Awakening, Self-Realization and Seeing as God Sees with Cory Katuna

[00:00:00] Speaker A: All right, well, Corey Katuna, thank you for joining me today. [00:00:04] Speaker B: Thanks for having me, for sure. [00:00:08] Speaker A: So, yeah, getting this thing started, would you be able to give us a little bit about who you are and what you do exactly? [00:00:15] Speaker B: Sure. Well, I think what's most relevant to your audience is going to be the spiritual stuff. So I won't talk about my hikes and my workout obsession and my, you know, I won't talk about all that stuff so much necessarily. [00:00:34] Speaker A: Those can be spiritual. [00:00:37] Speaker B: Definitely. Definitely. [00:00:39] Speaker A: Everything is in some way, it's true. [00:00:44] Speaker B: But I work with Bentinho Massaro and his team. This is one of the major things that I do. He has an app called Massaro University which is like a big online platform for workshops and classes and different programs. So I'm one of the facilitators in Massaro University and I've been on Bentino's team for, I don't know, years. In addition, I co own a company with my friend. She's also on Bentino's team. Her name is Romay. And we host mentorships and retreats for women specifically. So they're curated cohorts of, of like six month retreats for about 30 women. [00:01:26] Speaker A: And. [00:01:28] Speaker B: Those are just some of the most fun things we do. It's, I guess you could say it's based on, on the core tenets of awakening. But we do it in a feminine way, I guess. And neither of us consider ourselves to be particularly feminine women. You know, neither of us would ever join a women's group. I mean, not that I'm masculine necessarily, but I don't, it's not, I'm not like into feminine femininity things, like stereotypical things, but because she and I had such a strong friendship and we've been through so much together and we've had so many like falling outs and, and, and not feeling aligned with each other and confronting each other and talking through things and like the, the ugliest parts of a friendship and the most beautiful parts of a friendship. Just because we've been through that so much in the context of awakening, being on Bentino's team, sort of having everything get brought back to the light thanks to his guidance sometimes or, or just the support of our fellow teammates and friends. I just think we've, we've traversed more territory than most female friends have and then we can bring other women into that friendship. So that's what we do with the retreats. It's, in a way it's like awakening friendship or like, you know, growing together, moving into unity. And oneness through the catalyst and friction of. Of female friendships. So it's like the most. It's like the most inspiring thing I do, in a way, is the work with. We call. Our company is called the Light Touch. And actually recently we just did a little, like, the Light Touch collab with Masara University. So we're bringing our. Our next women's mentorship into Masara University, and we're opening it up for men and women. So. So it'll be 80 people instead of the usual 30. And it's going to be men and women, which is nothing that we've ever done. We haven't done it co ed. We haven't coached men like this before. But we have our fellow facilitator, Mesh, who will be joining us as one of the leader lead facilitators, and we have a few other backup facilitators and support. So it's a new experiment, and we're. We're excited about that. It's called the Shepherding Mentorship, and it starts January 10th. [00:03:36] Speaker A: Cool. [00:03:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:40] Speaker A: Could you get into what exactly you guys do at these workshops in your groups? I know might be pretty in depth, but can you give us an overview? [00:03:49] Speaker B: Mm. Okay. Let me. Let me think of a good way to say that. So. Well, are we talking about the women's mentorships or what we're planning to do with the shepherding mentorship? What are you more interested in? [00:04:04] Speaker A: Start with the woman's, and then maybe we'll work into the shepherding. [00:04:09] Speaker B: So what we do with the women's mentorship. So I'll tell you our three. We call it the Code of Constitution. And constitution means, like, I constitute myself as this. If I get this thing, I am it. You know, like, if I'm. If I'm constituted as a mom, which I'm not, then I am it. I am a mom. That is my life. That is my identity. Like, I am it. Or if I'm constituted as, I don't know, getting a sandwich later today, I am that it will happen, you know, so Code of Constitution is just basically like the code of embodiment. And we only have three of those things. And we teach this first. This is the first thing we teach in our workshops. One of those is I own my trajectory. And this sounds basic at the. At the first impression, but it's deep. And you can take it all the way. Like, you can take this all the way. This never stops being relevant, no matter how awake you are, as long as there's still something to work with. This is still relevant. I own my trajectory. In other words, I am not the passive recipient of my experience. Things aren't happening to me. I'm not just a helpless byproduct of whatever is kind of coming across my way, coming into my experience. No, I'm the owner of this. I create this. I am 100% responsible whether or not I choose to accept responsibility. So this is a hard thing to get. People resonate with it kind of intuitively, but then it takes time. Like, there are. There are just some thresholds to cross to really be like, whoa, shut the fuck up. I do own my trajectory. I am. I did create this. Oh, my God. This, like, annoying thing that keeps happening to me, and those people keep doing this to me. Why are they still doing this? Why is this such a pattern? Oh, I'm doing this. I'm creating this. I'm attracting this because of my own belief system, because of something that I want to learn, and that's that just right there. There's so much. There's so much. So we start with that. That's one of the things. Like, you will. We say something like, you guys won't get this yet. See how much of it you can intuit. And we're going to bring this up over and over and over the course of the six months. That's one of them. Another is that we are on the same team. It's another one that's hard, but you can take it all the way. What does it feel like to actually be on the same team with someone not subtly comparing yourself, not checking, like, ooh, do I have the upper hand right here? Do they have the upper hand? Do I look good to them? Do they look good to me? Who's a little cooler? Who's a little more confident right now? Who's a little more comfortable to not do those types of weird sort of comparison games, but to actually be like, yo, I'm on the same team as you, your base. Your best case scenario is what I want most. My best case scenario is what you want most. Like, you want me to be enlightened first before you. I want you to be enlightened first before me. Like, that level of. Of camaraderie and being on the same team, it's rare. It's just really rare. So actually, I think that's. It's. I think it's the main reason women recognize us and. And come to us and are like, all right, I want to learn that because even in my closest relationships, there's tension and gossip and undermining and just little petty things that inhibit unity. And it's very solvable. That's the other thing that's cool. All these things are very doable. We just don't really have contexts in our daily life to practice. So that's what we do. And then the third one, the third code of constitution is anything that isn't free isn't me. So whatever arises that isn't free, you know, if I feel stuck, limited, insecure, unworthy, separate, and there's so many flavors of this. It's everybody's sort of everybody's insecurity, everybody's resistance, everybody's whatever, core wounds, whatever you want to call that if it isn't free, like, if it isn't just like, oh my, oh yeah, oh my God, I'm free. I'm one, I'm, I'm one with the universe. I'm free. I'm uninhibited. There are no limits in reality. There are no limits. There's no, there's no ceiling that we all feel. We all sort of feel like, yeah, I am in a body. I am, you know, or I am. This is. I am this way. I've always been this way. This is just something I've always dealt with. I'm the kind of person who is not very good at making friends and I'm shy or like that. In no way, if it doesn't feel, if it's not free, it's not freedom itself, it isn't me. So. And really that code of constitution is. It's a self realization one. It's like that. If you take that all the way, if you take whatever isn't free isn't me all the way, you'll realize the self. This is the path to enlightenment. And again, we tell people that it's, you know, it's not. You're not going to get this one right away, of course. We're just teaching you these things up front. They'll be useful on a relative level at first and over time they're going to become more and more useful on sort of an absolute level. So this is how we start. But we have a whole curriculum. We, we love this shit. You know, we're both, in a way, we're both nerds for friendship and what it takes to be a real friend, like a real teammate. [00:09:16] Speaker A: That's awesome. What was the first one again? The first code? [00:09:28] Speaker B: It is let me go backwards. Whatever isn't free isn't me. We are on the same team and I own my trajectory yeah. [00:09:37] Speaker A: Okay. Those are all powerful, powerful points. I think the trajectory one, like I own my trajectory one is maybe the most powerful for me, at least I think that is where. Yeah, I think that's like the culmination of the spiritual path. [00:09:57] Speaker B: I love that. [00:09:58] Speaker A: Right. You decide everything here. And it's very Buddhist, actually. Like, you are in charge of everything that happens to you, it actually happens through you. Right. That's a tough pill to swallow because there's a lot of things in our life that it's like, what I did, this, this is because of me. It's like, yeah, actually it is. And I think that is the maturation process, that's the spiritual awakening really is admitting that you've been had in some way and you've been had by yourself. You've been doing this to yourself the whole time. [00:10:39] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:10:39] Speaker A: So it's. And then I would say the reintegration of that insight is just deconditioning from. How do I put this? Is deconditioning yourself from. The idea of not having control is being at the whim of our environment and the world we were born into. Being a victim, really, and taking the power back, really, it's taking the power back so that one can be free. [00:11:08] Speaker B: So true. It's so true. And it's really common, I think, with women to feel like, especially if they join a new program like this, they join a new mentorship. Okay, those are the leaders, Corey and Rome, they're going to lead this mentorship. All they have to do is like, be a, you know, student, follow along, raise my hand at appropriate times. And it's like. And what we start off with is like, no, no, no, you own your trajectory. Why did you sign up for this? There's something, there's some spark, there's some desire, there's some hunger. Hunger, like intention that you felt and it's what made you pay for this. You signed up for this, you paid for this. You opted in for this. But that's private. That's between you and yourself. You stay attuned to that. You make sure. You make sure you realize your goal. That's. That's on you. We're going to teach everything that we teach. We're going to. We're going to, you know, poke you when you don't want to be poked and, and invite you into things before you're ready a little bit. And, you know, we make it a. We make it a next level training, but it's on you to know if your intention is getting fulfilled. And for Women to just get that permission slip, to just be like, okay, wait, I need to make sure that this is satisfying for me. I need to make sure that I'm getting that itch scratched. Suddenly it makes us into a now we're on, now we're collaborating. Now they're a co creator with us because they're up to something. Like they're on a mission. They want to get this, they want to have this breakthrough. They want that unity or they want that freedom or they want that transformation. And now we get to team up with them and cause that instead of just like you know, offering something over a glass wall and being like, here's what we teach. Enjoy it or don't. But now it becomes like, no, we're creating this together. And that's also what keeps it so alive. Like we never, it's never, it's never a one way street. It's always like we're, we're in this together. We're learning too. So. Yeah, and then you take it all the way, you know, you can take it all the way like, I own my trajectory. I love what you were saying about basically becoming the creator or realizing the truth, that you are at the source of everything, that you are at the source of reality. And that's again a self realization realization. Like that's a enlightenment realization. And but again, if you start practicing that muscle from sort of a relative way, like we do in this mentorship, the muscle itself is universal. So you can practice it in a relative context, like in a social situation. But the more you strengthen it, the more that it applies to these big picture existential realizations later on, which we see it's so cool. It's like it's attracted to enlightenment. [00:13:48] Speaker A: Yeah, I think that's the pinnacle, really. And that pinnacle of you are the creator, you're the one that's creating this whole thing does, it does have its levels, infinite levels, you could say, in this whole thing. And yeah, in terms of social values, in terms of how we put food on the table our entire life, from the moment you wake up to the moment you go to sleep, maybe even in your dreams, you could say, that's a tough one and that's a deep one. But really all the time, you're creating this whole thing as you go. So I do believe that is the pinnacle of the spiritual path. I mean, I think that is in a nutshell, in some way, enlightenment is to be always attuned with the creator mindset. Always attuned. That's easier said than done. For sure. I'm definitely not at that point, But I can feel myself gaining more sovereignty as time goes on. That's for sure. Working our way toward that route of complete sovereignty. Always, always knowing that I am the lucid dreamer of this dream. Right. [00:14:53] Speaker B: So good. [00:14:54] Speaker A: I think that's freedom. [00:14:56] Speaker B: It is. Okay. I love this. And another way to say this, what you're saying, the creator mindset and sovereignty, another one of the ways that I look at that. It's like emptiness. It's like you out of the way. It's like this. It's like opening. It's surrender. You know, you hear people say surrender or receptivity. But at some point in. I mean, if you're pursuing this path, there's a point where you realize, like, oh, I don't need to, like, get something. I don't need to figure this out. I don't need to figure out how to. How to be enlightened or be aligned or be, you know, free or. I don't need to achieve that. It's. It's like a getting out of the way. It's peeling this off and being empty. It's the easiest thing. It's the easiest thing. That's the breakthrough. Most people. It's the. Oh, it's the most natural thing. It's what I actually just am. When I don't do all this other stuff. It's like getting out of the way. It's not this big, epic, divine, graceful lightning strike that may or may not hit me this lifetime. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Everybody can do this. [00:16:05] Speaker A: Yeah. Especially in this lifetime. We have all the tools at our disposal to be guided and directed into that vantage point. [00:16:13] Speaker B: It's so true. [00:16:14] Speaker A: It's really like, if you want it, like, how bad do you want it? How much more do you want to suffer, essentially? [00:16:21] Speaker B: I love that point. [00:16:23] Speaker A: Yeah. Emptiness. That's where it all comes from too. It's not like you have to do anything or add anything into your life. That's the beauty of freedom, is it comes from this point of ultimate potentiality. Right. Ultimate potential comes this ultimate kinetic force. That's Shiva and Shakti right there. [00:16:45] Speaker B: It's true. [00:16:45] Speaker A: It's so simple. It's so easy. As you said, we gloss over it, but hidden in plain sight. Always. [00:16:53] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. [00:16:56] Speaker A: Now, what do you say are, like, practices and modalities to acquaint oneself with this ultimate potential point? God. [00:17:08] Speaker B: Well, okay. One thing that comes to mind to share is Bentino. My friend, my teacher, just released a book. It's free. A free book. And there's this section at the end that are the 55 keys to awakening. I think it's called. I hope I. I hope that's what he calls it. But it's 55 keys and they're just, they're just tools. It's just like try. Put everything that you're aware of into. Into a container and continue to get behind anything that you're aware of is one. Again, I'm paraphrasing, but that he's got 55 tools keys like this. So you can't, you pretty much can't get through this whole section of the book without one of them getting through without one of them landing. So the first, the most important thing is you just have to want to. Like you said that you just have to actually. Do you want a breakthrough? Do you want to like sort of pierce the veil and be like, oh, oh, oh, oh. Oh my God, it's so obvious. How did I forget? It's what I am. Do you want that? Most people don't even know about it. Then after that, most people don't think it applies to them or don't think it's accessible. And then even after that, if they do know about it and if they do think it applies to them, they still don't quite think like now's the time or they don't think it's going to be very easy or they, you know, so there's like a few thresholds to get over. But if you want it, if you want it, if you, if you just like, okay, fuck it, I'm not ready. I don't, I don't think it applies to me still. Who cares? I want it. I'm curious. There, that's it. That's the prerequisite is desire will just. I want to. I'm interested, I'm curious, I'm fascinated. I want to break through. Even if I never use this again, even if this is woo woo nonsense. I'm just curious. Let me spend three hours today trying. So this to me is like, this is the first and most important modality is just try. Just try. Like use your effort. Be interested. [00:19:07] Speaker A: Curiosity. [00:19:08] Speaker B: Yeah, try. It's like the biggest missing thing even in people who are on this path. It's like weeks will go by and they haven't even tried. They just think that because I'm on the path, I'm on the path. No, there's something so beautiful about just like applying yourself. So that's the first thing. But you asked about modalities. The one I use recently, although maybe it's not so relevant at this point. I'll tell you the one I use then. I'll tell you the one that I first used that, like, created the breakthrough for me. Currently, what I use is the word innocence. I know it doesn't sound like much, but innocence, if you. If you sort of look at it at the full extent, like the full extent of the word of innocence to me feels like zero. Manipulation of the situation, including interpretation. I'm not even interpreting what's going on. I'm not expecting one second beyond the immediate moment. No interpretation, nothing added, no manipulation, no. No agenda. Just innocence. Like, just immediate presence, openness, availability, immediacy that can kind of like crack me open at any moment. So that's what I use right now. If I just need to remember. I got the feeling you wanted to say something right there before I go into the. [00:20:30] Speaker A: I was just gonna say. I like that a lot. [00:20:32] Speaker B: Okay. [00:20:33] Speaker A: I do. Yeah. Innocence, truly. But we think of innocence, like. I mean, this actually aligns with it. We think of innocence like a child. That's what I think of. At least childlike innocence. But it is that, you know, unless you become like children, then you'll never enter the kingdom of heaven. [00:20:47] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. [00:20:49] Speaker A: Yeah. That's it. That's all I wanted to say. [00:20:52] Speaker B: Awesome. And the first thing I did, the first modality, although I don't know if it's so much a modality, but more an inquiry, was I was looking for can I be aware of what's aware? Like, can I do that? Right. Of course I'm aware. I know I'm aware. Blah, blah, blah. We all know we're aware, but, like, can I. So basically, it feels like, yes. So I have awareness. Like this. Here's my thing. It's like awareness coming out from this point. The point. And awareness comes from here. Can I turn that around and look back at itself? Can I do that? That was my inquiry. It was just like, can I. Let me see. Let me sit here. Let me sit still and, like, see if I can use my imagination, like, open up my mind to get that direct experience. Can I turn awareness around to be aware of itself? That the. That the subject and the object become the same. [00:22:01] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:22:02] Speaker B: And the way it felt was. Was. It was very funny. I remember it feeling almost like I had a straw sticking out of my middle of my forehead. Like a. Like a straw, you know, like a tube. And it felt like I had a pencil that I was trying to, like, stick into the straw. Like, you know, it was, like, so hard. Like, I couldn't. I could almost get it. I could. Like, I just couldn't quite. It was like, oh, is it there? Oh, wait, hold on. And I kept kind of coming up with like. Like the pencil kept slipping out. That's what it felt like. And then at some. It touched. I became aware of awareness, and it was like the whole thing just collapsed. Like, the whole. There was no subject object. I was just, for a moment, awareness itself. And it just felt like, oh, like, aha. Oh, yeah, duh. Exactly. Duh. That's what I already was. That's the most obvious thing is like, oh, yeah. Oh. Oh, my God. So. So that's how it felt. And I practiced that a bunch. Also with the help of Bentino, also with the help of various books, I, you know, or YouTube videos, just really finding a million different ways to. To practice that exact muscle. Aware of awareness. Aware beingness. Bentino, we just had an event tour in Europe, and one of the ways he described this was, Let it be obvious to you that you exist. What an interesting way to say that, huh? Like, what an interesting prompt. Let it be obvious to you that you exist. Let the fact that you exist be obvious. Isn't that just so interesting? I could contemplate that for hours. [00:23:46] Speaker A: It's kind of funny because for most of us, it's not obvious. Yeah, we're too busy trying to exist as something, but just the simple fact of existence itself, again, it's hidden in plain sight. [00:24:01] Speaker B: Exactly what you just said. Yeah. [00:24:06] Speaker A: But that is where the power lies. [00:24:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:10] Speaker A: Yeah. So, I mean, is that all done through meditative practices? Like, do you guys practice meditation? [00:24:23] Speaker B: Different people like meditation, you know, I don't ever pretty much just, like, sit still and meditate. So I don't know. Like, it's not. If you're asking, like, if you guys, as in, like, the team or the facilitators. In mu, there are some people that are like big meditators, like, long, you know, meditating hours a day. I've done that for spurts, like in different retreats or different contexts or, like, when I'm sort of going through something that I need to. I need to crack the code. But for me, no, for me, it's more like contemplation. It's like while driving, I'm. It's like, it's. I'm using my, like, the power of attention to do different things. It feels, you know, it's like I'm trying stuff. I'm. I'm engaged and that can include total relaxation or total surrender or total innocence. You know, using my attention to make itself obsolete in a way, like to just like have no object of attention, like to, to totally back off, totally back off with any of my interpretations. So there's so many things you can do with your attention and it's not really fun or interesting until you start. And then once you kind of start doing this and you're like, oh my God, this is the. These are the feelings that I've been seeking through pursuit of different goals. What? Wanting different reactions from people, validation from people, romantic relationships, achievement of xyz. This is what I was looking for. This peace, this freedom, this stillness, this total generosity, total love and compassion and oneness with people. This is what I was looking for. So that's when it starts getting fun, is when you start sort of noticing those experiential fruits. And then for sure, I mean, if everybody had like a basic training in this, people would say, like, this is so accessible, this is so available. It literally comes down to even just trying. [00:26:15] Speaker A: Mm. Yeah. And I do believe that is something that we all seek, whether we know it or not, whether it's conscious or not. In all the goings on of our life, we're all looking for that unity in everything that we do. We're all looking for God in the outside world. [00:26:35] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:26:36] Speaker A: Once you just turn the, the camera lens back on itself, you'll see where God really is. [00:26:43] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:26:44] Speaker A: Yeah. And then once you see it that way and maybe you can attest to it, there's no going back. It's just you may get lost in the matrix. Personally speaking, you know, I get lost in the sauce sometimes. For sure, I'm not perfect. But, but once you like, touch upon it, right. Once you taste the sweet nectar of the all pervading consciousness, unity, love, God, whatever you want to call it. It's like a switch that flips on in your head that doesn't necessarily ever switch off. The light may dim for sure, as I said, but it's always on no matter what. You know what I'm talking about. [00:27:22] Speaker B: Absolutely. And this, this is, this is also. This is one of the things I talk about in coaching and in some of the mentorships is, is, is a mechanism to help you remember that. So basically, when you access something like that, that feels like, oh, like undeniably true, like this is true. This, this blows out of the water any scientific truth that I might find. This is a different paradigm of true. This like changes what true can even mean. When you find something like that, plant a flag. Just plant a flag and use your mind to remember it. You use like, remember that. Just remember it even if you don't have direct access to it. That's something to trust. That type of truth is something to trust. I mean, and this comes back to the emotional guidance system, which is, I think people talk about this in different realms of spirituality, butino certainly talks about this. I teach about this. But basically, and it's a tricky thing to explain because there's so many. It's so easy to poke holes in, but the mechanics still apply. The better a thought feels, the truer it is. And I know everybody's minds right now are just like poking holes. Poking holes, debunking. I get it. Me too. And the worse a thought feels, the more false it is, the less accurately you are seeing. So the worse you feel, the thoughts that associate with that bad feeling are more biased, they're less accurate. It's, it's less as reality actually is and more through the separate contracted lens of an ego. But the better you feel. And again, there's some of the holes that people might poke would be like, well, yeah, what about when you're like tripping balls on meth and you're, you know, is that true? So, so I basically, I want people to extract from this what's, what's useful and then just use your common sense not to apply it to the dumb places. That's all I can say. Just, just use what's useful from this and ignore what's not. If you have the, I mean, I think that takes, that takes some intellectual discipline in a way to just be like, okay, I'm just going to take from this, this mechanism what I can use and I'll let go, whatever if it feels like, okay, well, what about this? What about this? What about this? So, so anyway, the emotional guidance system is that the better you feel, the better a thought feels, the more true it is. The more you can count on it. The more that's actually you seeing reality as it is. It's using as God sees more and more. When you feel completely free, when you feel completely empty, that's, that's one, that's one and the same as seeing without filter, seeing without ego, seeing as God sees seeing reality for what it is, seeing the truth. And when you're completely distorted and biased and feeling depressed and feeling like nobody likes you and there's nothing good about your life and you're worthless and it's just the most biased, you're just completely wrong. Completely wrong. And people go through this. Every single human goes through this. Everybody goes through these phases of like women go through it before their period every month, or most of us do, but people go through it just all these different phases. And there's some relief around knowing the worst I feel I can just dismiss that. I can just be wrong. Like when I feel awful, when I feel so separate, I can just be like, okay, no, I'm. I'm wrong. I don't need to, I don't need to latch on to that. So one of the things we teach is when you have these epiphanies basically of awakening and clear seeing, just remember that like know, trust the, just trust the mechanics that that's true. Like you're seeing correctly. You've got it right right now. That is as it is. That is how life is. So even when you fall back into stuff later, even it's just, even if it's some back part of your mind that remembers, but that was true. I do know what truth feels like. I do know what truth looks like. I know what it's like beyond the veil. I know what it's like when I'm not under the burden of all these beliefs and thoughts right now. And I mean, and I agree with what you say about you can't really unsee it like having penetrated that once you can't forget, you can sort of convince yourself that you were just on a high or like having some sort of cool super woo woo thoughts, but you can't unsee it. So. And then this is like, just to supplement that, we encourage people to like trust it, you know, trust that what you saw from that state is accurate. [00:32:02] Speaker A: Mm, yeah. Once you see as God sees, you don't go back. No, I like that though. I've never heard that before. You're seeing as God sees. Also too, I want to say this. There is a process of discernment that comes from following what feels good in terms of emotional states relating to truth than getting high on meth. We both say it feels good, right? But it's a totally different kind of feeling good. [00:32:35] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:32:36] Speaker A: So yeah, it goes in depth in terms of where and how you feel it in the body. And the feeling good of this bliss satchitananda state is totally different than pleasure. It's totally different than hedonism altogether. I mean, we just have like a saying to kind of overarch it in the English language in terms of it feels good, but it's kind of like better than good. I don't know how to explain it. Like this feeling of moving closer to. Truth is, it's not related to pleasure. I'll just keep it at that. It's a lot different than pleasure. [00:33:12] Speaker B: Totally. There's like a whole. It's a hierarchy. There's a. Mm. It's like the difference between like what feels better eating cake or working out. There's a hierarchy there. [00:33:25] Speaker A: No. Yeah. [00:33:26] Speaker B: Like it's a hierarchy. Or what about like every single day eating cake consistently, like, yum, that was good. Versus working out. @ that same point when you could have been eating cake, you're working out and it doesn't feel good. It doesn't feel good to work out. In fact, it feels hard and painful and like sweaty and inconvenient. It's not. Yeah, but what is that? Like? I love that you bring this point in because that is some of the deeper, more subtle work. It's the discernment of that hierarchy. Like there's a. There's something that feels like honor and self respect and self knowing and mastery and like I'm living the life I want to be living. That is a totally different type of feeling good than hits of. [00:34:08] Speaker A: Gratification. Mm. Yeah, it's interesting, right, because we talk about taking the power back, sovereignty, freedom, but within this freedom we actually seem to go toward less hedonism, less pleasure, less live and let live mentality and more toward the hero's journey, more toward going into things that aren't necessarily fun per se, but feel good at a deeper level that we know is purposeful. I think like living for more than just. [00:34:38] Speaker B: Ourself. [00:34:39] Speaker A: It's. You're living for something that isn't necessarily like just for you. I mean, working out is just for you. But you could say, I don't know, in terms of your like your literal work that you do on a day to day basis. Is it, is it all just for you? Is it all just for a paycheck or are you working for the paycheck for sure? And also on top of that, you're working for other people. That's just another example. I think that comes from this. It's like, where does it come from? And you mentioned this in the beginning, like your intentionality. Where does it all come from? I think that changes in terms of when you see as God sees. It's like, what are you living for? And I think it all comes down to like you're living for something greater than just yourself and trying to feel good. Right. That's the baseline for our whole World that's the baseline for materialism altogether. The Western world, most of us, like, the pinnacle of experience is I just want to feel good today and not feel bad. That's it. I'm not judging, I'm talking from experience and where I came from. It was like, what can I do today to feel the best in terms of pleasure and hedonism. But once you wake up, it's like, life's a little bit more than that. It's a lot. Bit more than. [00:35:53] Speaker B: That. Actually needed that. No, like, I had that. [00:35:55] Speaker A: Too. [00:35:55] Speaker B: Yeah. It's like you need to go through that where you do figure out how to sort of self regulate, feel good, feel sort of confident, feel like, okay, I can, I can hold my own in this life. And then this is the natural progression. It's like at some point that starts feeling bad. But when I was 15, learning how to feel good felt good, like, that was what was relevant, that was what was most. That's what I needed to learn. But I, I totally think you're right, that for the most part nowadays that's still where people are at, is like just trying to feel like relatively good and to not feel bad or to sort of reduce suffering and to sort of position themselves for like slightly more success as opposed to coming back to like, wait, what is my life for? Like, if I could just like pause everything, like, turn, pause time, freeze. Hold on, what the hell am I doing here? What is the point of this? I mean, and I would say this even to people who are, who are hardcore pursuing self realization, which can be very like solo and, you know, monk mode, and just, I'm just, I just want God, I just want God, I just want God. I just want oneness. I just want the absolute, which is amazing. But then that's where you come from. That's what you already are. So what is your life for you already are, that you can't get rid of that no matter what, no matter how many lifetimes you suffer, that's still what you are. What is this life for? And I mean, I think it includes self realization for most of us, or for many of us, at least, the sort of seekers among us. But even for the people that think, oh, no, it's just, it's just to realize the absolute. I think the more they go along that path, they'll realize like, oh, that even that has a little bit of vanity in it. Like even that comes from some lack or from some hedonies. How do you say it? [00:37:44] Speaker A: Hedonism. [00:37:45] Speaker B: Hedonism. [00:37:46] Speaker A: Hedonism. [00:37:48] Speaker B: Yeah. And what's truly fulfilling? Like, if I actually look at this hierarchy of feels good, it's about self transcendence and devoting my life to something greater than. Than me or. Or, you know, the obvious things that I can. [00:38:03] Speaker A: Affect. Yeah. It's about servitude. [00:38:07] Speaker B: Right. This is what we're teaching in January is the shepherding mentorship. About. [00:38:13] Speaker A: Shepherding? Yeah. Yeah. I feel like one naturally becomes the shepherd. One naturally becomes the servant. Like, you have these realizations and it's helped me so much in terms of how I see my life in the world and everyone around me. It's like, how can I not. How can I not at least try? How can I not at least throw it out there? How can I not at least offer others to come along? How can I not try to shepherd others? You know, I think that's the second half of the spiritual path is step one is the realization or realizations, and step two is serving others that you saw aren't really the others in your. [00:39:01] Speaker B: Realizations. Beautiful. I love. [00:39:03] Speaker A: That. Right. Do you feel like this subtle obligation to. [00:39:08] Speaker B: Serve? See here, let me see. I like that question. I haven't thought about that before. I feel like my greatest allegiance is to, I guess you could say God. And I know that word just doesn't do the trick for a lot of people. So we can also say source or. Or the self or truth. So that's what I feel that when I'm sort of out of integrity to. To God or to source, I feel that as suffering. So this obligation to serve, I wouldn't say that like I feel a personal or like social obligation to serve. I also don't respond. I don't. I don't like if people really expect me to. To do stuff. If people are like, hey, you know, we expect you to xyz. That doesn't. Like, I don't feel that as pressure too much. I can kind of shake that off. So in terms of like societal obligation or expectation, it's more. It's more the obligation that I feel from God. The, the. The. Or the inner. Like, what am I built for? What is my life for? And. And there's just this cool thing when I attune to that. It can feel for a second like, shit, I need to do more. I need to do this. I need to. I've got, you know, I have to. But then the first instruction is not ever about what I need to do. It's never that. That's always my mind's interpretation. The first instruction is Presence and innocence and openness and stillness. And like, that is. The instruction is to be a channel. No, it's to be receptive and open and to be an instrument of God. That's the instruction. So when I feel any sense of obligation, like, if I feel like, I don't know, any sort of pressure or like I'm falling behind, it's really my cue to be like, oh, wait, I'm just, like, not listening. This is my ego, my mind, my sort of this, like, imposter self interpreting something true. Interpreting it, making it into something. And then now I'm, like, trying to micromanage and control my life, which doesn't work. And I feel suffering immediately. It creates stress immediately. And I just know that stress is a lie. Like, fear is a lie. Stress is a lie. It's not. That's not a. There's no sourceful data in that. So the instruction is actually to just be like, hang on. Usually for me, it's like, okay, I'm stressed. I don't have enough time. There's too many demands on my attention. Get really available. That's the answer is like, hold up, slow down, slow down. Let me get really available. Let me, like, go around people. Let me sit down without my phone. Let me. Let people come talk to me. Let me be available. Like, let me just open up to the present moment instead of, like, paddling for dear life and, like, trying to catch up and swim and hit my tasks, you know, so. But I. I know this very well. I know that sense of feeling like I have catching up to do. I think it's so human. It's like, such a conditioned thing, maybe especially for Americans. [00:42:34] Speaker A: And. [00:42:36] Speaker B: Yeah. And the. The antidote has just been. It's like, oh, I'm not listening. Like, this isn't. I'm not. I'm not following instructions right now. I'm not open. I'm not transparent to. [00:42:47] Speaker A: God. I know what you're saying. Yeah. Obligation might be a rather strong word. I like instruction. It's. [00:42:56] Speaker B: Good. Okay. [00:42:57] Speaker A: Nice. Or maybe just like a poll, like, I feel so in that availability, there is this. I don't know, what's another word for obligation? I have to look that up. Can't think of anything right. [00:43:10] Speaker B: Now. Duty or. [00:43:12] Speaker A: Duty. I like duty. Yeah, duty. There's this. Like this. Yeah, this is duty. To just be there for people. And it's not, like, out of. Because I gotta be the savior. It's not like that. It's just natural. It's effortless. It's like when I'M serving God available in an instrument for God. I'm serving others. And that's very Christian. You know, that's like. That's the New Testament right there. And that's just how it comes about in embodiment. It's not necessarily like a humanly obligation, like, I gotta do this so I can get this. It's. It's just. That's just how it be, man. I don't know how else to explain it. Like, when I'm one in seeing as God, I see how I can love others quite simply. It's. Without even thinking about it. That's the. [00:44:07] Speaker B: Thing. It's. Because it is you. It is your mission. It is what you. What you came here with. Like, that's your. You designed that already. Like, before you even designed your body and yourself and your mind. You. You create. You had an intention, you know, an intention to serve and awaken and uplift. So I, like. Actually, now I get why you use the word obligation. Because it's like, that's what I'm here for. Like, I'm. I'm here on a mission in a way. And I know that already will, like, trigger people and be like, you know, oh, my God, so much to do this a mission. But there's truth to that. Like, I think there's a lot of truth to that, is to just, like, for. For as we awaken, to more and more just pay attention to that original spark. Like, what am I? I felt this since I was a kid. You felt this since you were a kid? Any seeker has felt this since they were a kid. Just that knowing. It's like, hang on. There's something that I'm tracking in people. And I noticed this, and it feels like, whoa. I'm getting clues all the time about what's relevant and what I want to see more of and what I'm here to offer and. Oh, an opportunity to give. So the more we. The more we can hear that. Like, to hear those subtle instructions from our own higher self or from God, it is like an obligation. But it's not a. It's not a forceful obligation. It's just a. It's just like, what you're here. [00:45:25] Speaker A: For. That's. [00:45:26] Speaker B: It. [00:45:27] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. Now, do you believe we all have, okay, simultaneously the same mission, but also our unique mission. So we all have a collective Dharma. Right. But we also have, like, our individual dharma at the same. [00:45:46] Speaker B: Time. Yeah, for sure. That's. I couldn't have said it better. Okay, good. [00:45:53] Speaker A: Answer. [00:45:54] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, so everybody is here and for some reason I'm making the distinction between like seekers and non seekers. I don't know how true that is. In a way, I think everybody, like, I think I just noticed that there are people that are like attuned this way, that are. [00:46:14] Speaker A: Just born this. [00:46:17] Speaker B: Way. Yeah. I guess they're hungry and they're curious and they want to awaken and they're, they're following that breadcrumb. Like I've been, I've just been like on this breadcrumb my whole life. I'm sure the same is true for you. I know many people for whom that's. Then I know a lot of people who are just like, can't relate to. [00:46:31] Speaker A: That. Yeah. So I mean, I think that gets into past lifetime stuff, to be honest. But that's a rabbit hole in. [00:46:38] Speaker B: Itself. I believe that. So. But I do think ultimately we all have the same mission, which is to go home, to return to what we are and to learn and route, To unite back in the oneness that we all come from. But there's that whole hero's journey, you know, there's this whole learning curve that we, that we get to spend many lifetimes on. And that's where I think there's some diversity. Like that's where, you know, we all have our sort of different parts. Yes, it's the same mission, we're coming to the same place, but then it's like a million or infinite different expressions, lessons, interactions. There's so much diversity there. And yeah, so it's like that's the, that's why it's so important to like be open. Because in a way, when you're transparent, when you're innocent, when you're surrendered to God, you're surrendered to the same thing as me or to, as your neighbor. Like, if we're all surrendered at the same time, we're all surrendered to the same thing, but then the instructions will be different. And that's, you know, and what's so cool, what I've noticed with my team at least is, is all of us, as we've done this more and more, through self realization and through practice and through working together, is the more we are guided by that same intelligence, the more distinct we are. It's so cool. Yeah, it's like the more. Yeah, isn't it? It really is. It's like as I become confident, I just really become this expression. As I become free and empty and open and compassionate and you know, all the everything that comes from connecting to that same stream, I really become much more Like Corey. And so. And what people I think, would think is that. No, you. Oh, everybody's just going to become, like, drones. Everybody's going to become. Oh, you're just, you know, meditating and, you know, having your Kundalini thing. Exactly like that person. Exactly like that person. And everybody's just kind of like mirror images of each other. And it's the opposite. It's like everything gets more unique. Everything. And it becomes more compatible, too. It's like the whole ecosystem becomes this. It's like all the ground gets. [00:49:00] Speaker A: Covered. Yeah. Becomes very. [00:49:03] Speaker B: Novel. [00:49:04] Speaker A: Yes. That's the beauty is we, all right, we build our novel adventure here. It's like a. Create your own. [00:49:11] Speaker B: Adventure. [00:49:12] Speaker A: Totally. Yeah. And only. This may sound corny, but I'm gonna say only you could be you. There's only one Cory, there's only one Gary, there's only one Buddha, there's only one Osho, there's only one Jesus. And only they could fulfill their instructions. Even though, as you said, it's the same mission, the same destination per se, it's different instructions. We can take a little bit from all of these other people's journeys, but I think it's like, don't take too much. Don't try to be like anybody else too much, because you have to honor your. [00:49:43] Speaker B: Uniqueness. [00:49:44] Speaker A: Yeah. There's etymology in there. Uniqueness. [00:49:47] Speaker B: Unique. [00:49:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:49:50] Speaker B: Yeah. And. And you can trust it because a lot of time that sort of uniqueness is a. Or like, you know, this is just my. This is just me. This is just who I am. I'm just. That can become such an identity, and it can be. It can be a cop out, and it can prevent you from actually entering your true expression, like your true uniqueness, because you're so sort of attached to. This is just the way that I am. I, you know, I am this type of person. I'm. I'm stoic or I'm a yogi, or I'm. I'm tough or I'm, you know, shy or whatever, whatever. All these identities. But when you. When you align to that shared source, that's that one thing we all have in common. That, like, as a prerequisite, if we all, like, just track that, you know, open the crown to that. Now you can trust this. This authenticity that comes through you. Because it's not about me anymore. Like, it's not about Corey and what I think looks cool and what will get me the results I want and what will make sure I, you know, get this certain validation from those. It's Not. It doesn't come from self concern like it used to. Oh my God. I can speak from experience on that took so much management. But now when it's just, just listening and the only agenda I have or intention I have is service is like, let me just do this exactly as is guided. Let me not interfere. Let me like listen and act immediately without filter, without interference. Now, whatever is authentic or whatever seems unique about me doesn't feel personal. It doesn't feel like that was my cool idea or I deserve credit for this, or it doesn't have the same tone that it used to when it was about me. Like when it was just me and my authenticity or my, you know, me and my. My cool, unique. [00:51:41] Speaker A: Personality. Yeah, well said. Yeah, that's the thing too, is. How do I put this? There is no doing it for any reason. There's no, there's no fruits of our labor. I mean, fruits do come and go for sure, but it's like we don't do it for that reason. I feel, I feel like this wavelength, this resonance is like acting just to act, playing just to play, or maybe being played the instrument of ourselves. We're just. It's just like, as you said, for no reason at all valid. There's no validation. There's no like, I'm trying to look cool. There's no I'm trying to do this for this. It's just I'm here, I'm serving God, I'm with God, I'm seeing as God sees. And that's it. Quite. [00:52:34] Speaker B: Simply. [00:52:35] Speaker A: Yeah. And that's beautiful to be able to see that. And I feel it 100. I don't always feel it. I'm not perfect for sure, but when you're like, when you're in that flow, it's undeniable. It really does feel like flow, right. It's like you're going with the. [00:52:49] Speaker B: Flow. It's such a gift, huh? It feels like a sacrifice. It seems like, oh, no, I, you know, I have to give up my control of my. Of like handling my life and instead just prioritize this like, elusive, abstract, like obscure, you know, God. And that's what it seems like, I think to people is like, no, like, what are you even talking about? But then to just love God or love source or love the truth, to just love the truth and to feel that anybody can try it right now. This takes no practice, no spiritual background, nothing. Just to love God, to like let that feeling happen. It already, what that does, it will start to infuse you with Fruits with intelligence. Just that it's a small move, but it works. It just works. It's like, okay, let me prioritize my love for source, my love for truth above my own micromanagement of this life and myself. And, you know, what I think is important down here? Let me just love the truth. Let me just love God. And immediately what that does is it starts to infuse you with instructions or with confidence or with clarity. It's like, not a hard move. People think it's hard. People think it's a sacrifice, but it's just. It's just a choice. And it comes back to what we were saying earlier about just try, you don't ever have to do this again. Give it a day, like, get. You know, but for people to actually just get that, it comes down to effort. It just comes down to a little bit of effort to get over that hump. And then the. The momentum has its own life. Because, you see, oh, this is what I wanted. Oh, I didn't realize that everything I was seeking came as a result of me donating my attention and my stress and my micromanagement to something beyond myself, to the self or to truth. It's. It's. It's so. [00:54:48] Speaker A: Underestimated. I like the word donation, too. I never heard anyone say that, to be honest. You're donating? Yeah. I like to say offering. Like, you're offering up beautiful. Yeah. I mean, to one level of intelligence, it's. It is a sacrifice to the ego, to the mind, the thinking mind. You do have to sacrifice that part of you, like the lower self, you could say, 100%. That's got to go. Something's got to go. And it's that. It's like your survival mechanism that has been conditioned in us over thousands and thousands of years of evolution. And from birth, you know, we've been conditioned into that. That's got to go. That's what's got to be sacrificed. Jesus showed us that. He was, like, the prime example of. [00:55:37] Speaker B: That. But haven't you had the same thing where, like, you. It's so scary and you don't want to, and you don't get it, and it's confusing, and it's like, no, no, no, no. What do you mean I have to sacrifice my survival instinct? What do you mean? I have to, like, give up my control? Like. And it just sounds so scary, and it sounds so significant, and it sounds like, what the hell are you talking about? Do I have, like. What does that even mean? And then you do. You do you just like put your cards face up, you lay down your arms, you put your guard down. And then you're just like, oh, this, this is what I was so scared of. It's it there. It's a, it's only a myth, it's only a lie. It's a phantom. It's not really there. This whole whatever is scary about surrender, whatever is scary about living a mission based life or donating yourself to God, or loving the truth above all love. Whatever, whatever is scary about surrender isn't. It isn't actually scary to you. It's only scary to some little thing that you're pretending to be pretending. And then when you remember, you're just like, buddy, it's the sweetest thing. It just feels like, oh, my pumpkin. How could I fall for this? Like, how did I fall for. [00:56:49] Speaker A: That? Yep. How did I fall for it? Yeah, it's like you tricked yourself into delusion. Yeah, it's tough because. If you don't know that God is love, it's like I could see why people would fear surrendering to God, the, you know, the maniacal, very overbearing God of the Bible per se that one should fear. Right? The fear of God. We've all heard of that. But once you realize what you're surrendering to just loves you unconditionally. And I hate to sound cliche and corny, but to know that God is love, surrendering to that is the greatest, like the greatest thing that you could do. I mean, there's nothing higher than that to surrendering to the God of love and becoming an instrument of that God of love. Like, that's it, man. Just call it at that. But it's hard to know that, like, that's the. I think the hardest part of the path is like realizing that it's worth it. Like it's a hundred percent worth it to be able to surrender to love. [00:57:57] Speaker B: Essentially. Wow. So cool. Has a marketing problem, I. [00:58:01] Speaker A: Think. Who's that? Has a marketing. [00:58:04] Speaker B: Problem. Awakening has a marketing. [00:58:06] Speaker A: Problem. Yeah. 100%. Yeah. That's the thing is like, you can't. And that's like, even if somebody listens to this hour long podcast, I mean, it's like, is that gonna do the trick? Maybe we only go so far. Like our words only go so far in terms of marketing awakening. Like, I can only be a testament. I think we can all just be like guideposts for other people to say, like, this is real. But at the end of the day too is like, I can't do it for. [00:58:33] Speaker B: Anybody? So. [00:58:35] Speaker A: True. Really, like, nobody else's words. They can help for sure, 100%. Teachers help 100%, but they only go so far. Like, you're the one that has to kind of take the first step of belief. And I don't know if belief is the right word, but like the first step of faith maybe into knowing that you're going to be safe, really what you are is going to be safe. Even though you're sacrificing the small self, really what you are, you're gaining something greater than you can ever imagine. I mean, you're not gaining anything. It's already there. But for lack of a better word, you're gaining something that it's worth it. I'll just keep it at that. It's very, very worth. [00:59:11] Speaker B: It. I love that. It's so, it's so sweet. Also, it's just like tender the way you offer that. It's beautiful. You should clip this and like post it on your, on your thing. It's really cool. It's. I mean, just because it's, it's. It's like you do have to take a leap of faith at some point. And that's why teachers can be so helpful. And it's true. Nobody else can do it for you. Like, you can resist that as long as you want. And, and probably you resist it for good reason at some points in your life. You know, sometimes there's some weird distorted person that's trying to get you to surrender and then it's like, maybe don't and fine. But then it's like at some point this comes back to own your trajectory. Like, what are you here for? What are you? What are you up to? Like, and then once you realize that you are infinitely safe, that, like, what you are, it's not, it's not, it's. If it's not free, it's not you. Meaning you are freedom itself. You are infinite freedom. You are, you are beyond safe. Safe is like a weird passing word that you hardly even recognize. It has so little to do with you. You're so beyond safe. And yeah, to find that out in direct experience, it just takes, it takes something, you know, it takes taking the first step of belief, like you said, which I love that. And I think, indeed, like, hearing it enough times from teachers helps. I did my own sort of self training with this. Like, I would coach myself before I had a teacher. I. I had this, like this exercise that I would do where while insecure, I would ask myself questions in a journal. Just, I would Ask the questions. Or I would even just, like, journal from that state. Like, okay, I think something's fundamentally wrong with me. I. You know, I would just journal from whatever insecurity I had, and then I would come back later when I was, like, bright and clear and generous and free, and I would come back and respond, and I did this a ton. Like, I did this for years. I still have it in case I ever need it. I still have it in my phone, a modern version of it. I probably started this when I was 15 or something. And over time, just that sort of self coaching helped me. Yeah, I feel like it helped me sort of streamline the belief process, because I got to see how wrong I can be while thinking I'm right, while thinking it's really true that something's wrong with me. Really thinking that's true and really having proof for that. And then coming back and just being like, you goofball. Like, you're. You're. You were. You were nuts. You missed something. You know, you were losing it. Just to be able to come back to myself with humor like that and. And totally undermine what felt like it was so significant and so real, I think that just kind of opened me up for humility. You know, it kind of created this, like, okay, I'm. I'm. I can be so super wrong. And every time I realize that I'm wrong and open myself up to something greater and brighter and freer, it's safer there. I'm even more safe. I'm even more. These things that seem to concern me really don't exist there. It's a paradigm shift every time. So I think I got comfortable with that, that, like, shifting like that and not hanging on to what feels like my safety net. So I think there's many ways people can do it. I think listening to podcasts like this and, you know, just having these types of conversations and just being curious and following whatever threat arises will. Will crack people open to this. But anyway, I love that you. I could feel it, I guess, when what you were. What you were sharing, it sounded almost like you were talking to a younger version of. [01:03:08] Speaker A: Yourself. Wow. [01:03:10] Speaker B: Maybe. Or at least like, you've been there. Like, you've been there. Like, you know, from experience that there you have to. [01:03:18] Speaker A: Take. [01:03:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:03:19] Speaker A: Belief. Hmm. I think you're right. Mm. For sure. And I think that's what makes a good teacher, is somebody that has been through it, that has experience, that has humbled themselves in some way. Actually, you know, they've been in the trenches for sure to Be able to. Right. To be able to convey. If not, then I think it's kind of false teachings. Right. They're just parroting others. The best teachers are the ones that have suffered the most, especially in. [01:03:53] Speaker B: The areas where you've suffered. Like if. If I. [01:03:56] Speaker A: If. Yeah. [01:03:56] Speaker B: Exactly. Who had suffered in the ways that I'd suffered, that would be my teacher. If they've. They've transcended it. And they used to have the stuff that I was struggling with, and now they don't. That's my teacher, you know, even if they're not perfect. [01:04:08] Speaker A: Teachers. Yeah. And as you said, being able to just be with other people, chop it up, just sit here, literally just sit here and be open and vulnerable is a very powerful practice. Like, this is my side, I call it. But for anybody listening, you don't have to record it and put it on YouTube. Be crazy like me. Anybody can do this. Anybody can form a community, have a community that just sit down with others that. That know per se, others that are on this wavelength. It's so powerful to be able to do because it's like. Provides reminders, it provides examples. I just see community and doing these conversations with people as a remembrance for me. Like, it serves as a remembrance. I think that's ultimately what community serves, serves. We're all just serving as a remembrance for each other. So you can do it if you want. We have the Internet. That's the power of the times that we're in. You can reach anybody. You know, you're in. You're in Colorado, I'm in Boston. Amazing times that we're in. We take this for granted. The technology that we have, you know, we all have 4k cameras in our pocket and microphones in our pocket, but really, when you come and just sit down and fathom what we have, it's magic. Like, it's truly magical. Times that we were born into. And there's no excuse. There's really no excuse. I think we have all the tools at our disposal. We have all the teachers at our disposal, and it's up to you. If you really want it, as we said many times in this conversation, if you really want it, it's yours. The choice is. [01:05:54] Speaker B: Yours. [01:05:57] Speaker A: Amen. Amen. So on that note, I think we can probably start to wrap it up, but do you have anything else that you want to say before we do? [01:06:06] Speaker B: Corey? I don't think so. Maybe a note of gratitude to you for this conversation and, you know, for making it happen. Being a great, super sincere host. Amazing conversation. I think. [01:06:21] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, thank you. Eternal gratitude to you. It's only possible because people like you say yes. So thank you for coming on here. [01:06:28] Speaker B: Corey. [01:06:28] Speaker A: Awesome. I think this is awesome. You're a cool person. Keep up the good work. And yeah, I wish you all the best. Peace and love. Thank you. Peace and love, everybody.