Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Let me ask you this one. I think this will send us down a good route.
Who is Lao Tzu to you?
How would you explain that to somebody who has never heard of Lao Tzu? They never read the Tao Te Ching. They don't know anything about Lao Tzu. How would you explain who he is?
[00:00:19] Speaker B: Well, first and foremost, he's my family.
And then we start to break down the potency of his resonance and how he creates curiosity and inquiry in anyone that even remotely even speaks his name or thinks about the dao. We refer to the primordial mother.
And so he, in essence, has always been my mentor and my teacher, and he's the convergence. And the moment where the dialogue turns into the monologue and everything is revealed, that everything is nothing.
Right there, right now, we are steeped and swimming in this substance that so many can be curious to know whether it's a sensation that is a body acceptance, that power, that somatic kinesthetic response that is undeniable. The mind doesn't have to twist anything. It doesn't have to manipulate anything. It speaks louder than words.
And there, you know, you have arrived. That moment is now.
And of course, he's a fantastic center point and gateway to discovering more of yourself.
So the wisdom through the teaching, through the Dao, through the Tao, teaching, through his spoken name, and it can be audible or inaudible, you will bring that attention to you. You will start to recognize that you are consuming on a peripheral level your relationship with the dao by speaking or not speaking, thinking or not thinking, it all returns to that very moment.
So he can be your most whimsical mystery teacher.
To find that center of self, that when you realize there is none as you walk through it, the facade fades away.
All identity is dissolved.
And the truth is that absolute, holy truth requires no participation of your own.
It's just now.
And so the gathering, the quickening that you are a master, that acquiring, absorbing those riches is something that most avid seekers, they desire that substance. They desire a tangibility, and they need to hold onto it. Once they recognize that whether they go to sleep or wake up with this substance, that it never leaves you, all of a sudden, the threat level goes down.
The need to tighten the grip on this most powerful moment.
Because on a scale of 1 to 10, when you converge, there is no scale.
It just turns into a holy moly. Just when I thought I've experienced the most amount of self, the doll just turns up.
Did that answer your question, or.
[00:04:04] Speaker A: I think so. It made sense.
[00:04:06] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:04:08] Speaker A: So Lao Tzu is more than a person, or maybe less than a person. How you look at it.
It's a wavelength, it's a energy, a frequency that tunes one into oneself.
[00:04:23] Speaker B: Oh yeah. And I mean for all intensive purposes, the facade, the Persona, the myth, the legend, the one and only.
You can meet him in all different variables. All iterations of self can be acquired.
Now, for me, I've never left that very conscious relationship where I can see him and experience him the same way I see and experience you, visually, audibly, kinesthetically.
And he holds weight and density in this material space.
And from that, it's part of my relationship with the mystical and mysticism that is so steeped and it's dripping in the Taoist history, in the canons, how powerful the magic is and what we share over thousands of years.
This magical mystery ride that, that a Taoist seeker will walk on. It's a rite of passage, not a requirement. This is a difference. And most people, anyone that even gets a little taste will continue to keep looking for more of themselves through that journey. And alchemy is such a potent way to do that, where you start to concentrate and condense things and return things to whole that would be in this mundane existence, to many people, a distorted reality.
And so by raising the bar of resonance through the conditioning process, excuse me, you find yourself because. Because nothing else can hold you. Having spent many years mastering this absorption rate.
And it is a. You are like the super Pac man of absorbing energy. It's a beautiful thing, brother. Self mastered. That's it. That's how we return the self mastery.
And you know, when it comes down to it, these. This type of resonance precedes you.
So you'll have fundamental things that are signals that do not require a conversation. But you'll see the gathering of people in a room or the dispersing of people in a room when your resonance enters. It happens to all of us because they play with that dualism, the dualistic idea that two opposing forces, which we refer to as yin and yang are. There's a symbiotic dance, but the truth be known is from one stream.
Yet the humanistic condition of self requires more analyses. Analyses, paralysis.
And that's where people get a little lost.
But that, that's part of the journey. That's the exciting part.
When you, when you crawl, you want to feel the earth beneath, beneath you. You want to know what it's like to push against something, to feel that resistance. We refer to that within Taoism, stress, adaptation, expansion.
This is a constant that is taking place.
The trifecta, the trilogy.
This is happening at all times. This is the experience of. For the experiencer. As we continue our journey, you're going to constantly be applying stress. An adaptation moment and then an expansive moment. And this in all different types of forms. But just as you're a baby that gasps for its first breath in a distorted material state, having been born into that embryonic perfection that we call the primordial mother, that primordial state is forever if conditioned appropriately. As you go through the path of alchemy, that embryonic breath becomes a constant that you breathe beyond the biology and you breathe from the ethereum.
So your requirement for physical connectivity is unnecessary. It just becomes nurtured and held and nourished as a byproduct of you finding yourself through that. That training.
[00:09:00] Speaker A: Well spoken.
Powerful stuff, man.
Why do you referred as the primordial mother and not necessarily the father? I mean, maybe it's just a case of semantics, but why is this. Go ahead.
[00:09:20] Speaker B: I think, you know, I was gonna say it'd be the.
Ask the question.
[00:09:26] Speaker A: Yeah. Why is this seen as feminine in nature rather than masculine in nature?
[00:09:32] Speaker B: What a beautiful question. No one's ever asked me that.
I love that about our relationship, brother. It's like we get down with a get down and I mean the truth be known, it's the natural order as the. The mother is a very clear representation of the void. It's a complete absence of light.
And the second she draws in breath, the father is created, the yang is created. A complete reversal of perhaps a biblical text in complete reversal which I find so fascinating.
It's in, in. In. It's. It's in opposite to many other ancient texts.
Yeah. Would that, would you, would that be accurate in relation to the Bible?
Yeah, yeah.
[00:10:25] Speaker A: It's the father in the Bible.
[00:10:27] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah.
Isn't that interesting? And it's. It's so potent, the transfer.
You know, you and I getting chills right now. We're getting high as a kite. I'm high as af.
I mean I. Yes, officer, I am sober. Can you walk a straight line? Absolutely, brother, I can.
But you know, the truth be known, it, it, it's refreshing to have a different breath and a take on something that on a universal level in so many ancient texts is a counter opposite to what is within.
Very huge powerful scripture like the Bible.
[00:11:12] Speaker A: Yeah. The mother or the womb, which is
[00:11:17] Speaker B: everything related to creation.
[00:11:19] Speaker A: So literally.
[00:11:21] Speaker B: Yeah. So cycle wise, that's where that conception, birth, creation, stress, adaptation, expansion.
So birth, death and then rebirth. This is going on all the time. And when you really slip into it and you dissolve the identity aspect, powerful things take place as we speak. Real time void. And it's void of time and space. You know, I love to love to condition myself through certain temperature practices. Whether it's sauna or spa, cold plunge, what have you. These are, these are always things that we train in to be able to redirect energy at will. It's the kind of thing that you're doing real time, we train in that. And so, you know, I'll sit in a steam, I'll turn it up to 125 and I'll sit in that and it will literally feel like it's burning my flesh, yet I run the appropriate yin energy and I don't even feel it.
And of course then the consumption of time, if you run it at a 20, normally a 20, 25 time frame, you're sitting it, you're blinking this over and all seem like it's been two minutes when it was like 25 minutes.
This is part of how you return everything to whole within a distorted state.
And when we do this, things become synchronistic and serendipitous as we hold that charge.
The Wu Wei effortless action, effortless effort always starts from the mother's drawer, the mother's first breath.
And now we're get down with a get down where creation is here and what's the potential, what's the probability that something is going to be generated?
Well, that's a guarantee.
And that kind of knowing turns into unknowing.
And that's where people get a little concerned when there's a certainty because they're so trained to believe everything is uncertain and there is no fixed point.
Yet within Taoism we can walk that path. You may have considered in a certain culture's blind faith.
It's a blind knowing. And that's where inaction comes in because there is no such thing while breath is present.
You're literally molding your reality through, through that respiration.
So that's where the inaction comes into the naked eye.
You're not doing a single thing. Oh, you're creating at will.
It's the most potent place to be yet. You know, societal norms require you to feel the pressure under, under the gun of social demands.
So if you're coming from the east or you're coming from the west, you're adapting a culture culturally, the past generations from the deep rooted nature of all this ancient training.
Time and space are absolutely not on the TABLE. When it comes to the path of oneness, the path of absolute, the holy stream that reminds you who you are, they're not sitting there watching their app, looking at their Apple phone, waiting for the next YouTube video to come out.
There is a complete divesting of everything that is in a controlled fashion.
And that's the part that people find really hard to deal with. Because this brings us to something that I find fascinating where there's people. Many people believe they're surrendering. They've heard the story, they've read the Hallmark cue cards. All of the cliches are out, yet they're really struggling with it because we refer to it within Taoism as submission to surrender.
And most people are really submitting to their authority that is weighing them down to conform and to basically relinquish something that they believe is their identity.
When in actuality, surrender means you walk up to the edge and as that fear consumes you, you dive headfirst off it.
That is complete divesting of all conditions and limitations because there is no outcome that you can control once you jump off that.
[00:16:52] Speaker A: Yep, there's no ground.
[00:16:56] Speaker B: But can you look at yourself in the face and look at that mirror and look back at it and go, I'm ready. It's a good day to die.
[00:17:10] Speaker A: That one hit.
Yeah.
I like that, though. There's a fine line between submission and surrender.
And I think the line is with submission, we consciously or unconsciously submit to something or somebody, Right? We want somebody to save us. We want that external savior.
So it's like we give ourselves to an outward thing. We could say with surrender, we give ourselves to truly nothing.
There is a giving up, but it's not to anything.
[00:17:49] Speaker B: And that's where people get all cagey and afraid.
And that vulnerability is too much to relinquish that vulnerability in a submission perspective. Because they believe they've run the gamut. They've read the books, they've done the practice, they're spiritually aligned, and they're still submitting to an authority that is controlling their very will.
Instead of accepting and allowing, which is the fundamental baseline and default for a Taoist path as a seeker. Accepting, allowing everything as it stands right now as we converge at this very moment.
There is no differentiator. You are me, I am you.
We are one. We are nothing.
Right here, right now.
That's kind of spooky for most people. I mean, the identity.
I am the. The. The experience. I. I need the.
[00:18:51] Speaker A: The.
[00:18:52] Speaker B: There's certain. I'm a little. I'M a little rusty on these, but you're probably familiar with Vipassana or Samadhi or Brahman. These are really. You get trapped in these identical sort of like processes, just like Taoism. But the difference with Daoism is when you let go and you recognize the dualism is non existence, the centric point where you walk through that moment and you fall right into the void.
Now you have returned to zero, you are whole.
And that doesn't require the identity of anything.
Taoism dissolves, everything returns.
That is something that most people that are experiences will not realize. Relinquish the need for the purpose.
I'm driven. I'm at a certain age.
I need to have acquired these things in my life.
I need to pull a goal in front of me for me to continue to participate on a daily basis. Whether it's marriage, whether it's relationships, whether it's community, whether it's parenthood, whatever you choose, it continually requires your participation.
And to surrender your participation is not required.
Now I'm lost.
And there's a helplessness and a hopelessness and a complete desensitization we refer to as the attaching and then detaching and then reattaching as whole.
And that's that rite of passage where you condition yourself and then you get the best of both worlds. You have the cake and eat it. And people like, what does that means? That you get to taste the nectar of the intellect, but on steroids.
Because now you can acquire your sharpness through this, this intellectual cursor. And then of course, the default, the soundtrack to your reality is being conditioned where it doesn't need your participation.
You can immerse yourself in anything and everything. Because this is a gift from the Dao, this path on this planet.
The idea that you have to erase yourself is a mistake.
But the default is that resonance that you have created that runs entirely without your participation.
So conscious to unconscious to conscious again to unconscious is the very nature of self, the true self. Yes.
[00:21:56] Speaker A: Yeah, man. That's a very important point to bring up. Because anyone doesn't know any better. They're like, what do you mean today's the day that I gotta die? I gotta give it all up or give up my family or run away, right? It may seem like an escape at a surface level, like a literal physical escape in some way, but no, as you say, we reattach, we come back, we are reborn, we come back into the game, we press restart, and it makes the game even better, right? The show goes on.
Yeah, The Beauty of the show only amplifies once one is endowed, no pun intended, with this energy. And yeah, it's so beautiful. As you said, you have your cake and eat it too.
Right. The beauty is that simultaneously, it's like you're alive and dead right. At the same time.
You're is everything and nothing. Right. That's like all the stuff of Gary still goes on, yet there is this very subtle vantage point, the default, as you said, just watching it all go by. Just like a movie, just like a show.
Not only watching, we could say there is still that active participation. Participation. But it's like not from just Gary, if that makes sense. It's not just from this vantage point. It's a vantage point of no vantage point, actually.
But my point is it doesn't disappear as one would think. Right.
To a beginner, one would think like, it's a premature death.
Right. Who wants that? That's daunting. But. But no, it's the good news. It's like safety of no safety. Right. It's many different metaphors, but it's like the.
I'll just keep it at that. Safety in no safety. Yeah, Form.
In no form. That's the dance before. We don't dance. Right. We try to dance to our own tune.
[00:24:03] Speaker B: Well, the personality wants to lead you to control.
And without it, you know, right. From the scriptures, the way to walk is not the way. The name that is named is not the name. Thou is both named and nameless.
This is where you start, this is where you finish. This is the absolute truth to all things.
And then people go, what?
Because their head explodes? You know, I. I always have the. I. I get convers. I get conversation. I have conversation occasionally in the messages of videos that I put out. And they're like, that is nonsensical gobbledygook. And I said, you're welcome. Like, what? What are you talking about?
Well, this creates inquiry. And you recognize the pressure of what you perceive is absolutely on the line here. Which brings us perception versus imagination.
Imagination is a conjured, you know, whimsical state. That is an attempt to manipulate something that already exists.
Perception is you meeting that moment.
You're tasting that as it is now, not with an apprehension or a manipulative way to stop it. If you drive at 100 miles an hour into a wall, you may attempt to stop it, but when you taste the impact, that is the very truth.
[00:25:39] Speaker A: Yeah, you gotta taste the impact.
[00:25:43] Speaker B: You have to taste it.
[00:25:45] Speaker A: Yeah, we taste it in a way that goes beyond analytical thought.
Rationale, classical analysis, it's more somatic.
You gotta bring it in to your full being rather than just up here and trying to analyze and overly compute it up here.
It's really all about the breath. I mean, obviously it's a little deeper than that, but it starts with the breath at least.
But if you're just watching like a YouTube video and it's getting lost in the other gobbly gook of YouTube, it's not gonna hit. It's not gonna hit like that. You actually have to experience.
Yeah, you actually have to experience and grock it.
It's more than just words.
Don't think about it too much.
[00:26:43] Speaker B: Embodiment.
[00:26:44] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly.
Embodiment.
That's it, man. Truly, this only goes so far if one isn't actually doing the practices and the modalities. And I know it may seem like a contradiction because as we said, you have to let it go, gotta let the raft go.
But you also still have to honor the raft at the same time.
That's the thing that dance still goes on and it's. It's hard to generalize because I think there's also stages and levels to this thing. Do you. Would you agree or disagree with that? Like, there's levels to the embodiment, there's levels to the degrees in which we are endowed.
And what may sound nice for one person, that may be like a nice alignment or tuning for one person, it may just be gobbledygook to another because there's different levels in their embodiment.
You know what I'm getting at?
[00:27:45] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. I mean, that's why, in my opinion, Taoist alchemy is so powerful, because there's a method to the madness, and they give more than enough time to sip on that immortal frequency.
Yeah, because we converge in our. In Taoist alchemy in a practice called Shen Gong, where attention and intention meet, this is where you reveal immortal self. Immortality crystallized in the material is. Now that means that everything can converge and return to whole, no exception. Where you'll experience serendipitous synchronistic miracles.
And I've been sharing in those and witnessing those for decades. And I find that it's always fun to watch someone else discover that they are a breath away from witnessing something that they were told was never possible.
And it just happens immediately. You know, it's not a conjured up process where you want to call in your angels, you sit down, burn your incense. The conditioning from the alchemy and the respiration is how you gather that you saturate the biology with this immortal elixir and then it becomes a standard.
And so you're never tapping into your own life force.
Which is a fundamental pitfall for a lot of healers is they get caught up in the identity aspect and they burn the candle at two ends and, you know, death is eminent. You know, they burn out at a very young age due to the fact that they haven't completely understood what it takes to meet yourself, which is complete surrender.
Just keep gathering. They get a, oh, I'm psychic. I can read someone's mind. And.
And that's really cool, you know, or form telekinetic things that blow people's minds. Like, I got kind of. My personality got a little tired of it after a while because of making all these videos. So I just made a video where, you know, I took some, you know, metal and magnetized it and picked up a bunch of things as a magnet. And in the same hand, on the same hand, I then spun a pinwheel with my mind and then I bent a spoon, I plastered like paper to the wall and connected it, did that with a penny. Whoop dee doo. Okay, this is a thing that's very popular right now. Everyone wants to be able to taste themselves.
That's cool. And then I said, here's the real telekinesis. I got under an 800 pound hack squat and I.
I pressed it for several reps. That's real telekinesis. It's meeting that mom, because we're doing it right now. This is telekinesis.
I am not thinking about operating my hands. They happen instantaneously because we're meeting that moment.
This is the real truth of who you are.
It's just the separation has been a long path over humanity's twisting and turning.
That when you recognize everyone is independently connected and holy, then there's a threat of someone else being more powerful than someone else when we're all the same.
So that intimidation has been met with warding off your own potency over years.
Thousands of years of controlling the masses so that they never wake up to themselves and they're forever in doubt.
And by doing that, you as an authority can control things at a much deeper level, which is the two things that are the deal breakers for anyone, which is authority and fear.
Sin.
And they always submit. I mean, tell me the time you haven't driven past a cop and go, oh, am I driving the right speed? Have I got my seatbelt on? Am. I mean, this is a natural reaction, which is a submissive process that most people go through.
You know, unfortunately, I'm not really good with authority.
It doesn't really jive with me. It's not part of the bigger picture. So personality wise, I'm not a fan of it. And then when you meet yourself and you hold that just as you and I are constantly re repurposing and throwing what is not useful back into the wood chipper to expand even bigger. Because this is really where you start to meet. As you hold that node within the body, the body cannot hold any more distortion. So thoughts, feelings and emotions as they're transitory and impermanent, when will raise and rise to the top like a turd in a bowl. And you can then go, hey, guess what?
I don't even have to put my attention to it because the system is already conditioned. It burns it out like the fire that it is. And it literally. You can't hold that thought in your mind.
And I used to find that when I was a teenager first discovering that before I started channeling lazu, it would come up where the power of being able to hold your attention intention.
So I may be divulging how old I am. I came out with Noah's ark. The bottom line is back in the day we'd have things like you'd find your dad's Playboy or whatever and go, oh wow, look, there's a girl. Wow.
In those days, I would want to conjure up an image in my mind. It's a stimulus. Men are very primal. They want to see and experience and taste that connection right through communion. And so I first realized at a young age that I couldn't conjure these images.
They just started to disappear. The more and more I continue to condition, the more and more I recognize my true self.
These things don't hold a charge anymore. They're, they're, it's a, it's short term memory loss with a purpose.
And they dissolve.
And like for example, in your situation you should, you. I mean your sensory perception is off the chain anyway in relation to. We've gone way past the five senses now. You might be up to a hundred at this point. But the point being is if you take a moment, you'll recognize if you want to distort something, the true nature of self will just dissolve it because it has absolutely zero count or value.
And it doesn't expand you, it just stagnates you. So it's just burnt out because you've been cultivating for so long. And that method is so potent. Does that make sense?
[00:35:15] Speaker A: Yeah.
Once you taste the nectar, man. Yeah. You know that it's true power.
And any poison that comes along is easily just transmutated into the nectar.
[00:35:26] Speaker B: And that brings us to transmutation versus transformation.
Big difference. Big difference. Because you're a transmuter, you're not transforming anything.
The book has been written, the story is already told.
There's nothing to recreate it's whole.
You return it to such. That's where the transmutation is potent.
[00:35:53] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. It's like a reformation rather than a transformation.
Yes, the return.
And this is also a fine line.
What's that?
I said that's also a fine line.
[00:36:12] Speaker B: It can be, but in most cases, as you probably know, the amount of conversations you've had with people that are walking a path, it's actually pretty.
It's. It's like this. The size of like the Grand Canyon. For many people, you can. You can make it finite through conditioning.
But in most cases, people are so drawn to the Hollywood version that it's impossible for them to ever arrive.
Not in this lifetime.
[00:36:50] Speaker A: That's a heavy statement.
[00:36:52] Speaker B: Well, it's only for the experiencer.
When they make a gap so big, their return would seem to be an impossible feat.
Yet you and I both know through our own experience that that, as you said, is so fine that like it's a breath away.
[00:37:14] Speaker A: Yeah.
Do you think there is this literal moment of initiation, this actual rite of passage that comes for us, like the initial taste in our lives?
And yeah, once you taste it, you don't go back. But do you believe that there is an actual initiation that we go through in order to be able to always taste this, perpetually taste this?
[00:37:43] Speaker B: Oh, absolutely.
That was alchemy. What? It was it. You find it. You find it. And it's true practical purpose and the method that you can't deny it. It's like I, you. You could be Joe blogs.
It's not a hierarchic. It's not a. There's no hierarchy within Dallas Alchemy. You just have to apply yourself and you can literally advance within a fraction of a second. Or it could you. You might want to dance in the daisies for years on end. It's up to you how you apply yourself.
But when you follow the method, the saturation, the concentration is eminent.
It just is.
But that's why the path is so potent, why millions of people have walked it before us. And by just following that path, you will be remembered, you will return, you will behold.
[00:38:49] Speaker A: Well spoken.
Yeah.
It's like, we utilize the method in order to ultimately let go of the method.
Right.
[00:39:02] Speaker B: One million percent.
You recognize that just as. As we mentioned it before, as you walk through the center point, you recognize there is no center point, and everything falls away.
You return to the whole.
[00:39:25] Speaker A: Feeling it. Feeling whole.
[00:39:28] Speaker B: Well, brother, anytime we hang out, you blast me with energy. And I know you're just doing it out of love. And the fact that that's just who you are. You don't even attempt to try and conjure it. It just is. It's an expansive state.
[00:39:45] Speaker A: Right back at you.
Yeah, exactly.
I don't even think about it. I mean, I'm honored if you feel that way for sure. But I'm not thinking like I wake up in the morning. I'm like, I got to make sure I blast Sun Ching with some love, some loving energy today. I'm just. Just hanging out, man.
[00:40:05] Speaker B: Yeah, that's the default. That's you.
That's the default. That's you being you.
[00:40:13] Speaker A: Yeah. And the beauty, too, that I would like to elucidate to anyone listening is it's not just me.
This is everybody. Anybody can do this.
Millions have in the past.
I don't know about millions. I don't know, maybe thousands. Who knows? The number a lot of people have in the past resonated with what we're speaking about now. This is nothing exclusive to just me. This is anyone and everyone can embody love.
It's so simple.
It's our natural state. There's not like, as you said, you don't have to think about it. There is no thinking. And that's the good news. There's nothing that you have to do. We are love. We are love incarnate. You have to get out of your own way and get into the way, and all is well.
[00:41:07] Speaker B: And that's that part of participation, not required.
That truth is just a constant.
And you'll see it in everything that takes place within your journey.
And so if you're desiring some magical mystery ride to visit the wizard of Oz, or you just want silence, or maybe you want a billion dollars, whatever it is, it will arrive the second you get out of the way.
[00:41:43] Speaker A: What do you think are our biggest traps to the way in the 21st century Western world?
[00:41:51] Speaker B: Well, first and foremost, it's how you perceive opening, how you perceive expansion, how you perceive identity.
Because guess what? You're taking that with you.
And all of it is void.
It returns you to the void. The question is, is what is it going to take you to get there?
And most people are fascinated right now with near death experiences, out of body experiences. These types of things are very popular in that awareness and awakening.
The question I would ask all these people that finally find themselves is that you're being lured away from what is a gift, as you would put it, from God, from the dao, from the primordial mother. Is this very moment to be personified and reincarnated as this human expression of self.
So the need to run away from or let go because they think they're letting go, they're really submitting, is really a, you know, a Ponzi scheme of the mind.
And it's only, there's only one way up, is you're going to go down.
And so recognizing reincarnation, the Russian doll effect, where everything is another version of self, helps in so many ways for people to start to really cultivate and transmute self as opposed to.
I'm going to start with a good book, the Bible, whatever version you choose to.
And then of course, now I'm going to sit with that and then I'm going to go and disconnect and break down everything that is not purposeful, that may be materialistic. It's another sidestep.
All of this is lies. Thoughts, feelings and emotions are all lies.
Can you truly accept it?
Can you recognize that there's nothing broken, there's nothing to redo or transform.
You just transmute back to self.
And that's the exciting discovery part because we all have our own way there.
And it might be something really magnificent or it could be a bump in the night that's, you know, nothing but an air biscuit in an elevator.
You still arrive there, it just becomes true.
Does that make sense?
[00:44:55] Speaker A: Yeah, sorry, air biscuit. I've never heard that one before, man.
[00:44:58] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:45:02] Speaker A: I just never heard it put that way. That was good.
If I take anything from this conversation, it's that.
Oh man.
Well, to me it's quite magnificent. It's way more than an air biscuit. It's quite magical. And as you said, there is endless miracles that come about and it's only to be experienced. And it's only miracles for me too. That's the thing I can recognize.
Right, those miracles are.
Yeah, they're secular, as in like it applies to everybody. Everybody is able to access the miraculous nature of this wavelength. But there's a special flavor that comes into the miraculousness of your own incarnation. I feel when one is truly tapped into the moment, things that are like, miraculously on top of the miracle for you if that makes sense. Like the magic in them just being for you. I hope I'm coming across here in the correct way when I say that. It's like there's something that's very special to the flavor of miracle that is entered into your life and the goings on in your circumstances.
If you can reside at that point, at the zero point.
I can't even.
I can't even explain the serendipity and the synchronicities that have entered my life.
And it's like, can only apply to me. But what I'm saying, it's like that's the miracle is like they're your miracle in a way. And I know that may sound like a contradiction because we're talking about like, there's no self, the self of no self. It's all empty, you know, letting go, die before you die type of thing. But there's still in that recognition of the, of the void is even more of appreciation for, we could say the show, right? The beautiful show that is before my very eyes, the miraculous show that is continually presented.
And hallelujah to that, you know, the beautiful and whimsical incarnation that we all find ourselves in of Gary, of Sanching and whoever's listening, they have this special flavor of miracle. So like a little piece of the pie of the.
The grand miracle that we're all in that is specific to you.
And once you let go of you that idea of trying to like, mold your own miracle, that's when the miracle hits and that's when the magic enters things just like, ah, just what people enter your life. That's just.
Whoa, this person's amazing.
It's just. I can't even get into it. Like just so much magic, man. It may sound like hyperbole, but it's not. It's the truth. It's the default, as you said.
And you only know if you know, you know, if you know, you know, it's quite beautiful.
Do you have any, like, specific stories that come to mind of the miracle? You've told me some in the past. Like some things, how the dao works through your life. Do you have anything that's no pressure. If you don't have anything, no worries. But if. Do you have any, like, anything, Any examples?
[00:48:36] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. I mean, this happens on a daily.
It's not that I have an expectation. It's just the default.
[00:48:44] Speaker A: Yeah. So the miracle is the default. The miracle is that it's not really a miracle.
[00:48:49] Speaker B: Well, yeah, it's super normal.
[00:48:51] Speaker A: Not super normal.
[00:48:53] Speaker B: Yeah, it's super normal. You know, it. There's just this conjured up anticipation that makes it so well factored for many people because they've been so removed from themselves that when they experience it for the first time, they're in awe.
And it takes them a while to. To. To digest what just took place.
[00:49:14] Speaker A: I get that.
[00:49:15] Speaker B: The aha.
You know, I mean, let me just say it's a constant. So on a daily basis, I have, you know, people, students, clients, people calling me, texting me, asking for help or solving their problems. Mentally, emotionally, physically.
You know, there was a girl that had this like, facial rash, for example, just yesterday, right?
She had a facial rash that she's been dealing with for about five weeks. Her parents brought her to me and we watched it real time, all three of us, including my wife, four of us, as her skin returned back to completely soft and unbroken. Or there's no abrasions, there's no resistance. Like she had this massive rash that they really couldn't get rid of no matter what they were doing. It was right around her mouth and it was, it was quite intense. It was cracking the skin.
I don't know, maybe two minutes. We all just sat there. And I must say, I did cheat a little bit because I used everyone else in that space and channeled that energy through them. It's kind of a fun game that you do. So you use them as the magnifying laser and cursor, and it concentrates the energy even faster. But we watch it in real time. It's like watching a. A video of grass growing. You know, those, those sped up videos where you watch the grass grow as the sun shines down on the grass and it keeps growing bigger, bigger and bigger.
[00:50:55] Speaker A: Yeah, time lapse.
[00:50:57] Speaker B: Yeah, Timeless. Very good. And, and so what witnessing that, is that in, you know, for me, another day in the office. But like, I, I get, I get absolutely giddy like a little kid. Like I've seen it for the first time because I. A rash that she'd been dealing with for five weeks, six weeks, cracking the skin.
All damage was dissolved within that same period of time that we all stood there and witnessed that. We watched it as it transformed.
And so the time lapse was, was immediate to that moment. And this is kind of a concept that we can all get into.
Back in the day when I first discovered what I coined at the moment was the JC experience, the coming of Jesus Christ, because it was a miracle.
And I've seen so many of them. And anyone that's listening to our conversations we would have gone over some of these before. So let's just say, for example, one of my favorite things to do was I would get people with sebaceous 6 cysts that are under the skin, and I would concentrate the energy until the cyst would rise to the top and pop like a volcano. It was a, it was a fun thing. I mean, you would have people that inflame them and attempt to try and pop them under the skin, but it just creates this callus and this hard like node of, of tissue. Because you know, who hasn't had a cyst before, they get, they just want to play with it and eventually it can get to a point where it's just a big knot of a broken, inflamed tissue. And I would like to. Those are one of the first things that I had a fascination with, which is, as you put it, a time lapse experience where you watching it as the skin color changes, the, the, the actual pores open up and it releases any sort of distortion within the system, which is a biological thing. And so I've seen gashes sealed before my eyes.
I've seen gashes open up.
I may have told this story before, but I'll use it as an example. This woman had a massive equivalent to a cantaloupe infection in her breast. She was breastfeeding, stood in front of her husband, myself and my wife, and we watched her skin open up and pour like 2 liters of pus into a sink and then seal back in front of our very eyes.
I mean, you know, this is kind of like say what now?
Yes, this is absolutely possible. I've seen it. I see it all the time. Tumors shrink, disappear. People are in karmas. People ask me to give them assistance. I talk to their loved ones, they come out of karma the next day. And you know how much attention I'll put to that.
One second someone comes to me, the second they come to me, I don't need to know their name, their address, where they're at.
It's already set, it's already materialized, and it's been completely returned back to a holy state.
The karma thing is, is a, is a.
Probably hundreds of them over the last 30 plus years.
It's a normal thing. It seems to be a standard thing I get the most of is people come to me like, oh, my loved one's in a coma and boof. Next minute they're out of the coma. They'll just talk to me and I'll be like, oh yeah, okay, great. Would you need to know their name. No, it's already done. The fact that you're coming to me is the intersection and the convergence of change.
That's the purpose of my existence, is to be the laser cursor. And that concentrated moment where things return.
[00:54:59] Speaker A: Those are very powerful claims.
[00:55:02] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I guess we'd call it in a skeptics world or someone who hasn't experienced it firsthand as a claim.
It's just a natural order and how I live on a daily basis.
For example, my youngest son that died in my wife's arms, he was dead for two minutes.
This all happened within a fraction of a second now for me.
I just sat into the energy.
My five children huddled around and started performing cultivational practices that I taught them. I watched the last breath come out of his body as life was dispersed. His eyes rolled back, his body was lifeless. His spirit came out of his body. My wife was mourning. It was literally ready to return to the light.
And through a persuasion of my children, myself, he became anchored and returned back into his body. And it was like watching someone getting an adrenaline shot. He came back to life like Frankenstein, racing from the dead.
And he was gone for two minutes.
That was just another day in the office. But you can't get attacked because it took me about three weeks to, to. To catch up.
Because when you look at that experience, because, you know, at the time there were EMTs and ambulance everything, they couldn't believe it. They freaked out watching this happen because it was like, oh my goodness, he's dead. And there was panic. I was just sitting there. You'd. You'd look at me like, are you a heartless piece of shit?
You have zero. There's nothing moving your needle. Because nothing sways or manipulates the truth right now. The convergence. And when you can see it too, it becomes even more and more powerful. Not just the sensory saturation of the energy.
I see all these energies and entities and spirits and auras and all this kind of good stuff. That's a. That's another day in the office.
But with that there's certainty.
And so all of a sudden, impermanence becomes permanent, Drawing immortality. That is a constant and a holy stream. That's how you return things to whole, which is a permanence. We are immortal.
We are forever. Forever. We are eternal.
And that truth is where permanent. Not the impermanence of thoughts, feelings and emotions.
I guess I didn't share my story with you last time.
[00:57:57] Speaker A: Oh, first time, man.
[00:57:59] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. He shouldn't have. He shouldn't have lived till.
That was when he was about one one and a half.
He's now three.
Happy little baby.
[00:58:14] Speaker A: Is his name Lazarus?
[00:58:17] Speaker B: His name is Kai.
[00:58:20] Speaker A: Yeah. Wow. Well, long live Kai.
[00:58:22] Speaker B: And his middle name is Bodhisattva.
[00:58:28] Speaker A: Kai Bodhisattva.
He's the chosen one.
[00:58:33] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:58:35] Speaker A: Well, hey, man, you'd have to obviously understand there's going to be skepticism to what you just said, right?
[00:58:43] Speaker B: Sure. I mean, the story be told, the evidence being the very moment, experience it all shit or get off the pot. This is about an experiences now moment.
And I show that in every sense of the word. The stories are grandiose and sensationalized in their nature because human beings can't possibly imagine that supernatural becomes supernormal.
And so it's so held up on a pedestal of impossibility that no one can just sit there and sit in it and expand on the truth. But someone with your amplitude and resonance can also read the energy of what truth is.
Because even though you may contract a little bit because it's out of the reach of normalcy, you feel and taste the potency of the energy that is emanated through that very spoken word that I share with you.
And there's no denying that that truth is beyond words.
And it's that very moment that you can feel, feel into it. And that people that are really conditioned, they look at me and go, you're not lying? No, I am not.
This is very normal.
This is the standard, this is how we live our lives, which is recognizing that everything is whole. But you can't, you can't go, there's, there's this dualism that just continues right where, where, where playing and juggling identities and this version of self where it's a Persona that you have to constantly deal with probabilities more likely than not, not knowing, because knowing leads to wisdom and that is a repeatability that is undeniable.
So you start off with, you know, little wishy washy things that are, are little wins for people. Like, as I said, this whole cult of personality lately across social media with, you know, telekinetic potential. And people are excited for themselves. They're, you know, sticking a penny on the wall or bending a spoon or whatever it is.
This is good, but it's a sidetrack on the road to the wizard of Oz. Do not be lured by your desire for power to sit on that side street and just play with the identity that I am the magic band, I am the telekinesis, I am the psychic ability I am the channeler, I am the healer.
The healer one is the big one.
That's the big one because, you know, and when you get into that realm, people will sell their souls. And when I talk about that, I mean, they literally sell the very essence and constitution of who they are. From a humanistic perspective, they have yet to converge with their true self, their holy self, their absolute self. So they just cannibalize the body.
And it's always going to be left in a deficit because that's what happens when you, when you're just expending yourself and, and ciphering your energy from the top.
You haven't returned to whole yet. That's what alchemy within Taoism is so powerful because you never siphon from your own self. The body, the body is, is a tuning fork, a barometer for this experience, this humanistic experience. You must saturate it with the immortal elixir, which is a condensing, a compression of energy that makes the body comparable to the immortal self so that, you know, you can do silly superhuman things. They put my arm out and put a skewer through it, pull it out, and there's no entry or exit wound or blood. These are just conditioning processes.
Anyone can do these. But you have to commit to yourself.
And you know, I didn't get it straight away. I've got to take more than five minutes.
Wow, you're worth it, I promise.
But you have to go through that process and that's something that is available to anyone that goes on the path of self realization through Dallas alchemy. That is.
And so, you know, yeah, healing is cool. I, I, you know, I don't want to be that guy that goes, yeah, okay, I've seen that, I've done that. Okay, that's great because my personality is my personality. I love it. You know, I drive my side by side in the desert and I watch Netflix and sometimes I'll eat chocolate bonbons, which are not that popular right now. But the truth be known, that doesn't distract from the resonance and the default of my true self, so I don't have to participate in any way for it to be so.
And that's when you get caught up in I am the healer, I'm the next coming of Jesus. You know, people get completely mesmerized by this stuff and they get away from it, which in turn becomes their, their, their demise.
Because they haven't returned to a whole. So they keep taking more and more, they cannibalize themselves. Does that make sense?
[01:04:30] Speaker A: Yeah.
And the worst cannibalization of all is being the spiritual person, right?
Because it's veiled under, as you said, good intentions, the healer, the starseed, the good person.
But it's like that is. It's like.
It's almost worse in that way than if you weren't trying to be the good person, the healer, the second coming of Christ. Right. If you just ignore me per se, that's almost worse. When you take on that ego, right, that identification I feel that one's tough, that one's really tough to shake.
[01:05:12] Speaker B: They get a taste and then they fall in their face because they can't repeat it.
See, it's always what we call the bite of the spiritual dragon.
Within doubt, we get a taste. You see, Grandma, you get a vision.
All of a sudden. I can heal things. I feel energy. I. I'm psychic, I'm channeling, I'm healing, I'm doing all these things. But that taste is an interruption of your regular programming, which, until otherwise noted, is a distorted, distracted programming that is made up of this material distortion.
So until you meet yourself, you're. You're really. You get an example of how potent the possibility of self is. And then they want to repeat it, but they don't know how to. And this is where I always say the method to the madness. There's an alchemical process through Taoism that we've been doing consciously on the face of humanity's journey since 6000 BC. And I could argue that goes well beyond that. But there is documentation that exceeds that is still part of the Taoist canons.
So this is not something that just happened five minutes ago or some folk tale or some mythical story.
This is well documented over thousands of canons that stretch over thousands of years.
And it's the same with the Bible. It's the same with these type of foundational things. When you take charge of a potent scripture, you recognize the truth of it, you feel it, it goes beyond the words, and you become completely in tune with it. You can't put it down.
You can't leave it alone. It speaks to you.
[01:07:19] Speaker A: Yeah. That's really what the Bible is. It's a book of magic.
[01:07:23] Speaker B: Yes.
[01:07:26] Speaker A: Yeah. It's showing you how to be the sorcerer, if you really want to take it as that. I mean, Jesus was performing miracles, his apostles were performing miracles. And he even said in his own words, people that come after me will do works greater than I. But people seem to, you know, Christians, classical Christians, seem to just gloss over that one.
It's like it's all just for Jesus. He was the one to do the miracles. But like if you were truly an apostle, if you call yourself an apostle, disciple of the man himself, Jesus Christ, then the miracle is really nothing to you. It's obvious actually.
[01:08:02] Speaker B: Yeah, there's definitely a fear of authority through certain Christian sects every years, over centuries, over thousands of years where they wanted to separate the apostle, the disciple, the seeker from their potential by making the gap bigger and bigger and bigger because it's not serving. If you have everyone recognize they are whole.
How can we control anyone? We can't.
You asked the question who are the people that want to control someone else? That's the bigger question.
Where is that coming from?
[01:08:47] Speaker A: I don't know. How would you answer that? Should we save that for another conversation? Is that too big of a question?
[01:08:52] Speaker B: That's a pretty big one.
[01:08:53] Speaker A: Yeah.
That's the dark forces man.
[01:08:57] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
And you go into phases, right? I mean I've come across many practitioners of black magic that I've had to ward off and they're mostly around Brazil, Thailand where these people are actively attempting to cast low what energy into a manipulative state where they control others.
And you know, it just doesn't work that way. Magic is only potent dependent on someone's belief system.
So it's like a heat seeking missile, but it if controlled by authority and fear.
You are extremely susceptible to doc magic black magic, which you know, the, the East Asia is steeped in superstition and, and fear and many, many times over. I have to help remind my students, either the ones that come from China or across Asia, that this is not the, the foundation of Daoism in any way, shape or form.
[01:10:20] Speaker A: Yeah.
So you're saying black magic is a two way street. Like it only has power when you give it power, right?
[01:10:29] Speaker B: Yes.
But if you're playing in it identic identity politics, then it you, you're in that sphere that you're in the spell. Oh yeah. And so it's as potent as you make it and it will materialize itself like a heat seeking missile.
[01:10:49] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:10:49] Speaker B: Again that's the identity aspect. That's the compartmentalized component to someone's journey.
[01:10:58] Speaker A: Yeah, that's the thing man.
It's like we're all performing magic at all times.
It just depends upon where that magic is casted. Right. How you utilize the magic wand of the body.
And for most of us we don't even know what, we don't know anything of magic. Most people don't even believe in magic. You know, Magic with a K. The dark forces. There's nothing. But just because you don't believe doesn't mean it's not happening.
So everyone is doing that. They're getting spellbound for thousands of years from these dark forces giving up their power, submitting, literally submitting. And it's like, it's like you kind of. How do I put this?
You have to.
You have to be able to take a hold of your own power or else you're going to give up power. There's no choice is what I'm trying to say here. It's like you're either submitting or you're surrendering.
There's no choice. You can't just be like, ah, just. I'll worry about that tomorrow. It's all Taoist thing. It's all yogic path, yeah, I'll do that tomorrow. It's like, no, you don't have a choice. You're doing it today, whether you know it or not. It's happening right now. So do you really want to walk the walk or do you want to just put it off? There's no choice. That's the thing. I think a lot of people think this, the spiritual path, whatever you want to call it, is like a choice. And it's just for the spiritual people. It's just for crazy Gary talking to people on the Internet. It's like, no, you're doing it right now. You're on the spiritual path, right? You're performing the magic. You just don't know you're performing the magic. So that's the big difference. The big difference is really just the knowing, the recognition. Go ahead.
[01:12:45] Speaker B: But making a choice, because you're still bound by the semantics of a dualistic perception.
So perception is so key.
What you're engaged with, what is the foundation of your truth and how far you can continue to experience the absolute truth.
Because there's no distortion there.
There is no lure, there's no wrong turn. There's no form of manipulation and toll.
[01:13:20] Speaker A: No, that's it, man.
You're either with it or against it. A wise man once said, he was not with me, is against me.
[01:13:31] Speaker B: And, and to.
[01:13:33] Speaker A: Now you're going to say, I said, that's the gist.
[01:13:37] Speaker B: And you know, when you, when you perform Taoist magic is to return everything to halt.
So the effects of someone attempting to emanate or put out conjured magic, which is in deficit, only raises their bar to return it to whole.
So every win, win, everyone as sour and as pathetically negative as that person may Be perceived as within this simulation.
The truth be, no. Their return to hold. Then they have to fight the joy, the bliss, the happiness that comes from that convergence.
And eventually they just give up.
Because it's way too easy to surrender.
As opposed to submit.
[01:14:30] Speaker A: Exactly. It's easier.
It's easier, man.
Why not?
It's like even what is not the Dao, or what may be not perceived as the Dao, is still the Dao. It's always all the Dao. It's always God,
[01:14:50] Speaker B: all of it,
[01:14:52] Speaker A: all of it. And always, always was, always is, and always will be, no matter how dark it seems. That's the thing, is even the dark forces are at the will or the whim of God. Just don't know it. They're just playing their little game, trying to hold on to power, you know, trying to grasp the sand in their hand. The tighter they grasp, the faster it eludes their grasp.
That's the thing.
So it's a matter of time. I guess we could say that we'll all be connected in some way, even though we're all connected, like I said, but the recognition is just a matter of time. You know, I think someday, maybe I'm a little naive and idealistic, but someday we'll all come to recognize this holy spirit within the Dao, the Dao that is endowed.
We'll all come to live in the miracle. But until then, the show goes on.
[01:15:51] Speaker B: And it does. It does. For so many people, that manipulation goes on, and they stay in the little hourglass and they keep turning over as the sand pours down into another moment and you keep flipping the switch.
This is part of the phenomenon of the great bellows within Daois contracting and expanding at the same time. You're all things that nothing at the same time.
And your mission, if you choose to accept it, Ethan Hutt, is to go through the labyrinth of the finite mind, from human condition through the labyrinth and out the other side as human being, that holiness, that gateway in superpower, access, empathy, recognize, compassion is for yourself first, and acceptance and allowance is for yourself first, and then, of course, for everyone.
And that returns you to a universal love.
And that is an absolute
[01:17:11] Speaker A: amen, brother.
I think it's a beautiful note to wrap this up at.
[01:17:16] Speaker B: Absolutely, my brother.
[01:17:20] Speaker A: I don't have anything else to say.
I thank you for joining me today, Songsheng, brother.
[01:17:25] Speaker B: The pleasure's been mine. But you. You've had some bangers today, some really good ones.
[01:17:31] Speaker A: Thank you, man.
So did you. This whole thing was a banger, right?
[01:17:35] Speaker B: Well, especially you know, just being.
I'm just high as a kite, man. Yeah, I'm running the juice and you just put it out.
[01:17:45] Speaker A: Hey, can I. Can I read the poem that you sent me? Yeah, that for this conversation. I think that'll be a nice cherry on top of this whole thing. I thought it was very nice. And I said, hey, that was great. You want to talk? And here we are. So I think this would be nice to wrap it up.
[01:18:00] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:18:01] Speaker A: Yeah. So for anyone wondering, San Ching sent me this text and beautiful, wonderful poem that you said it was from Lao Tzu. And I said, thank you, sir. By the way, do you want to have another conversation?
And here we are, so gonna read it for everybody.
Here we go.
Crash.
Peering around the corner as the inner child who never received approval has always been looking to fill the space in between.
Silver midnight, Scared, frightened, confused, disappointed. Life is never the same.
As you cut your hands, as you weep the tears, as you kneel at the altar of discontent. The truth finds you through the emptiness of your heart.
Love is just the beginning.
Resistance is the moment that you arrive.
Let the tears flow, let the heart ache. Beauty comes in all forms.
Silence reveals the true self. Tasting pain, tasting what seemed never to be.
Always wanting, always waiting, never fulfilling.
My dear child, your beauty is in this next breath.
Your pass is clarity from the mind.
Let the body lead you.
Let the heart flutter.
Let the river flow.
Let the last petal of the rose of infinite be your connection with the earth and all that is forever in love.
[01:19:36] Speaker B: Wonderful, powerful, brother. You're the instrument delivering that, and that's powerful.
Thank you, brother.
[01:19:43] Speaker A: I'm just the mouthpiece.
[01:19:46] Speaker B: Well, you're the willow that's concentrating that energy, my brother.
[01:19:52] Speaker A: Why, thank you for sending it.
And thank you for joining me, Sancheng.
And I thank anybody that listened this long as well.
Peace and love to you, and peace and love to the listener.
[01:20:05] Speaker B: Much love, brother.
[01:20:06] Speaker A: Goodbye, y'. All.
