.
Not. That's not. There's no invitation to that. There's an invitation to be honest and be real and be authentic and.
And be yourself and. And by being yourself, finding that. That there's service that comes from that. It is a service oriented paradigm, but not at the cost of self sacrifice.
And I think embodiment means, you know, like I say walk the talk. So like let's say trust.
Trust can't any long. Or faith. They can't be any longer an idea of, I know life's in my favor, so, you know, so everything's going to work out for me. That's true. That's great. That's wonderful. But in the moment, in this moment, are you following the trust? Are you actually moving with the alignment of the moment?
Because if you really trust, then you're going to move in trust.
It's not a concept that I move with my ego, but I trust that everything is in my favor. No, if I trust really that everything is in my favor, then let's say when a moment arrives that says, don't do that, and then I go like, oh, it's hard for me to not go ahead and do that because I'm really attached to the outcome.
Can I trust that I don't need to do that? Stop. That's not the alignment. You're being diverted. Right? That's like trust in action and body that's walking the. The talk, that's living the spirituality. And I feel like in. In a sense, it doesn't feel so spiritual anymore. It feels more human, more.
You know, it's like, it. It's in things like, can I.
It's not a heaven on earth in the sense of, like, never have anxiety again, never have a challenge again, never have difficulty again, Never have emotions that are difficult come up. It's actually a paradigm of heaven where that can come up. And that's okay.
That's really okay. Like, what was seen as a problem? And in the previous paradigm, we tried all kinds of spiritual concepts to get rid of it or to avoid it.
Now it's like, no, that's. I. I'm okay even if and when that arises. But it's really having that awareness, not just as a concept, but in. You know what I mean? So we can really.
We're more immersed in the human experience, yet really, at the same time more spiritual than ever.
Yeah, it's a merger.
[00:11:02] Speaker A: Yeah. Well spoken man. So it's like a radical trust in that embodiment.
And then in that embodiment, there's less resistance to the goings on of our life, to the comings and going of our life.
[00:11:20] Speaker B: Yeah, that's heaven. Like, I. I think that's. Yeah, that's heaven. Like, because it's. It's not a control paradigm. I think trust is like, almost like the opposite of control in that sense. Like, control says, I will control my anxiety in such a way that it never, ever arises, which actually makes you more anxious.
It doesn't. It doesn't Solve anxiety at the root.
And so all of our paradigms, if you really look at it, they're very control based medicine. A lot of it suppresses or forces the body into a certain state instead of releasing pressure and allowing healing, the natural healing is a bit healing abilities of the body to occur.
Therapists, many of them, see you as broken, not society's thinking, as unnatural.
Right. And so this is a paradigm of control and fixing of ourselves, of the world, of trying to manipulate things to get better outcomes all the time and moving from that slowly. Not, you know, it's maybe not so slowly, but it's not all at once either to, you know, a paradigm of, I guess it's more feminine, it's more allowing, trusting, accepting, enabling, flowing with the Tao or the universe or the divine.
Like I came here to do the will of the Father, not my own kind of thing, but realizing that really the will of the Father is my own.
You know, and it's really, I think the whole societal programming of control and fixing, which is really based on the idea that you're not good enough.
So fix yourself, edit yourself, prove yourself, seek approval endlessly through outcomes, through controlling other people's perception of you. All of that stuff, it's going to come up for people into awareness. Not as a concept, not as something that I can write a book about, but not live.
But actually it's going to, you know, I think the fire that you were speaking about earlier, it's supposed to scorch a little to make you uncomfortable to so that you become aware of these patterns in you and go like, excuse my French, but f. That like I am not doing that anymore. I am done. A lot of times, you know, the paradigm ends. Doesn't, doesn't end in like, I don't know, like a blaze of glory. It can end more like in exhaustion, deep fatigue, anger, rage, enough, you know, those kinds of energies.
[00:14:15] Speaker A: Yeah.
And it's funny because you said it is like a new form of spirituality, but really it's not even spirituality in the sense that we think of it as. It's as you said, becoming more human. And in that sense it's not really spiritual. You know, you're just becoming more authentically human. But it is, it is actually that is the embodiment. It is the, the spiritual embodiment of that. The knowing that thy will be done, thy will be done is ironically so you becoming more human.
[00:14:49] Speaker B: And it's incredible. And it can be disorienting and confusing. I mean, I'll, I'll say for Myself, I've had in the past year and, and even months thoughts like where is my spirituality?
You know, and I, I had to admit that some of it was definitely without me being aware and there's no like whip on my back for this. But just trying to reach high without realizing that we're often trying to reach high to avoid a low that eventually cannot be avoided.
It's going to come up.
Yeah.
[00:15:33] Speaker A: Yeah. They call that the descent in the left hand path.
Everyone follows the right hand path, you know, the ascent. But now I think is the descent taken what we learned from all these modalities and the seeking, you could say, into the human form. That's really what matters. I think it's like, what do we do it all for? You know, what did we ascend for is to come back down to earth. You know, bring the, bring the love back into the earthly plane.
[00:16:02] Speaker B: I think it's so beautiful because it's like extending heaven to include earth. Why should, why should, you know, to use a more religious term, like why should God's love be limited to non physical or yeah, why not? Formlessness flowing through form.
[00:16:25] Speaker A: I mean.
[00:16:25] Speaker B: Yeah. And I think that form, again with that, it doesn't have to be suffering anymore, but what will remain is friction.
This is something I've, I've harped on a lot in my community, that you can have friction in your life and you will, you will. Because just us talking, you might say something that rubs up against an idea of mine, causes friction, but that actually doesn't have to cause me suffering.
It can allow me growth.
And so we want and need the friction because it's like, I always give the analogy of like, try learning to swim without friction with the water. Like you can't.
To learn anything requires some friction. So friction, Everything is friction. Everything is friction. Exactly.
And, and so, so yeah, so friction is totally fine. I think when we see that or frame it that way and we're experiencing certain challenges, sometimes we can go like, okay, that's friction that's expanding me suffering is when I take that and make that into a problem or give it some kind, any kind of negative spin really.
[00:17:39] Speaker A: Yeah. Flowing with the friction.
[00:17:41] Speaker B: Flowing with the friction. I love that.
Yeah.
[00:17:44] Speaker A: I also like what you said about God's love and how we get included in that.
And that's a huge one. That's a huge pill to swallow. It's not like something that is out there in some other realm. It's in heaven after we leave the body. It's right here, right now. That's the grand revelation is that you are loved beyond your wildest dreams.
And yeah, that may sound like a little woo woo to people that don't know any better, but it's the truth. And I think that is the grand disclosure that is, other than aliens, that's the grand disclosure that is going to come about during this lifetime, maybe next or eventually, I don't know actually when, to be honest with you. But I think this is the beginning of us being endowed with God's love and actually living on that wavelength.
[00:18:34] Speaker B: Dude, that's a total heart activation right there, you know?
Yeah, I think that's, that's that I'm totally with you because if the previous paradigm was again, something's wrong with you, that's the basis. So fix yourself, edit yourself, prove yourself, correct yourself, like something's wrong with you, you know, and this, this is often stuff that, that I don't have to say starts in childhood because it may not even start in this life. But yeah, we often have experiences in childhood of not being fully allowed to be ourselves. I think this is the paradigm of being fully allowed to be ourselves. And I think what we realize in that is exactly what you're saying.
God is not, this is society that's trying to that program me or conditioned me into not, not, not even in a blame way. It's just what we came into. But it's an unnatural way of thinking that told me that being me is somehow just, it's not right when it's the most natural thing.
And, and God is the allowance, the invitation, the permission, you know, on the other hand of it to be yourself. You know, even if, if you want to say I, God would say, you know, we had to put words to it like, I created magnificence. You are magnificent. And so this one, this paradigm has no worthiness issues.
This worth is not even a question.
And so you are loved. And even if anxiety arises, you are loved. That doesn't make you less.
Even if fear arises, you are loved and it doesn't make you less. Like it doesn't. It's unconditional. Right.
But this one is performance based, is superficial, is outcome based, you know, it's conditional, conditional. Exactly.
[00:20:28] Speaker A: That's the big difference.
[00:20:30] Speaker B: Yeah, huge.
[00:20:32] Speaker A: And God wants us to be us. God created you to be you specifically and to fill some kind of role for the kingdom of heaven that only you could fill. I know that sounds very religious, I don't usually talk like that, but that just seems to be what's coming up for me. Right now we were all created for some kind of specific, unique role.
And all of your imperfections fit that role too. That's the thing.
[00:20:59] Speaker B: Oh, I love that you added that. Yes, yes.
I mean, yeah, this brings up a few things. Well, first of all, totally, because it's not. This isn't about like unity through conformity. Right. It's about unity through diversity. Like we are one multifaceted diamond, but every facet is. Is unique.
[00:21:23] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:21:24] Speaker B: And that's what makes the diamond as epic as it is, for lack of a even better word. You know, but when you added also the, the imperfection part, you know, I think that what's going to come to light for a lot of people, I think it is coming to life for those who are crossing this current wave of ascension, you could call it, or threshold or, you know, are really, really diving in fully into the new Earth and will kind of end up guiding probably the next wave.
I think one of the things that's going to very much come to light for everyone in this wave, if it hasn't yet, is that all of the shit that they've gone through and their so called imperfections and all of that were actually perfect imperfections in the sense that you needed to go through exactly that to be to it was. You were on your mission the whole time, but you didn't know it because you thought that it needed to look a certain way. You thought that you weren't, you know, acting like society expects you to act. You weren't able to function at that level. You weren't able to hustle. You weren't. Whatever it was that made you feel inadequate actually ever, you know, that that was part of your success story in the end. That's how I feel.
[00:22:56] Speaker A: I like that. Yeah. And that's the miracle of the revelation, right, Is seeing that all the, that we went through was for some reason.
And of course a lot of us go through some man, some deep. That's for sure. But it really is all for a reason.
[00:23:15] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:23:16] Speaker A: It's like you become the alchemist just by seeing it differently. You turn that, you turn the. Into gold just by seeing it differently.
[00:23:22] Speaker B: And I think that's a lot of what we came to do is, is to be, you know, pro transmuters.
[00:23:28] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:23:30] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:23:31] Speaker A: So it's like not only do you see your past differently too, by seeing it in a new light, but then it becomes quantum and then the future changes in that regard.
[00:23:41] Speaker B: It's powerful stuff, you know, it's incredible, dude. And like the fact that we're Having conversation right in the midst of this, like, threshold moment, and we're living it.
It's incredible. It's incredible because I really, really do think that we, you know, deserve, you know, whoever is resonating with this definitely and really, you know, deserves a pat on. On the back for, like, having the courage to.
To step through these times and. And, you know, this. This quantum leap. I mean, just incarnating as a human is hard enough, but like you say, take on some deep shit and to feel different your whole life and alone and all of that, it's. It's not easy, man.
[00:24:35] Speaker A: That's the hero's journey though, right?
Is.
[00:24:38] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:24:38] Speaker A: Not only to be human, you could say everyone is kind of the hero in some way, but also to.
To follow the path, you know, the spiritual path, and really live it out. It definitely takes courage. You're definitely, I mean, personally speaking, the black sheep in some regard.
[00:24:58] Speaker B: Yes.
I think that's another thing, you know, you're saying revelation and disclosure in the beginning, and I think that's another thing that's being revealed is. Is how powerful we are.
Yeah.
You know, because in a way, we can look at like astrology is shifting the times, which I. I have very deep respect for astrology, so I'm not. I'm not gonna, you know, put that down. But I. But at the same time, we could also say that we. In cooperation with the divine, of course, because as the divine, but we're the.
We're the executors down on earth.
What I tell my community a lot is, is teamwork makes the physical dream work.
And I mean, like, teamwork with spirit. But it's also in this regard of, you know, we're gonna, you know, teamwork with our soul tribe or our communities and communities we will be finding and. And all of that. But it's like.
Because there's. I think spirituality has often, especially non. Duality, has often taught this passive approach. Right.
And you know, that's where, like, Kabbalah defers a lot from that. Where it says, like, the divine is asking for your participation because it views this whole thing. It calls it the Great Shabbat, the Great Sabbath, which means that that's the time, it's the period of the Great Sabbath, where creation is complete, but it can't complete without you, without me, without those who are down on Earth, the executors of energy that's coming down from upper realms and wisdom that's coming down, and love that's coming down. Like somebody needs to receive it. The Word Kabbalah means to receive it. And then what it says is basically what's happening is the union or marriage of God as groom, the transcendent with God as bride, the imminent Shakina.
It's beautiful, isn't it? So Shiva and Shakti. Right. And so if we're down here awakening the Shekinah by receiving God, and then, you know, the. The male and the. And the female marry in us, the feminine and the. And the masculine, not really male and fe. Know, the masculine and the feminine, the transcendent and the imminent, they marry in us. Then.
I'm just. I'm just saying our role is incredibly significant.
And this whole idea of waiting on God or waiting on the zodiac to do it for us, it's like, you know, the way Kabbalah would view, like, the planets and their powers and forces moving through the heavens, and all of that would be that the.
There is a specific word for it in. In the Bible and in Hebrew and. But in translation to English, it would be something like, you know, God's army, God's forces.
So it's. It's still all God.
The planets don't have a separate power. We don't have a separate power, but it's their.
It's the power of God flowing through the planets and affecting the earth in a very specific way. So there. That can include astrology without separating the power of, say, Neptune and Saturn from the power of God. That makes sense.
[00:28:48] Speaker A: Yeah, for sure.
And I think there's no higher honor than to be in the army of God and to serve that loving force.
Right. To fight the fight.
It's this warrior spirit. It seems contradictory because.
Right. God's love. But then God's army, what doesn't make any sense.
It's hard to explain, but it is. There is a fight, but we fight it differently than classical terms. It's not like a classical war. It's a different kind of fight. But still, nevertheless, there is a. There is a war going on.
[00:29:22] Speaker B: 100%. I mean, you know, I'm not gonna deny that because I feel like on one level, I've been attacked. My entire life, I've been under attack, you know, and so that's, again, where a lot of spiritual spirituality that is more passive is like, you know, Will, I've heard the. The term from, like, if, you know, Dan Millman's peaceful warrior.
I've heard that term.
There's a movie also as well, with Nick Nolte. It's. It's cool. If anybody wants to check it out. The Peaceful Warrior. And there's a book, and he was in the Olympics, and it was. It's this very beautiful spiritual odyssey and true. A true story.
And.
But I've heard that, that terminology criticized in some spiritual circles, like the Peaceful Warrior, like, how could you be at peace and a warrior. But in the experience, really, I mean, mentally, logically, you may understand. Yeah, that doesn't sound sensical or it sounds paradoxical or whatever, but in the experience of it, paradox is often true.
It's not a conflict. They're both existing.
It's. It's also, you know, because the war is, in a way, a lot of it is finding peace in the attack, in the, in the sense that you're being attacked and, and finding peace and, and digging deeper to find your power, you know, and these are very real battles. I'm not just talking about, you know, I mean, I. I understand battles in the astrals and things like that, but I'm talking about, like, people like dealing with insomnia, with depression, with just a tough life. You know, it doesn't have to be an attack that is necessarily made into, you know, some mythical thing. It can be a very real experience here and now that you have to dig deep and to find your power and your peace. It's a. It's a war in that regard.
[00:31:31] Speaker A: And we're all fighting the war. We're all fighting our own battles.
[00:31:34] Speaker B: We really are.
I think when you, when you get that, that that begins when you've really fought your own as well, it begins to awaken compassion. And I think compassion is the other side of it.
Yeah, I don't think compassion. You know, people say cultivate compassion. I don't know if I could have ever cultivated compassion. I think what the. What my soul signed up for, what God put me through, however you want to put that, that's what cultivated compassion. It wasn't a mind decision of, now I'm going to cultivate compassion.
It was being in pain and being hopeless and feeling lonely. And then when somebody asks me a question and I.
I don't relate to the struggle sometimes, but I have compassion for it because I understand.
I understand.
You know what I mean?
[00:32:33] Speaker A: Yeah. That pain is like fuel for compassion. I think that's why we incarnated is so that we can learn compassion. And there's no other way to do it but to go through it.
[00:32:46] Speaker B: It's huge compassion.
I think, you know, I'll be honest. I think I'm only at the beginning of even understanding that energy.
[00:32:56] Speaker A: I don't think it ever ends.
[00:32:58] Speaker B: I agree.
I don't think any. I think that's, that's, that's another term that I often use when I speak and write is I call it Neverland.
And what I mean is that the mind really wants to land in some final point. Oh, I made it to compassion, so that's the end.
Or this experience that I had right now feels really enlightening. So I made it to the end. It always wants to call it the final thing.
And I say you never land. And so there's no end. So it's more like enjoy, enjoy the ride. And like I said earlier, it's more about being okay with whatever arises rather than trying to get to a point where certain things just don't arise anymore. And you made it, you're at the end, you know.
[00:33:50] Speaker A: Yeah, I think that has to do with enlightenment. An enlightened being I think is okay with forever.
And however forever decides to show itself, there's many different flavors of forever. But I think an enlightened being is okay with all of those flavors of forever.
[00:34:09] Speaker B: And you know, you know what's, what's interesting to me is that.
Yeah, I don't know, the, the term enlightened is, is, is very vague to me, I guess, or cryptic because I'll say, you know, I've had a lot of journey like in my own life with insomnia and when you are at least and the first times you go through it and it gets really severe. And we're very deeply conditioned to believe that our well being depends on sleep and on, on having sleep at all, on how much we sleep.
So a lot of conditioning and, and programming arises when you don't and a lot of fear sets in. I would even say panic and maybe victimhood arises in a great degree.
And the reason I'm bringing this up, this is one of an example of a war, right. That you can fight and find peace and reveal how powerful you are through this war.
One of the things that a lot of insomniacs feel is very, very lonely because they feel like there's nobody else who's going through something like that. And it's incredibly intense. The nervous system, you know, we have more control over the. Not control, but we have more ability to soothe the nervous system and to allow it to heal than we think.
But before you know that you, it, you are adding so much fear and anxiety because you're not sleeping that you're, your nervous system is just screaming. Yeah, the fear actually and the anxiety makes it Worse.
[00:36:07] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:36:09] Speaker B: Yeah. So the reason I bring that up, though is because on my journey with that, I did encounter people and that were going through similar things and I was like, holy moly.
For the longest time, I thought I was the only one. I can't believe there are other people now. These people are definitely, in my view of them, spiritually open, but not necessarily considering themselves very spiritual people, not necessarily reading spiritual books. And yet what they embody in how they move through their insomnia is something that I don't know if I wouldn't consider absolutely enlightened because they are not anxious about anxiety.
They are not afraid of fear.
They.
They found, well, being in the, in the abyss. And they know that if it were to happen again, they would find it again. So it's not like they solved the. It's. Insomnia isn't necessarily solved by now. Having perfect sleep, that's actually very pressuring, the idea of perfect sleep to someone who's not sleeping. It's like it just shows them how off they are, how far they are from a new goal, a new outcome.
So it's more, you know, they've removed any attachment to outcomes really, and they just are in total acceptance and peace no matter what comes. And again, it doesn't mean that they always feel amazing, but they are okay with not feeling amazing. They're totally okay with. There's no struggle.
I think that's the recovery of, of the, of insomnia, but also of, of. Of our wars.
It's. It's not. I feel okay indefinitely now. It's like I'm okay.
I can find, well, being in everything.
I found my power to choose, choose kindness, love, positivity in the midst of something that would normally knock me out.
It's a type of invincibility. And the reason I specifically go. And I know maybe, maybe some people aren't so interested in insomnia. Although I think insomnia is one of the most enlightening spiritual sadhanas or vision quests or journeys that you can have. It's absolutely enlightening if you, if you go through it with wisdom, I suppose.
But what I'm saying is these people are not the normal. Not your normal, not my normal idea, at least in the past, of an enlightened being.
And yet I, I bow before them and touch their, Their feet, you know?
[00:39:06] Speaker A: Yeah. It's like, as you said in the beginning, it's a new form of spirituality that isn't really like classic spirituality.
[00:39:13] Speaker B: And they're so available and human and Humble and kind and compassionate.
And, you know, they're.
They're, you know, they don't advertise it, like, in an. You know, in a spiritual lens. Yeah, but I see it, you know, so that's why. That was my remark on the enlightened being, you know.
[00:39:40] Speaker A: Yeah, it's a good point. Yeah. Someone can be more spiritual and have never read a book, never attended any kind of talk, never listened to a podcast than somebody who has, you know, ran the gamut in all the spiritual modalities.
That's the thing, and I think that's the embodiment that we're speaking on, this whole conversation that's coming about in all of our lives is you don't. How do I put this? Is like. You don't even have to really.
You don't really have to do all the classical spiritual stuff, per se. It just kind of.
I don't know, it's almost like just. It just dawns upon your life, and it's really just about compassion, as you said. And I think it. It is also about how the war is fought. Like, we fight the battles differently. We don't fight fire with fire anymore.
Right. It's a different kind of way to wage the war.
It's kind of like judo moves. You know, you're kind of going with the motions. You're going with the flow of whatever comes your way, rather than resisting it outright. You're with it and think of, like. I mean, I'm kind of going off here, but think about how like a. I like UFC mma, so think about a fighter.
Usually the fighter that is most calm in the cage or in the ring is the one that's in control.
[00:40:57] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:40:58] Speaker A: Is the one that is going to win. Most likely, they're going with the flow of their opponent.
[00:41:02] Speaker B: It's a sort of dance.
[00:41:03] Speaker A: It's the dance that we learn to dance.
[00:41:07] Speaker B: Yeah. I think, you know, in terms of martial arts, maybe it's a bit more of the. Aikido.
[00:41:14] Speaker A: Yeah, Aikido. Or judo.
[00:41:16] Speaker B: Or judo. Yeah. I'm more familiar with aikido. But I also think in terms of, like, the energies that we were talking about before, it's. It's.
It's more of a feminine way of dealing with it and maybe even a more just balance between feminine.
[00:41:32] Speaker A: I got shut off my. Sorry, I gotta shut off my space heater. I'm starting to get hot. One second.
Starting to sweat here.
Gotta go with the flow.
[00:41:43] Speaker B: There you go.
[00:41:44] Speaker A: Yeah. My bad. Was the heat. All right. Counterintuitive. Because it's like really cold out, and I got the heat up high, so now I'm hot. So coming back into a balance here.
[00:41:53] Speaker B: We were just talking about balance. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think. I think what you were saying about, you know, fighting fire with fire, I think it's more.
Now it's more of a. Either more leaning towards a feminine way of approaching it, whereas ma. Fire with fire, with fire is more of a masculine. Like, oh, you did that to me. I'll do that to you. But harder. You know, this is more feminine or even, I would say more balanced. Because, you know, we were saying before about, you know, God's army and. And stuff like that. And there was a point that came to mind as you were talking, you know, that it sounds like harsh God's army or something like that. And we were talking about war, spiritual war.
And, you know, in Kabbalah, they're very, very clear. There's that. There's the right column and the left column of the. The Sephiroth, the emanations, and then there's a middle column. The left column is feminine, the right is masculine. The middle is the harmony.
And I mean, there's so much more. This is like such a general outline, obviously, but in the left column there are energies. There's. There's a quality called gevura, which actually in. In Hebrew means heroism.
But it's usually translated in English towards something like.
More like discernment.
Because it's. What this is, is this energy of boundaries. It's an energy of limiting. It's an energy of severity.
It's an energy of judgment or karma.
Like that is all part of God. And without that, that's part of God's forces.
Without that force, there is no balance. Because the other. On its other side in Kabbalah is something called chesed, which is, you know, grace, loving kindness, bestowal, giving, pouring out, and this on its own, we say, well, that's what God is, right? God is bestowal. And sure, God is that.
But if. If we, you know, bestow goodness and love and divine pleasure, but if we act like that in the world without discernment, if we give without putting a boundary and seeing, like, if I give any bit more, I'm going to be depleted.
Or if we give in a situation where, you know, give. If you're giving, but what you're giving is more drugs to a drug addict, all right, but you're just giving.
We need the discernment. We need the limit, we need the boundary. And also when it comes to like severity and judgment and karma and all of that.
There are periods in our lives where we feel more, oh, this. I'm in a time of grace. Things are easy. Things are flowing. Easy peasy. There's a time of challenge.
If it was all easy, no friction, almost.
You're not expanding. You're at the same level.
Imagine playing the video game and just the same level all the time. It's not hard, but it's not growing you either.
So the karma, the challenge, the severity is part of it, you know, and it balances together.
[00:45:23] Speaker A: Mm. That's what's happening, man, is we're bringing a little more balance to the force.
I think that's the revelation, that's the disclosure.
It's. Yeah, as you said, bring in a little more femininity. We've been way over balanced, way overweight into masculinity over the past few thousand years.
And, yeah, we're bringing that essence of femininity to even it out, even kill it out, quell the chaos a little bit.
[00:45:48] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:45:50] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:45:51] Speaker B: I think as we do that, there is. There's gonna. You know, there has been and maybe will still be a little bit of people confusing that for male versus female. And, yeah, men should be like this, and women need to do that.
[00:46:04] Speaker A: And you can see that already. That's happening.
[00:46:07] Speaker B: Yeah. And that's just. It's natural. It's. I don't agree with it, but it's natural. Because when the pendulum swing a certain way, swung a certain way, and it was like, you know, people are hurting.
You know, women feel a certain way, some men feel a certain way. And then as the pendulum balances, what it tends to do is first swing to the other end, which is more like blaming them. You know, it's. It's trying to get the weight off of me and trying to change the other. And if men were different, if women were different, and then.
But then we, you know, we swing a little bit, and then we start to find the balance. And as we do, what's amazing is that the projection starts to reflect that. The physical reality starts to go, oh, I'm balanced in masculine and feminine within me as a man. I can be now with a woman who is balanced in the masculine and feminine within her, and we. We're in a balanced relationship. I think that the very idea of a balanced relationship is nearly. Is. Maybe we. We think we understand that, but I think it's almost unfathomable to us.
What interesting is.
[00:47:27] Speaker A: Maybe only until we have one and we're in one.
I Think.
[00:47:32] Speaker B: I think because. Because first, in order to all have that, you have to have balance in yourself.
And like you just said yourself, we've been so on the masculine side side.
[00:47:42] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:47:44] Speaker B: Even spiritual people who think like, I have not been on the masculine side. It's been an internalized masculine where instead of going out and. And dominating the world, there was a self domination, self fixing.
Like I said before, self editing.
I'm going to do another spiritual modality and that will fix me. I'm going to. You know, it's like this basis that is false to begin with, that you're wrong, being you is not enough. You got to edit yourself somehow.
That's masculine imbalanced.
[00:48:20] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. It's an interesting journey as a man to embody femininity. And speaking personally, that's been pretty much my whole path is bringing this essence of femininity into my life. Wow. Because before I was very masculine oriented. I mean, I still am, but there was no essence of spirituality that I can think. Femininity that I can think of.
And I think, I mean, this is just coming to light as I speak.
It seems like the whole path of spirituality to me is really coming to terms with my own femininity.
And what does that look like with my masculinity too? That's the thing is like, you don't completely shut off masculinity either when you have those two forces.
I think that's the sage, that's the Jedi right there.
So, yeah, I don't know, it's just like. It's an interesting journey as a man, I just have to say.
[00:49:19] Speaker B: Yeah. I wanted to ask you, how do you see.
How do you see the.
The awakening of the. Like, if you could specify a little bit, if you're willing to. The awakening of the feminine within you.
What is that? How does one know that that's happening at all?
[00:49:40] Speaker A: Yeah, it's interesting query. I'd say it's becoming more in touch with my body, more in touch with the signals of the body and the intelligence of the body through yoga and meditation.
Slowing down, not always having to do stuff. Not being so outward, you know, not having to be somebody. Really.
Yeah. So it's really just like to slow down and sort of submit to the forces of my body, of the world, the signals that are outside of the logical and linear thinking, to put it simply.
[00:50:18] Speaker B: That's really well put, I think really well put. Captures the essence of it, I think.
[00:50:24] Speaker A: What would you say? How would you answer that question?
[00:50:27] Speaker B: Well, first of all, you know, I Just want to say, like, I. I teach a lot of that and I'm a man in the physical.
And a lot of those that I've learned from as well are both men and women. But I'm just saying that point that men can definitely teach feminine energy and sometimes women can't and vice versa. And so I just want to say like this, this confusion of feminine, masculine with female and male is.
I don't think it's serving us. Just because I'm a man doesn't mean I can't guide people in a feminine way or towards their own femininity, even if they're women.
You know, of course there are limits in terms of maybe, you know, women when it comes to bodily stuff. She rather talk to another woman. Obviously, I'm not, I'm not going wild here, but you know what I mean. Right. I think, I think the point is clear in terms of how I would put.
What was the question again?
[00:51:34] Speaker A: What was your question? What does it mean to.
Yeah. What does it mean to awaken to femininity within yourself as a man or just anybody in general?
[00:51:44] Speaker B: I very, very much relate. Related to what you said as a man specifically. I think, I think it really just has to do a lot more with receiving.
[00:51:59] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:51:59] Speaker B: As a way of living, a more restful way of living rather than doing, producing, hustling, getting it, making it happen, forcing it, pushing it.
And again, that requires trust. And I think it's more restful because. And more nourishing and rejuvenating in that sense, and grounding, because if the mind says do and control or otherwise, the outcome won't happen.
The feminine energy in me goes like. We've seen where that leads before.
Even if you do get the outcome, it doesn't really give you what you're really wanting.
You want to be connected, you want to be able to feel, you want to move, you want to move with life. You want to be grounded. You want to feel the abundance. You don't want to just get done with stuff. You want to feel. Feel the abundance. You want to enjoy it. And so it's like the feminine guidance and the trust is more like, it's okay and it's safe to rest now. It doesn't mean that things won't get done.
It's very much like Lao Tzu's, you know, nature doesn't hurry and yet everything is accomplished.
[00:53:20] Speaker A: That's good.
[00:53:21] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:53:25] Speaker A: And on that note, once we tap into our true nature, the masculine and feminine poles, it actually provides power, as we spoke of before. It provides volition. It provides this energy. Like superpowers, really. I mean, literal superpowers. Some may say like cities. But in a metaphorical sense, I feel propelled by some sort of power that I didn't feel before I was on the spiritual path.
[00:53:49] Speaker B: Yeah, I definitely think that that's. That's coming in. I think that's part of the expansion of the vessel.
And I think that the nervous system is adjusting to be able to flow that voltage again. So I think that as we flow more light through us and it does require a different rhythm, a more feminine rhythm or more balanced one at least.
I think that, yeah, powers can come in.
I think the mind seeks power, which means that it doesn't actually have it.
And the other paradigm is connected to that power and is receptive to it. And it allows it to flow through again. It's like God's power, but it flows through each one of us. You know, where it's like we're appliances and God's electricity. And so it flows through each of us, but in a unique way. Maybe I'm a toaster and you're refrigerator.
[00:54:49] Speaker A: Yeah, that's true. Yeah. We all have our unique pattern, our unique formula or blueprint to engage with that power.
That's part of it. That's part of the power that you feel. It's like, oh, I have to.
Not I have to, but I have a sort of role or duty here. That's what I feel. Maybe that's the masculine essence again.
That's what I feel. And, you know, tapping in with the femininity. I feel in through.
Flowing with the masculine essence. In that femininity, there's a duty to serve that power. There's like the. A duty to.
To do what I'm doing. Like, literally right now, I feel like this is my purpose. But everybody has their own purpose. Everybody has their own dharma in service.
And, yeah, it's like just flowing with that. Knowing when to listen. Right. Knowing when to receive the guidance and then acting upon the guidance. That's the feminine and masculine principle. In a simple way. It's like no one to listen, no.
[00:55:52] Speaker B: One to shut up.
[00:55:53] Speaker A: And then no one to go.
[00:55:55] Speaker B: That's the balance. That's the balance.
[00:55:57] Speaker A: The flow.
[00:55:58] Speaker B: And it's the flow. And I think that doing. When it's time to go, like you said, the more masculine, like, get it done energy, when that comes up, it feels good.
It's not exactly. It's not forced. It's aligned. But you also. It's not only to know when to Go. It's also to know that this has been even harder for me is to know when to stop.
[00:56:21] Speaker A: Yeah, right.
[00:56:21] Speaker B: That's where I really needed to develop trust.
[00:56:25] Speaker A: Yeah. So you don't burn out, essentially.
[00:56:28] Speaker B: So you don't burn out. And also, like, you know, I write a lot. Like, I. I write on substack. I write articles. And like, the moment I push beyond, first of all, now my nervous system is at a point where it's like, nope, it will just like, go. Like, it will just not allow it.
You are gonna stop and either move around a little bit or rest or really a lot.
That's. That I've been really able.
A capacity, you could say even a power, although it's not how most people would think of power, is. Is. Is I've been able to really genuinely do nothing.
You know, that's something that the. The controlling mind can't. The achieving mind can't achieve.
[00:57:11] Speaker A: Yeah.
Especially in America, the world we were conditioned into.
[00:57:17] Speaker B: You, you saying America and. Sorry, it just. It just brought to mind because, like, I'm in America and. And it's like sometimes I sit outside and do nothing and I always, you know, I have no idea what my neighbors are really thinking, but. But I. I feel like it looks weird because I'm not. I'm not fidgeting on the phone. I'm.
I'm just not doing anything.
[00:57:41] Speaker A: The art of doing nothing.
Yeah, it's a lost art.
[00:57:46] Speaker B: The body loves it.
[00:57:48] Speaker A: The body loves it. Oh, yeah. The body, the mind and the soul and.
[00:57:52] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely everything.
[00:57:53] Speaker A: We need a little more of nothing.
[00:57:55] Speaker B: That's what we need, what we don't have in society because we're so do, do, do and get things done and never stop. Because if you stop, maybe something will surface and, oh, gosh, you know, we don't want to face it.
So keep going, going, going. But. But if you stop it, it not only allows the system to decompress, but it also is crucial, in my opinion, for integration.
[00:58:19] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:58:20] Speaker B: When are we going to integrate? Like, we're. We're in a sense downloading. God, downloading light at such a rate right now.
When are we integrating this? If we're just doing, doing, doing. So the nervous system says, stop, just stop now. Let me. Let me have my time.
[00:58:36] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. And that's really the true essence of femininity right there, in a very simple and general sense, is just stopping doing nothing.
[00:58:49] Speaker B: It's the hardest. That's been the hardest thing for me, you know, and so I feel like that. That the Fact that that's in the. In the.
It's present now is just. It's so healing and. And, you know, we say sometimes we talk about, like, a woman's touch. There's. We talk about that as something so healing and almost like as salvation.
And I think this is the internalized, the inner woman's touch and trusting, trusting the Shekinah inside of us, the feminine, pres. Indwelling feminine, divine presence in us to. To guide us, when to move, when to stop.
It's not that the masculine needs to be suppressed, God forbid, but it's like the masculine needs to be contained.
[00:59:36] Speaker A: That's what it is, you know, Contain the beast.
[00:59:39] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, man, that's huge. That's no small feat.
[00:59:48] Speaker A: Contain the beast, stop, listen and receive. Receive the download, and then you go forth and dance the dance.
[00:59:57] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
There's one more thing I would add to all of that, which is community.
I think that's like a really important thing to add because I think the part of the masculine paradigm has been do it yourself, you know, do it on your own. Solo help. Help is for the weak. You know, it's like people don't open up to each other. Don't.
You know, trust has also been lacking, not just with the divine, but amongst us, in between us.
And I think community, if you're lucky enough to have a few good friends at this time that can hear you and speak at your level or something like that, I think that counts for a lot, and I think it supports the feminine a lot, because I think that when we don't have support, that's when the masculine goes.
Goes rogue. On the hero's journey, there's being a hero and there's going rogue, you know.
[01:01:07] Speaker A: Yeah, it's a good point. Yeah. And that's why I do. What I do is to connect with other people like you and.
Yeah, build a community.
It's really important. You know, in Buddhism, they say there's the three jewels, it's the Buddha, the Dharma, and last but not least, the Sangha.
And don't forget the Sangha.
[01:01:27] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, the Sangha. I think. I think that's going to just become really, really central. It's something that also in my community, I'm.
I'm telling. You know, I'm really harping on that point that don't take for granted. If you have a place where you can be yourself and speak your truth and not be judged and be acknowledged and be seen and be rooted for not. Not be, you know, not to the extent of, you know, supporting somebody giving themselves a false and pain and hurting kind of narrative where they hurt themselves, like, you know, that's maybe more on me as, as the center to hold the alignment of the group.
But you know what I'm saying, like the, the, this is so foreign to us. I think you mean I can just sit here in a group of people, be vulnerable and feel safe.
I think it takes people time to realize that, that that's a thing.
[01:02:39] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
And that's the glory of the times that we're in is we can do this with the technology that we have.
[01:02:48] Speaker B: Yeah. Although I, I, I do think it's going to come more into the physical with the coming years. But you know, it'd be more like we're using the technology and not the technology is using us because I don't know about you, but some social media has become just like, it's noise. It's so much noise to me.
[01:03:09] Speaker A: Oh. You know, most social media is just noise and distraction.
I like to say I go on X, previously known as Twitter to remind me that we're in Kali Yuga.
That place is insanity.
Oh yeah. I mean it's just, if you want to talk about insanity, just go on X and just look at the popular post, the trending stuff, it's wild. But really all of it, all of it is just a giant distraction or most of it at least 98, 99 of it is a distraction.
[01:03:41] Speaker B: Are you getting like on YouTube more smaller channels? Like I almost only get, well, not only, but the vast majority of the stuff I see on my, you know, YouTube homepage, I, I, it's really a, not that many views, not you know, and smaller channels. And I love it because it's quality stuff.
[01:04:05] Speaker A: Yeah. I think they changed something in the algorithm to be honest with you. But I always have, that's how I find most of my people is just through the algorithm, the good graces of the algorithm. But I have noticed like an uptick of sending more people my way that aren't quite popular.
But yeah, I love it too.
[01:04:23] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:04:25] Speaker A: Times are changing. Yeah. I think YouTube is actually one of the better social medias, if not the best in terms of like sifting through the noise.
[01:04:35] Speaker B: You still have to be very like in cabal we were talking about this discerning quality. Right. And limited I mean because you can watch YouTube like you can stack your watch later videos like insanely. But, but yeah, you have to be discerning. But I think that if you are a lot of videos on YouTube can be very accurate for you, like literally heaven sent or, you know, divinely guided. I've really been feeling that. And I also think that I feel really grateful for the people who are making them because to me, what that shows is there's something very. They're listening, they're aligned, and there is a.
This is something new that I feel is awakening with, with our alignment is precision.
In Kabbalah, it's called hood. It's the quality of hood and it's precision. Like even when I'm writing articles, it's like I can feel like if I use that word or this word, the meaning of the overall sentence doesn't really change. But there's something about using that word that just feels like that's the one to you. It's a precision.
There's again, like what we said about when to do and when to stop, that's precision as well.
Because if I continue too much, that's when, you know, I'm saying things that maybe sound smart, but I'm not really flowing the light. I'm in my mind again, you know.
[01:06:14] Speaker A: Yep. Missing the target.
Yeah.
[01:06:16] Speaker B: And I feel like that's what I'm saying about these YouTubers.
Just I, in a way, I admire that because it took me a lot to develop that.
I was always over giving and overpouring and, and just saying, well, you get the idea, right? You get the idea. In, you know, and in my work I've noticed that precision, when I don't just when I've developed that quality of being precision, size. What I say is precision packs power.
And I think you mentioned, you know, martial arts. I think that fits.
[01:06:50] Speaker A: Yeah, right.
Yeah, exactly. It's not about how many punches you throw. It's about that one punch.
[01:06:57] Speaker B: Yeah, that one. Right.
The one that knocks them out, you know?
[01:07:01] Speaker A: Yeah, I feel that. And that is a word that I've never heard anyone use, but I feel that from people that, that I resonate with. It's their precision in their words that I like.
[01:07:13] Speaker B: It's.
[01:07:14] Speaker A: It's how accurate they are with the point that they're trying to describe.
Yeah, I've never realized that until now. It's like, oh, they just like, what makes a really good teacher to me is like they know how to use their words. It's not even specifically what they're saying. I've probably heard the same kinds of words a million times. It's like how they're utilizing the words.
[01:07:33] Speaker B: Delivery. Yeah.
[01:07:35] Speaker A: It's the delivery that counts.
[01:07:36] Speaker B: And if they're embodied or if they're like.
They don't have to necessarily be embodied, you know, but if they're just connected.
Yeah, yeah. Comes through.
[01:07:49] Speaker A: Yeah. And that's the thing. If you know how to listen enough to the divine flowing through you, that precision is effortless.
[01:07:55] Speaker B: Exactly, exactly. You don't even try, and it just comes out. Like so much of what we spoke about today.
You know, I didn't plan it.
You didn't plan it.
And it's. That's the beautiful thing is that I think planning is also. I mean, there's some room for it in. In physical life, but it's much less needed. It's a control ploy most of the time.
[01:08:22] Speaker A: Yeah.
The best conversations that I have with people, I. We just like, hey, you want to talk about. Yep, let's do it.
[01:08:30] Speaker B: And then it surprises you what comes up sometimes, and it's just.
[01:08:33] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
Yep.
If you just open enough, then just. It just flows through. Like, I have people sometimes ask me for questions before, and I hate when people ask that. I'm like, come on, man, you're already throwing it off. You know, you're already like, I don't know. There's something off about that. Especially in the realm that we're in. Like, you have to just come open.
There's no planning involved. The more you plan, the kind of.
The less authentic it is in some way.
[01:09:01] Speaker B: I agree. I mean, there's. There's a. There's a flow. I think this is also femininity. You know, I'm like, I'm just seeing in. In the eye of my mind right now, like just this woman dancing and like, you know, flowing or like a dervish circling. And it's like, it's a flow. It's not, you know, know, you don't. You don't plan your dance. I mean, you can.
[01:09:23] Speaker A: You don't plan the dance.
That's very true.
[01:09:26] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You just.
[01:09:28] Speaker A: Yeah, you can. There is choreographed dances, sure.
[01:09:32] Speaker B: And that's that as enjoyable.
It is an art form and it has its place. But, you know, I'm sure those same dancers who do choreographed dancing, and by the way, it's an incredible set skill and I respect it tremendously. But, you know, when they go.
When they dance, maybe in their room just to have fun or to just get in the flow or, you know, it's a different thing. Not that choreographed dance isn't fun, but I think. I think in a way, I guess this is the balance point. Because if you think about it, we didn't plan but a Lot of everything that, you know, everything that we've gone through was choreographing, in a sense, was preparing.
So we have, we have two parts. You know, like, if you're a professional dancer, even when you dance just at a party, you might include some movements you've learned in your professional career right here and there. In the same way, like, we've gone through stuff. So some of the things I said, you know, the things that, that I've, that I've. That I've been trained through, and now because of the training, they can just flow. So they're kind of connected, you know what I mean? I think again, martial arts, you train, train, train, but then the actual fight itself, you can't plan that. It's your training prepared you, and now you just got to be present. Totally.
[01:11:05] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. Well spoken. I feel like the theme of this conversation is really just balance, right? The whole time we've been talking about masculine and feminine, the dance of masculine and feminine, in many different ways, I.
[01:11:17] Speaker B: Think balance is really everything.
And that's why I say when we come into balance, I think people don't necessarily realize what, how huge that is and like, how, how relationships that feel, that are balanced, feel.
Just imagine where the giving and receiving is in perfect flow or semi perfect, close to perfect flow. You know, we're human.
And where, you know, another point of balance this Kabbalah talks about is where perseverance and precision meet the masculinity. And it wants to put push forward, just get it done and almost at all costs.
And, and the, the other quality, the quality of precision is about listening. And it takes a certain humility also to go like, you know, like we were saying about before, maybe hear, pay attention, see what's needed instead of just, I have to finish this.
What's actually needed right now. Do you really have to finish this?
What arises in you when you sit with, what if it. Maybe it won't be finished by the time that my mind has set for it or in the way that my mind has already predetermined, what if that's not where it's going?
What if that doesn't happen? Can you sit with that anxiety?
That's why I say, like I was talking about, you know, when we were saying about the enlightened beings, I was talking about those people that I met through severe insomnia, where I was like, this is what they do.
They allow their anxiety. They, they face themselves fully. And I think they live very, very rich and softer lives for it.
[01:13:10] Speaker A: Well spoken man. Yeah.
Face yourself fully.
Yep. And whatever it is, insomnia, anxiety, depression, anything, really, anything that pops up in our life, you face it fully, and then, yeah, your whole life will be softer because of it. It's really just about embrace rather than resistance.
[01:13:34] Speaker B: Yeah.
Yeah. It's like. It's like seeing. It's also the awareness of seeing that I've done resistance. I've done pushing, I've done forcing. It's like, how much more of that do I need to do to show me it doesn't lead me to the promised land? It keeps me in the desert.
I'm still in the desert. I'm just pushing, pushing, pushing. And it's like, I'm thinking, I'm gonna get there. And it's so paradoxical and counterintuitive because you get there by just stopping to do that. It's not that you make it to the promised land. It's like the revelation, the disclosure that we spoke about before, you realize, like, I've been in the promised land. Just stop trying to get there all the time.
And that exactly circles us back around to what I said with Jesus's quote from the Gospel of Thomas. The kingdom of heaven is spread across the earth, but men don't see it.
[01:14:31] Speaker A: Amen, brother.
I think that's a perfect note to wrap this up at.
[01:14:36] Speaker B: I think so. I love it when conversations just make a perfect circle, you know, but it's not really a circle. It's like we met. We. We started at that point, and then it spirals up to the next rung of the spiral. But it sounds the same. But now we've gone through a journey, and we get the same point on a different level. It's just so beautiful. Yep.
[01:14:57] Speaker A: It was definitely a journey today. Man, this was awesome.
[01:15:00] Speaker B: Daniel, thank you for allowing.
[01:15:02] Speaker A: Thank you for joining me today. I.
I really appreciate you. This was. Yeah, this was wonderful. I don't have anything else to say. Do you have anything else you want to say, though? You just want to keep it at that.
[01:15:11] Speaker B: Thank you.
And I appreciate you, too. I mean, you know, you.
For. For holding this container and just allowing this awesome conversation.
[01:15:23] Speaker A: 100% peace and love to you, Daniel.
[01:15:26] Speaker B: Peace and love to you.
[01:15:27] Speaker A: Peace and love.
All right, everybody.
See.
