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[00:00:00] Speaker A: I think we should just get right into it, man. How would you describe what elemental sorcery is?
[00:00:06] Speaker B: Yeah, well, well, it's kind of a play on words I'm doing with the title of the book. Elemental Sorcery is, is on one hand, it is dealing with the elements of fire, water, earth, air and spirit. These are these, these five elements we'll dive into. Like those specifically and how those, how those tie into everything. But those, those five elements have been found throughout many traditions and throughout the ages as being the, the baseline of our entire, our entire reality. But then also I'm giving through this a structure for sorcery, how, how magic actually works, how to work magic, how to craft your own spells, how to call spirits. Because all. It's all one field of an etheric field that you're operating within.
And, and so these elements.
Well, let me actually, let me go back, Let me go back to the beginning, if you don't mind.
Back to the very first civilization, back to Samaria and Babylon.
They started to use the symbol of the pentagram.
And for them it was marking space. It was area under control. And that's a very important thing that the pentagram and the idea of magic has always contained within it is you're going into the wilderness or into chaos, and you're marking it with order, with order. And you're, you're imposing a divine order, a magical order.
And for the Babylonians, it was, you know, even a military and, and governmental order. But it's always had that, that, that connotation. It was specifically marked on maps for, for parts of the land.
So the pentagram in its earliest days starts getting linked to the land and to nature and to bringing nature under your authority.
Now that, that continues, you know, the, the religion and spirituality of the ancients seems like it, like it seems like it was very advanced and then became very, very not advanced. Like there was a major collapse or a civilization that got wiped out or something. Because, because we do see the very anc.
Great spiritual and possible technological advancements, but at this age of the Babylonians, they're wiped back to building things out of mud and trying to figure out how the spirits are interacting with them. It's like they're wiped back to ground zero. And so with this, we see them kind of rebuilding or building the magical and spiritual philosophies. So for a few thousand years, it's kind of, there's a, there's slow development until the Greeks come along. When the Greeks came along, they took magic and the understanding of of our connection to our world and our connection to the supernatural world. And they took that to the next freaking level. And, and so with that, they started understanding. Well, the points of the pentagram can easily be laid on the five principles of the five elements of existence.
And so they got fire, water, earth, and air. They were having a hard time figuring out what that fifth one was. But every philosopher could understood that those four elements, if left just unchecked and unbalanced, they all devolve into chaos. You know, fire just burns itself out and water just smothers, et cetera.
There needs to be a harmonizing force. Now, the early, the early Greek philosophers called this love. And this was a really interesting.
This is a really interesting aspect I think modern witchcraft has lost because we've converted that into spirit, that it's fire, water, earth, air, and spirit. But to the ancient Greeks, there were two aspects of spirit. There was. There was love and, and separation or contrast or contradiction. And. And one brings the elements together and makes things harmonize. The other disperses them, makes them chaotic. And, and so with magic, what you're trying to do is you're trying to bring harmony into your life, into your world, into the world that you're existing in through your magic, trying to bring it into the order that you see fit.
And, and by working with the elements directly, you're kind of harnessing. Because it's not just fire that, you know, you light a candle and that's fire, but fire, that's also in your metabolism. Fire, that's also in, in the movement of events around you. Fire, that's in the burning of the sun. And, and so you can, you can use the fire element to, to do very specific things magically that maybe the water element wouldn't be so great for, or use the fire element to then balance it with water.
But yeah, as a, kind of an overview, does that make sense at first?
[00:05:02] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:05:03] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:05:05] Speaker A: So that's why in all these rituals and pujas, there is the essence of taking a hold of these elements. Like specifically, fire comes to mind and it reflects in your life in some way.
[00:05:20] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. Well, even with, even with a puja, you're going to have.
If you're working consciously with fire, that's what you're consciously working with. But if you've got an altar or a table there that's holding physical things, that's automatically the earth element. If there's incense there, that's air. If there's not incense and you're doing mantra, that's also air mantra. Can also be air and fire.
If you're doing mantra along with yogic postures, that's air, fire and earth. The earth rounding through your body. And so with this, as, as I, as I'm looking at elemental magic, it's not like this is just one form of magic.
This is the structure that's behind all of it. That when you look at all magical or even spiritual forms, you know, in Hinduism, they get extremely precise with this, actually, because they break it down further from. From just fire, water, earth, and air.
I don't. I don't know the. I can't remember the exact names, but it's like kapha and vata and such for the. For the different fiery, earthy and airy and watery elements. And so with Ayurveda, you know, they look at this as. You can, you can heal your body if you. If you've got too much earth in you and you're feeling lazy and slow and you can't get motivated, maybe you need to put a little bit of water first to wash the earth away. Do that for a little bit. And then you might want to start working with air to lift yourself up. And then if you still need a little more energy, then start working with fire. And so you can actually create, like, a pathway of healing for you or you look at your.
Look around your life. Fire. So fire is my face. My. It's my favorite of the elements. I think just. It is.
It does have the.
The ability to create instant transformation. And so if you want. If you want to, if there's anything that you're working on that you need to make that happen, immediately start injecting that fire. And, And a way to do that, like you mentioned with the puja, is, is to bring it into yourself to. To become a channel for it.
Become a channel for it that doesn't get burned by your own process.
[00:07:29] Speaker A: Oh, it's good stuff. Okay. I like where we're going here because I've seen a lot of poojes. I've been in a decent amount of rituals, and I'm always like, you know, it's a nice show, but why. Why are we doing all this stuff? Why the incense?
Why this nice fixture, we could say at the altar? And this is making a lot of sense to me. You know, this. It's like, it's all based around the elements. And
[00:08:01] Speaker B: with.
[00:08:01] Speaker A: Go ahead.
[00:08:02] Speaker B: I'm sorry. Sorry. Sorry to cut you off. I'm going to interrupt.
[00:08:05] Speaker A: Please do, but go ahead.
[00:08:07] Speaker B: So. So you've got sacred geometry, right? So when you step into a temple, if it's, if it's constructed properly, you're going to feel quiet. Like there's a quiet inside of a temple and that quiet isn't there. It's not just because there's nobody saying shush. If you're in a good temple, nobody's having to shush you. But there's a feeling of that that's actually created from the architecture itself, that the angles of the building, the space, the space, the way that the, the ceiling is vaulted, all of these things are done very, very intentionally to create an unconscious, instantaneous, even a physical effect when you walk into these spaces. And we can see this mim society, you know, you go to a, if you go to a really high class boardroom, they're using some of the exact same things to try to manipulate the, the, the, you know, the board into their, their decisions or whatever. So we can see the, that this is when we're looking at the, the process of the ritual, then we're looking at a different kind of structure, but it's just as real as the architecture. And so, and it's not just that you're lighting incense and you're doing this, but, but if the rituals constructed properly, there's a, there's a chain that you're doing it in.
So for instance, if I, if I'm trying to manifest something, fire, water, earth, air and spirit is the perfect combination. If I'm trying to evoke something, you want to mix it up a little bit. Because with evocation, you want to go from the least dense or the most subtle element to the most dense. And then spirit to manifest the spirit as physically as possible. So you go, air, air, fire, water, earth and spirit is the best combination for that. I put these all in the book for sure. But it is when you're constructing a ritual to think about that of like, what actions am I doing and what element is that bringing in first and how you know. And that can be as simple as lighting the candles first or the incense first, or giving a mantra first or thinking about the order of operations is going to create a, a different funnel of energy in the ritual itself.
[00:10:18] Speaker A: I see.
[00:10:19] Speaker B: Because you can do the opposite if you want to. If you want to take something and something's bothersome in your life that you want to make evaporate, you would start with earth and then work your way to the more subtle until you release it.
[00:10:32] Speaker A: This is making a lot of sense. This is cool.
See, I've always felt the power of ritual and magic Altogether.
But I never really understood, and I'm understanding it literally in the moment now, how it works. I just know it works. I just know there's proof in the pudding. Right?
But when you relate it to the elements, I could see.
I could see it. But to me right now, and I'm kind of like taking the devil's advocate stance here, like the people listening, that's still on the fence.
How does that. So how does working with the elements in a direct manner like that translate into us? Is there sort of a contagion effect? Like some kind of elemental contagion effect, some metaphysical contagion effect when you work with the elements that magically transfers into your own life. You know what I'm getting out here. Like, where is the gap bridged between the ritual to your life?
[00:11:29] Speaker B: I'm so glad you asked that because that is. That is the important thing. And this is. This is where we see as above. So below we see this. Yeah, I don't know if you've heard that before, but that's definitely actually comes from the Emerald Tablet of Thoth, Ancient Egyptian manuscript that's supposedly written by the God Thoth himself and or Thoth. And that was one of the.
That was one of the big things that he put in the. As above, so below. And so with this on a cosmic scale, we can see water as the space between. Between stars and the space in galaxy. We can also see maybe air being present there in that form. Air is probably going to be more present actually around the stars and planets themselves as the atmosphere. And then the stars being the gases that are emitting from the stars. Fire is present in the solar radiation, the actual churning of the plasma inside the sun. That's fire.
And I'm sure there's earthen elements in there as well, with any kind of thing that's inside of there being churned. And so on the grandest scale we've got, and then the movement of all of this, as all the galaxies are moving, that movement is being moved. The fire is the thing that's moving it. And air is being created by that movement. And it's transiting through the water, these beings or these bodies of Earth. And so again, it's like we can see it on the high level. On the immediate level, though, the furthest down I think we want to go is ourselves. And that's.
The earth is in our bones. The fire is in our metabolism, it's in our willpower, it's in our thoughts. Air is also in our thoughts. And it's in our clarity of thought. It's in our intuition.
Water also ties into our intuition as well as, like, our. Just our bodily processes and the fact that most of our bodies are water.
And so there's a resonance that's created because it's all the same thing. And so as I'm lighting a candle, I'm also connecting with the solar flares. I'm also connecting with the metabolism and the will within me.
I'm connecting with every piece of fire that exists and tapping into that. Because reality, if you can imagine the empty space, is not empty at all, and it's a field of energy.
And if you're able to lock onto these five major currents of energy, then you're able to really pluck the string and everything that's fired is going to be affected by your pluck.
[00:14:02] Speaker A: Yeah. Wow. Okay.
It's like the elemental dao.
[00:14:09] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Really? It really is. It is.
[00:14:15] Speaker A: And essentially that gives us power. Right. So doing all of this gives us power. It gives us freedom, gives us love, happiness, you know, many different things, but it gives us a sense of liberation in conducting ourselves how we want to conduct ourselves here.
[00:14:33] Speaker B: I mean, it does all those. And those are all illusions at the same time.
Those are. Those are like fun games that we play.
This is. This has been something like. Is my. This is my current meditation as I come out of my meditations to go like, what.
What it feels like we're doing with all of it, with magic, with meditation, with prayer. When we really break through,
[00:14:57] Speaker A: it feels
[00:14:57] Speaker B: like we're fish that are in this very small fishbowl. And for a second, we leap out and we get a look at reality before we fall back into the water.
And. And so it's like my.
My whole life has become. Trying to make as many of those leaps as possible and trying to stay as much as long as I can with my head up there so I can look at what's really going on before I come back in here. And with that, it is. It is like a clearer because. Yeah, you know, power, control, all of that. What. What's really going on underneath all of that is a clarifying of your relationship with yourself and the reality around you.
And. And. And that there's no. There's no real difference at all between the things that you're experiencing outside in your circumstances and what you're experiencing inside. And. And. And that's a big part of it. We're already.
We're already all gods. The process of becoming gods is. Is br.
And remembering that we're already creating everything. This is, this is the beautiful thing about existence is, you know, we're. We're creatures that are creators inside the creation. This is. It's like a remarkable thing that's been done here that is really easy to take for granted.
[00:16:13] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. The miracle is always hidden in plain sight, man.
[00:16:19] Speaker B: They're the miracles.
Vic Nhat Yan says the miracle is not to want on water, but to walk on the green earth.
And it's like, yeah, yeah, no, we're already living the miracle. We're already doing it.
[00:16:35] Speaker A: That's kind of part of the miracle is it's hidden. It's almost a secret, you know?
[00:16:42] Speaker B: Yeah, I feel like it's been kept secret. So. So
[00:16:49] Speaker A: like on purpose, you're saying?
[00:16:51] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And, and, and the more the. I, I don't, I don't necessarily think that the secrets have been kept secret so much by, like, lodges that are only keeping it to their initiates and stuff. I think the truth of ourselves and our reality has been hidden, hidden from us through framing that we've been given a very specific frame of reality. And that frame is a very materialistic reality. And that frame, I believe, is meant to turn these glorious godlike beings that we are into robots, into slaves. And it's successfully done that you go to, you go to work and you do the thing and you pay your taxes and you pay your mortgage and we all just slip into it because that's the frame we're given. And when you step outside of that frame, you're like, wait a minute. I jumped out of the fishbowl and I saw that this is all bs none of it, none of this game is meaningful, that you're a weirdo, then you're an outsider to our society.
Yeah, yeah. You know when I say. I've said before and people kind of take. Take issue with this, I, I say that there's. Our society hasn't made a proper place for the shaman. And people are like, oh, what do you mean? There's shamans everywhere. You know what? Well, yeah, but we're all still kind of sitting on the outskirts of reality, kind of as pirates trying to.
Trying to. To do our thing in, In a sane society.
And we'd all be shaman.
[00:18:22] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly.
The shaman is few and far between, that's for sure.
So, you know, if we do see that we are all gods creating this as we go, literally quantum in that way, right. We're creating this whole thing that's part of the miracle, do you think that we even have to do the rituals at an absolute sense. Right, because you said they are an illusion. Right. They work, but they're also an illusion at the same time. Do you think, in an absolute godly sense, that we even have to do the rituals or if we were in tune enough with ourselves, the. The complete shaman that we are, the shamanic power that we have, that the ritual is more of like an internal thing, but because we're not tapped in as much as we could be, we have to perform the external, physical rituals?
[00:19:18] Speaker B: Yeah, no, no, I think you. I think you hit the nail on the head right there for sure.
But what you'll see is.
What you'll see is the process.
And, you know, we can overlay the elements. I think the elements is a really great way of overlaying it, to understand it. But I also know that that understanding is not perfect, and it's just symbols that we're using within the illusion.
But there are separate currents and their processes of how those currents unite.
And, you know, if you're conscious of it and you consciously construct a ritual, you know, fire, water, earth and air, and make sure you can do that really well, but that process is still going to go on intuitively. And it doesn't disappear. If you're not lighting the candles and the incense and saying the chance and all of that, that process doesn't disappear. It just becomes internal. So it becomes an invisible process. And it usually come a lot faster that you're able to, you know, enter into the state, drop the thing. You won't notice that you're, you know, maybe using fire to get rid of whatever. Whatever agitations in your body, and then using air as you breathe to lower yourself down into a watery state inside of yourself, to really sink into a roundedness within earth. You probably won't have, like, the conscious understanding that at all. And it's better if you don't. But the process is still happening invisibly and underneath. And is it so is that as powerful?
Boy, I think I. With. With this. I also think that it's good to. It's good for me to kind of bifurcate it with what am I trying to achieve if I'm trying to.
Because if I'm trying to manifest something, create something through the ritual, I want to be a bit more present here and pull the power here, to use it here.
Whereas if I'm. And. And so with that, I'll probably want to have some candles and incense and have the elements physically represented, especially if I want a physical goal, because I'm I'm pulling the power here. Whereas if I'm just trying to get in contact or if I'm trying to elevate myself, it would probably be best for me to not do anything physical and just to lose myself in the process, but to kind of, kind of look at that and go, what is it that I'm trying to achieve? And now the reason for this. Are you familiar with the term or concept of Axis Mundi?
[00:21:54] Speaker A: I've heard of it, but can you refresh my memory?
[00:21:56] Speaker B: Yeah, for sure. So this is the axis of worlds. In almost every system they see reality as a pole, a middle pillar going through reality.
Our world and our physical existence is about halfway on that pole. The heavens are up here, the hells are down here. And what this is looking at is so in our reality, through our spiritual practices, we get closer to the center of that pole and then through all spiritual practices, they all merge into one. That's why you see the exact same symbols, the exact same teachings being told as you get closer and closer to the center of that axis. And then once you're in the center, it's a matter of do you want to go up or down? And it's not a good or, or evil thing. Are you trying to bring something non physical and manifest it physically or are you trying to make, take something physical and elevate it? And with that that's just going to determine are you going to go up or down? And that'll determine whether you work with angels or demons. It's not a good or evil thing, it's just what direction are you taking your energy.
[00:23:07] Speaker A: I mean what ironically came up for me is the symbol of the cross and Jesus. Jesus was like the master musician, magician, you know.
[00:23:17] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:23:17] Speaker A: He was able to do this stuff without ritual supposedly.
[00:23:21] Speaker B: Well, you know, so, so interesting. I, you know, I grew up Mormon and reading, reading the Bible. I, you know, I don't remember as a kid we didn't actually read the Book of Mormon at all. We'd read, we'd read from the Bible every day. That's how, that's how I learned how to read was from, from the Bible. And yeah, the, the, the teachings of Jesus really. I mean this is the man. Like if you've got anything to learn, it's really disappointing if you, if, if God really comes in the flesh just once, once in all creation, he puts himself in a body, he doesn't bother writing a book, he doesn't bother like, you know, he's sitting down and really explaining what it's all about and come on like any. Anyways, a great magician for sure. For, for sure. But with that he would, before all of his miracles, he would go out into seclusion. He'd go spend some time out in the wilderness, just meditating, gathering his energy. Then he'd come out, do this miracle and then they go party. He'd go ground himself and party and just, and whatever. And it's, it's, it's interesting to watch because there even seems to be a process. It's not just that, it's not just that he's doing it without any ritual. It's just that they're not describing what, what he's doing in the background because nobody's seeing it.
[00:24:34] Speaker A: Yeah, that's part of the mystery and majesty of Jesus. He was doing all this stuff. He didn't write anything down.
And he was killed for it ultimately.
Yeah, he was a master magician, whether you are into fundamental Christianity or not. He was a sorcerer.
[00:24:51] Speaker B: Well, you know, and I'll tell you what, like the, the, the.
There's a lot to meditate on within the Christian mythology for sure. And within, within Jesus and what he represents and what he was trying to teach through his actions.
What, what example was he trying to lead and with that, you know, getting, he was getting crucified next to two other guys that were getting crucified. It was just another, you know, Friday. It was just what they did.
He was just another victim of the state. Like there are many today, victims of the state.
And it's not that he was killed for me, it's the man. It's.
There's something I hate about it and that I also really admire and love about it. Of giving yourself into the fate that's coming to you. Giving yourself into the suffering and not fighting it, you know, not trying to get out of it, not casting lightning on your enemies, but just going, you know what, like if this is what's supposed to be, then it's, I'll do it. And that's a, there's a huge non attachment there that I, that I can see. But, but at the same time there's also.
It would have to be done out of pure non attachment and maybe out of love rather than just giving up. Because it's a different spirit entirely. And that's why I hate it. That's why I hate it because I'm like it looks at the surface like giving up, but you know, underneath what invisibly was happening.
[00:26:27] Speaker A: Well, this is what was invisibly happening is he knew there was more Power in his own sacrifice than if we were to fight the fight, you know, like that the greatest way that he could conduct the ritual essentially of his sacrifice was to be sacrificed himself. And there was no greater power to that, you know, there was no greater power to show his teachings, to show his way than to go up on the cross. If he were to fight and resist like you said he wouldn't. It wouldn't have had as much power.
So that's the majesty I think of Jesus.
[00:27:02] Speaker B: Yeah. And then the sure knowledge.
The sure knowledge that this isn't the end. There's a. There's a. There's a paradise and I've got castles there that wait for us and you'll meet me there. And assureness that then in the mythology is resolved. He gets it. Like, it happens. Hey, it's real. Like, it is a beautiful story of like. And that is. I'll tell you what, that's one big thing that's got me through my periods of suffering and trials is going, you know what? Like, this is. Whatever this is. This is not the whole reality. There's a whole bigger thing out there that you're tapping into.
[00:27:38] Speaker A: So, yeah, like you said, this is sort of a plaything. This is like a playground. One can see, once you do step out of the fishbowl, you see that the fishbowl isn't meant to be taken so serious.
[00:27:50] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:27:56] Speaker A: And, yeah, in a way, you see, it's not real, right?
[00:28:00] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, it's not real. You know, Jim. Jim Carrey does this thing where he. He showed up before they replaced him with his most recent clone or whatever. He. He showed up several years ago to. To like a red carpet event. And he. He's spinning circles around the. The interviewer lady that's trying to get serious with him and ask him some questions. And he says, none of this is real. Don't you see? None of this is real. But isn't that a pleasant aroma? And I thought, that's reality right there. None of it's real. But isn't that a pleasant aroma? And with. Oh, dude, this is none of this to reduce suffering at all. Like, that's. That's one thing I think a lot of people mistake with spiritual practice. They're like, oh, you know, I'm suffering so much.
I'm sorry, but the spiritual practice is just going to shine a clear light on why you're suffering, is going to make you actually see it. But that's. That's okay, because it's not about getting out of suffering or diminishing suffering.
A good part of it is going through suffering. Suffering is a. It's a. It's a huge. Whatever your suffering is, there's so many sensations. There's so much experience within it.
And maybe you don't think you want that experience, but there's. There's. It's. It's. It's rich. It's like any.
[00:29:19] Speaker A: Any.
[00:29:19] Speaker B: Anytime you're suffering, there's a bed that you're. You're sitting in of all kinds of cool stuff that doesn't happen if you're comfortable.
[00:29:28] Speaker A: That's the aroma.
[00:29:30] Speaker B: It's the aroma. Beautiful, beautiful aroma. Yeah.
[00:29:34] Speaker A: Yeah. And then in that interview, I think the lady goes something like, I'll actually play it. I'll put it in after this.
[00:29:41] Speaker B: Nice.
[00:29:42] Speaker A: The girl goes, wait, so you're saying none of this is real? And then Jim Carrey goes, yeah, but that's the good news.
[00:29:51] Speaker B: None of this is real.
[00:29:52] Speaker A: Nope.
[00:29:53] Speaker B: So you're just passing. We don't matter. We don't matter. Oh, wow. There's the good news. Okay, that's hilarious. And it's true. And it is true.
And, you know, and it's.
I mean, it seemed. And. And this is. This is the beauty of it. It is. Does seem very, very real. And that's part of the game. This is. This is the.
And, you know, when we use. When we talk about, like, reality might be, what do they say?
Like a projection or a simulation.
[00:30:26] Speaker A: Simulate.
[00:30:26] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. It's like. Well, that's using our crude technology to. To make sense of it. But there is kind of like. I think that people have been saying very similar things. You know, the. In the early Industrial Revolution, people were saying, oh, yeah, reality is kind of like a train that runs with all these ge. Because that's the technology they had to explain it. But as far back as we can go, I mean, same thing. Wheels.
Reality is like a wheel. It's always spinning. These. These metaphors have always been used because it's a. It's an understanding of the. The inner. Inner mechanics and inner workings of what I call the etheric field. And not just me. That's what it's been called.
[00:31:06] Speaker A: That's so funny with the wheel. I never thought about it like that. That was the original simulation theory.
The wheel.
[00:31:12] Speaker B: Yeah, Right.
[00:31:12] Speaker A: It's the wheel of Dharma.
[00:31:16] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:31:18] Speaker A: And then there'll be another metaphor sometime in the future.
[00:31:22] Speaker B: Oh, for sure, for sure. Well, then. And that is the.
Within the game, within the illusion, can you ever actually grasp what's beyond it? You know, I don't, I don't know that you can't. And, and this is. So this is what I've also been landing on at death. I don't think you're emerging from the illusion. I think you're enter another illusion and being recycled through the illusory process.
I don't think that there is any.
I don't think, I don't think of the, at the base of it. I don't think there's any movement happening up or down or through. It's all a dream happening within the, the mind of what we call God.
[00:32:04] Speaker A: Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay. Yeah, we're getting into the weeds here.
Yeah, yeah.
[00:32:11] Speaker B: So for sure, what happens when you die?
[00:32:13] Speaker A: Man, that's like the cliche question. But yeah, it, it's like we're not going anywhere else. Right, is what you're saying. It's like there's not much of a transformation because I think that's what people think in terms of what happens when you die. You go to heaven, you reincarnate, go into another. Another body. But are you saying it's more of just like a continuation of what's going on now?
[00:32:35] Speaker B: Well, well, that if you go, if you go to a heaven or, or a hell, that's just an illusion. That's just another, another layer of the illusion.
[00:32:43] Speaker A: I see, so you're saying the illusion doesn't end
[00:32:49] Speaker B: or it, or you know, or it does. You know, or it does. Well, that's the thing. So here's the. But. But. All right, all right. With that, with that.
When I'll, I'll be in.
It's actually usually not extremely deep meditative states. It's actually kind of when I'm like floating at the surface.
I've gotten like thought, thoughtlessness and I'm just kind of floating there. And it's pleasant that I, I will have mandalas that start to appear in my vision.
Just full on, colorful mandalas. And sometimes they become very, very vivid. And it can feel. It feels like I have put on virtual reality goggles and I'm just looking at like some psychedelic crazy VR system.
But it feels.
Those are the moments that feel most like I've come fully out of the fishbowl. And so it is.
And the same thing, you know, with, with dimethyltryptamine elf states that it's a very similar thing where it's like, I don't. This doesn't seem like it's part of the construct. It seems like the machinery behind it.
[00:34:03] Speaker A: Huh.
[00:34:04] Speaker B: So, yeah, so, so I do think.
But, but so, so let's, let's, let's think through this a little bit.
There's no real gods there. There's no real forms there. It's not ancestors and stuff like that. It's, it's, it's a connection with pure energy, with pure spirit. And, and, And I don't, I don't think that that's somewhere we get to. That's where we're living right now. We're living inside of that beautiful matrix and we're just, we've got these layers on us of illusion. And so, so I think it does seem necessary to break beyond that to, to drop, to drop all form. This is where it goes back to the dao of the, the dao that can be spoken is not the true dao. And, and so it's like the, the form of God. You've got to drop that. The name of God, you got to drop that. The idea of self, you've got to drop the idea of reality entirely. Just drop that. And then you can emerge into what I do think is a true reality. But hey, that might be an illusion too because that's, you know, that's what Terence McKenna used to say about these states is that, that this isn't the real reality either, but it's like a nursery for the baby gods that are emerging from it.
[00:35:27] Speaker A: Wow. Okay. This is like the, this is the prequel in some way.
[00:35:33] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And not, not this that we're living in now. When we emerge into these higher states of consciousness, into these multi dimensional fractal spaces through, through psychedelics or through. See that's the thing. The psyched just give you access to the same thing that can be done through yoga, through breath work and all of this.
You just have psychedelics can be, it's more like a shotgun blast in the face with it rather than, rather than a trickle of something that you can manage because it is a very, very similar, similar experience.
And that, that state, yeah, that's not the ultimate reality, but that's like the training grounds. That's our, that's our little container that we can enter to learn how to, to operate in a multi dimensional framework before we can ever experience the greater reality. That was, that was, I think that was mechanical's thought with it.
[00:36:28] Speaker A: Well, I believe many other people have said that in one way or the other.
And ultimately, man, I think it's up to you. It's like you can have that reality if you want that. If you want to Emerge from this one into the next one, per se, if you want it. But if you don't want it, most people don't. I believe you're just gonna come back and do the same exact thing until you get the message. And that's the Eastern philosophies take, you know, in terms of Buddhism and karma, things of that nature. We've been doing this for millions of lifetimes. And until you get the message, until you start to follow the path, you're gonna keep doing it.
You're gonna keep doing it for millions and millions and more lifetimes. Go ahead.
[00:37:10] Speaker B: Well, a lot of people feel like it's a curse. And if I had a choice, I'm coming right back. I'm coming back as quick as I can. Like, this is, this is a really fun experience. This is. Even with all the suffering. I mean, I would. If, if I'm able to choose circumstance, they, you know, this, there is a thought, and I don't know if I believe this or not, there's a thought. You can choose your circumstances, you choose your parents, you choose the things that are going to happen. You almost like, create a map of the big events that you're going to experience along the way. You get to choose how you respond to those through your life. But those things are going to happen. And, and that's, that's. I don't know if I believe that, but that's an interesting way of thinking about it.
[00:37:47] Speaker A: Yeah, I guess it's like, when do you choose it? Do you choose it in the afterlife? Some people say that, you know, you have the soul plan, your soul chooses it, or do you choose it in this life by the choices and decisions that you make in this life? And I am on the boat of you choose it all in this life. Everything that we're doing in this is the prequel. And maybe, yeah, you go to the Deva realm, maybe you actually do go to heaven, or maybe you do come back as a human. It's hard to say, you know, it's hard to generalize in that manner. But I think all in all, it's like you're choosing not just for this life, you're choosing also for what comes next. And I'm also in agreement with you. I would do this again too. And I think that also has to do with freedom and enlightenment. I think an enlightened being is in some way. This is sometimes, this is a thought that crosses my mind.
Who knows? If you go to the devil realm, the heaven realm, you know, you go to the dmt Elf realm, maybe, I think enlightenment or touching upon enlightenment. The path is being okay with being human again and again and again and again and again, being okay with constant reincarnation, being okay with forever in that sense. And that's a different kind of forever, because.
Okay, we're getting pretty deep here.
[00:39:04] Speaker B: That was Ravana's offering to. That was Ravana's offering to Shiva. That. That Ravana says, I love you so much, Shiva, and I. I will do anything for you. I will sacrifice even my own self. And cuts off his own head and. And she. Shiva brings him back and is like, you know, thanks, but that's kind of unnecessary. He's like, oh, you're not impressed by that? Let me do it again. And 10 times he cuts off his own head and sacrifices himself over and over each time to sh. But.
[00:39:34] Speaker A: But.
[00:39:34] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, just reminded me of that story. But.
But. But I think there is a.
There's something very special about this incarnation, about this reality. Again, back to. To Faye, that the. The miracle is to walk on that green grass. We're all living the miracle.
It seems like all the spirits and gods and devils are very obsessed with us, with this realm and with interacting with us, because this is special. I think that there's a. That what we do here, and not even what we do. What we do can be important, but not nearly as important as what we become through what we do and what other people become through what we do. Because that is. I think that is the whole blossoming is that we are. We are in this transformation. We are becoming beings, regardless of whatever your path is. It's coming from a dude who works with demons. We're becoming beings of light.
And. And so.
[00:40:30] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know what you mean in terms of. We're becoming beams of light. And one may say, like light and love or, you know, Kumbaya light. We have that association with light, right? In terms of the good guys, per se. The light versus the dark. Right? It's the light side or the dark side. But I think if you look at light not in terms of a moralistic way, it makes more sense almost in a elemental way, you know, as its own element. Like, we're. We're literally lightening ourselves. We're transforming ourselves into the. A different variation of elemental configuration, you could say, and we already are light, but it seems like we're becoming lighter. You know, we're becoming. Not constrained to the body so much anymore, right? Through all of these practices and rituals and modalities, it seems like we're slowly and slowly setting the foundation of becoming these. These light beings and not having to, you know, eat three times a day, take a. Every day, you know, be constrained to the elements in that way, to be more free in that way. And I think that's ultimately why we do what we do is because we're transforming, we're metamorphosizing into this new being that maybe. Maybe this is just me off the top of my head. That has never been done before. Maybe that's why all of these other beings are so interested in us, because we're like. Like the grand experiment that has never been done before, and we're doing it all on our own accord. You know, that's just off the top of my head, but it rings true. Maybe that's why all of these powerful beings are so interested in us, because this is something new, man.
[00:42:06] Speaker B: Yeah,
[00:42:14] Speaker A: Could be. I don't know. It could also be like we're just becoming like the angels that. That we work with. We're becoming like these demons that we work with already, and they just want us to join the party.
I have no idea. I'm just riffing here.
[00:42:26] Speaker B: I know. I think I. I think the both of those things you said do. Do combine here. Because every entity that I've ever asked about, why do you help us? Like, why do you. Why do you even care? Why do you come forth? Why do you help us? Is.
It's framed in a lot of different ways with words or the impressions I'll get from that. But it's the same message of we're trying to become like them, and at the same time, they're trying to become like us and that they're not trying to become like what we are now. But there's a merger point where the things of divinity, the things beyond, merge with the things here, and that somehow there's a lack of separation between the two. And indeed, that is the great illusion that there is a separation.
That's the Kali Yuga. It's multiple steps, multiple illusions that we've cast up to tell ourselves that we're not currently living with all of the gods.
[00:43:33] Speaker A: So that begs the question, then, why would they want to become more human? What is it about being human that is so special?
[00:43:47] Speaker B: There's a.
It seems like we're like. Like we're almost like grounding rods for spiritual power. Power. You know, again, reading the Bible in my childhood, it really always amazed me that when God wants to do something, he has a person say something or do something, whether it's just, you Know, go hold your staff up and the river will change. If you don't hold your staff, the river doesn't do the thing.
If you don't throw your staff on the ground, it doesn't turn into a serpent. There's a little thing the human being has to do to ground that power.
And. And. And again, this comes back to the. The Axis Mundi and the travel into manifestation through lighting candles and doing ground the power.
[00:44:36] Speaker A: Yeah, I see what you mean.
That just brings up the passage, paraphrasing here.
God became man, so man can become God.
[00:44:47] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:44:48] Speaker A: So these two forces are working in cahoots. It's not like they're independent forces. It's like we somehow, in some very magical way, these two forces were working with each other and not opposites. Well, I guess, in a way, but it's like this. I see. Like a toroidal force. We're working with each other to. To blend our energies and our powers. We work like.
[00:45:14] Speaker B: It's.
[00:45:15] Speaker A: How do I put this, man? It's such a.
It's so difficult to describe. Like, I see images, you know, and I try to bring those images into words sometimes it's a little tough, but I see these, like, two opposing forces that seem opposing but are really just working together to, I think, again, create something new.
[00:45:37] Speaker B: Yeah, well, and the creation of something new, I think, is. I think, you know, you've mentioned that a couple times now, and that is, again, that's a huge part of the game, like, novelty. It's, you know, how can. Can. Can you crazy monkeys down here fix you figure out something that has never been done before? Yeah, I think we can. And we're. And we're doing it. That's. That's awesome. That is. And that is. And whenever we. Whenever we lock on to something new, whenever there's an innovation that gives us a biological reward, we get. We get a. Well, first off, it gives us a biological reward in being able to live longer, being able to reproduce. Reproduce with less. Less, you know, infant death and all of this. That's the reward of our advancement, but also an instantaneous. The new phone comes out, you got the new gadgets. Oh, that gives you a physical thrill. So I think it is like. Like innovation is built into this entire game. It's. It's what we're. It's what we're rewarded most highly to do. And so, you know, we all spend our lives trying to do that one thing.
But.
But, yeah, you know, it. It's. There. There's. In the Avestas which are like ancient pre Zoroastrian religious texts. They talk about the two opposing forces. So you had the, had God God the creator, this kind of the unknowable God that creates two aspects.
Angra Mainu or Ariman, that's the, the Lord of Darkness and then Oramazda, that's the, the God of Light.
And for a very long time they keep, they keep separate to each other and they kind of taunt each other across the gap, but they, they don't really. And they, they taunt each other but, but they understand at some point nothing is going to be created unless they interact. Unless you get a little bit of chaos into that order. That's when things start to stir. And so they actually had to come to an agreement of cooperation in order to get things moving. And then, then it becomes this, this, this theme throughout existence that, that we want to keep chaos at bay. We want to keep it and keep as much order as possible.
But it's going to be impossible to keep chaos out completely. And that' because it's a necessary force. And so this is kind of built into these, these ancient myths where it's not like the devil's evil and needs to be put into outer darkness. No, no, no. Like he actually needs to run rampant and do, do or, or to run in check. Which would be a better way to say it.
[00:48:11] Speaker A: Yeah, run in check. I like that.
It seems like what we're describing is a very deep love affair.
[00:48:23] Speaker B: Yeah, for sure, for sure.
[00:48:27] Speaker A: Yeah. Like how you just described it. I'm like, that sounds like a relationship right there. And it is. I mean, our relationships, I think are just a reflection of that universal relationship. But Shiva and Shakti, you know, for sure.
[00:48:42] Speaker B: It's interesting too when you read, you know, Song of Solomon or even, even parts of, of the writings of the apostle John.
These are love songs, love songs to Jesus, love songs to God. Read the writings of Rumi love songs and, and you know, it's.
I listen to Al Green and I don't, you know, it's perfect make out music, but I don't ever listen to that and think about girls. That's, that's my, that's my, that's my love song of, of just thinking about the higher reality that I'm trying to connect with. And the love and the, the roses that I want to bring.
I want to take it into my bosom, you know, and it's.
Yeah. And because it is, you know, there is, there is, there is even a Kundalini nature that combines Ecstasy, sexuality, sensuality, into our spirituality. For sure.
It's, It's. It's the same. It's the same current. It's the same energy spiraling up.
[00:49:44] Speaker A: Exactly. Yeah.
That's what's at the basis of, I mean, our human experience, sexuality. But I think everything. Everything is a love affair. Everything is this very intimate.
That's the. That's it. It's like. It's intimacy. That's what this is all about. It's intimacy. And then ultimately you can take that into the human form. What does intimacy do?
It creates something new. It creates new people. Right. When you fall in love with somebody and you have sex, what happens? Sometimes you create something new. So that's going along the same.
The same idea of the. The new creation. I think that's. That's just like. That's the reflection of it right in our own love affairs. And there's something going on here, man, where we're creating. We're birthing something new through the energies, through what we do here, through all these practices, through, you know, us extending ourselves into the spirit realm and doing all this work, and then the spirits extending themselves to us. It's this new thing that isn't even a thing that is being created as we go. And that is part of the miracle, and that's part of the mystery, I think, of just this experience is that it's not over. You know, like, I feel like we all have this weird assumption that it's over, right? Or it's going to be over. It's like, no. If anything, it's just beginning.
That's what I sense. At least that's just me.
[00:51:12] Speaker B: Yeah. No, for sure. Well, and. And with that, you know, you just described there the.
What Crowley called the formula of tetragrammaton, that all of reality is being held together by one thing, one thing meeting another thing. So two opposite things meeting and combining. And through their combination, a new thing is produced. Produced. And along with that new thing is the ecstasy and the experience and the invisible, invisible, intangible beauty of it all. And so with that, it's like that. It is. And, and, and then that new thing that. That new baby gets to grow up and go meet some girl that he loves and. And do the. And do this all again. It was such a beautiful, beautiful, remarkable process.
One thing I was thinking about, though, when you. You said, you know, about our transformation. And I live.
My house is kind of right next to the wilderness. There's just nothing but wilderness for miles behind me. And so I get a Lot of stray animals, dogs and cats that'll come in and I'll feed them and sometimes take them to people. But you know, most of the time I keep them as long as I can. And one of the things that, that it struck me after a few times of doing this, taking in these wild animals and, and feeding them and, and loving them is that how soft they get. And like their, their fur gets soft, their muscles get softer, they, and there's a relaxation that they're able to have that, that they would never ever get in the wild.
And, and this is, it's like, and, and it is, it is a product of love. I'm just kind of thinking through this is like by loving them, it's not just the food that you're giving them in this place to sleep, but it's the power of your love is softening things.
And, and it can soften people. You know, you take a hardened criminal and, and apply some love and there's going to be a noticeable softening.
And, and so that there is. And, and with that there's an interesting, there's a vulnerability in that. Now my, my cat, I've got this cat, Abigail that I've done exactly that. She's not nearly as, as proficient as being an outdoor wild animal. She's more vulnerable being that soft. And so there is a vulnerability with softening ourselves, but there's also a power there and it'll, it can only be done through love. It's an interesting, interesting thoughts I had with that.
[00:53:43] Speaker A: Yeah, I know what you're saying. I guess that's the balancing act between surrender and empowerment.
That's the line that we have to toe on the spiritual path is how much do we surrender, how much do we give up and how much do we empower ourselves? Because either way can become imbalanced and either way we can suffer from it. So, so that's, yeah, I mean that's work in progress over here, but I think that's the path in a nutshell. In a very simple sense, it's surrender and self empowerment. So we do what we do to figure out the middle way in that regard. Go ahead.
[00:54:23] Speaker B: But that's the weird, that's the weird little twist of it is that no matter what ritual or meditation or manifestation you're trying to do, the very, the last step in order for it to all work is you got to let it go. And so, so you have to surrender in order to get the self empowerment. You have to surrender at some point even if it's physical things there's only so much you can do. At some point you're going to have to surrender. And so there is, it's, it's. I actually, it's. This is another thing that I hate because it seems to be a feature of our reality that's not really changeable. Is that the only way to really get there? Especially if you're trying to use. Use supernatural or spiritual effort to make something happen. You build up the effort, you get your intention, clarify it and sharpen it. But the whole ritual is. You're letting it go, pushing it off of yourself.
[00:55:17] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:55:18] Speaker B: At the beginning of this conversation. Could you do this all throughout? Could you do the whole magical process without ritual though?
I think the quickest way to do it is to walk on to what you want, actually understand what you want and set the intention. I'm gonna, I'm gonna do what I can to get that and then let it go. Just like try to let it go completely and, and not let it go like you don't care about it. But you know, that'll, that'll come to me. If it's meant to. And if it's not meant to, that's okay too.
[00:55:47] Speaker A: Yeah.
This is an interesting take because I think it touches upon.
Well, let me back up for a second. I heard somebody say one time that angels adore us so much because they don't have free will.
And maybe that's what they're trying to tap into is they're trying to feel what it feels to have free will. And we're trying to feel what it feels to completely surrender using our free will. So maybe that's the convergence. Right. That's just what came up for me is the convergence between these two realities. These two seeming different layers or levels you could say are polar opposites. We can even see it as has. Is the convergence between self will and surrender.
Maybe that's what they like is we're completely free.
Right. We are completely free. And the experiment, the convergence is us giving up a sense of that freedom. And then theirs is somehow by surrendering to us, they gain freedom. You know what I'm getting out here?
[00:56:49] Speaker B: Yeah. No, that's. No, that's a really interesting proposition. I hadn't considered that. But. But it kind of, it kind of tracks like I think there's something that there.
And that is what said is that, that, that the they all, they all envy us or, or adore us because of our. Most of the time they say envy rather than adore the. Because of our free will.
[00:57:10] Speaker A: Yeah. I Think that's what makes us unique?
[00:57:12] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:57:13] Speaker A: Right. In a simple sense, is that we have this free will. Like, we are actually 100% completely free.
Maybe that's what makes us such an anomaly in the universe, is that we are. Are quite literally 100 completely free. I can do whatever I want right now. Doesn't mean I will. Yeah, I can. I really want to do what I want.
[00:57:33] Speaker B: I'm going to counter that by saying that there could be a bunch of different things influencing what you want. And so while you're doing what you want, why do you want that? Do you want that? Because an advertisement showed on TV a couple days ago, you don't even remember it, but there it is in your mind.
Do you want it because you know you've been programmed from birth? The macaroni and cheese tastes really good, and it really doesn't. It's just fat food and you shouldn't eat it. You know what. Whatever the. Whatever the thing is, is, like, why do you actually want the thing that you want?
And. And if. And. And there might be a whole list of. And you know what?
In my first evocation, one of my first early evocations with the demon Azaz, one of my opening lines, trained as a ceremonial magician, was to say, thank you for coming when I call you, and welcome to my temple. And so I say that, and the voice that comes back to me says, no, thank you for coming when I called you. When I call you. And I said, you haven't called me. Like, this is. This is one of the first times, like, probably our first time ever. I'm like, what are you talking about? He says, you called me because I was telling you to call me. So thank you for answering. Answering. And I was like, oh, dude, that. It turned the whole thing around. I. I thought that I.
Because I went through. I went through a grimoire. I went through a bunch of different grimoires. And I'm like, oh, look at this guy. Maybe I'll use him. No. And I. And I made a choice of which spirit I was going to call. But did I. And so. So that. That does kind of throw a question on free will.
[00:59:05] Speaker A: Exactly. Yeah.
Oh, maybe that's what we're seeing, is we're seeing through the illusion of our free will, and we're actually somewhat subservient to these beings, and they work through the illusion of our free will.
And then they.
In some way.
Are they surrendering to us? Are we. Are they using their free will? Maybe they. I don't know, bro. We're getting far out here. But I'm just trying to look at the convergence between free will and surrender. Right. I guess that's what we're examining beginning here.
[00:59:42] Speaker B: So I do think that there, that through spiritual practices, through meditation and, and really, really just any spiritual practice that you, you do come to a realization that you don't have a lot of free will. Free will. You know, when I look at like, yeah, I look at a lot of things and, and it's like I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm doing the best, I'm doing the best I can. Is like a real big house, like, dude. But like, and, and, and then through spiritual discipline, through spiritual exercises, even just sitting for a few minutes and breathing and letting it, letting go of whatever thoughts and distractions come.
You are training yourself to, to, to, to observe the noise.
And, and that's, that's, you know, I think I'm going to say this is actually where I see free will the strongest is not when you choose to do something, but when you choose to sit still and just breathe.
Because there are a million things that are pulling you a million other desires. There's no, there's no programming that's telling us to sit still and breathe. All the programming is telling us to do something. And so that's like the one free will decision we can make is just to just shut up, sit down and breathe and surrender. Yeah, surrender.
[01:01:08] Speaker A: That's the joke.
[01:01:10] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The only, the only free will thing that you can really do is just surrender and. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:01:21] Speaker A: That's the transformation. I think that actually without sounding grandiose, because we might have a little bit in the beginning, but without sounding grandiose, the metamorphosis is just us becoming a being that is completely surrendered.
You know, one that gives up their free will and surrenders into a higher being. Maybe that's the only way we can become higher beings. That's why they don't have free will. Like, the only way you can become a higher being is you got to give up your lower being. You got to give up the meat suit and what the meat suit wants.
[01:01:51] Speaker B: Well, no, you're, I think you're hitting it right again. Is, is, you know, in yoga sutra mantras, it's, it's lined out there that, that you.
All of yoga, all of these meditations, all of these spiritual disciplines are aimed at one thing and that is bringing all of your processes to a standstill.
And all. It's all of these processes that are getting in the way those are all part of. Those are all functions within the illusion. And so those processes, thought processes, desires and impulses, and even the breathing process, bringing that to such a slowness that you can still your own breath. And it's through the sublimation of these processes, once they're all neutralized, then the God within leaps out. Then the inner self is able to merge with the outer reality fully. But it's not a matter of doing it. It's a matter of stopping doing anything.
Because it's like all the things that we're doing are just getting in the way. These are all, all obstacles, even our breathing and our thinking is an obstacle to the felt, the felt reality, the immediate reality of the God self within.
[01:03:01] Speaker A: Yeah. Getting in the way of the way.
The capital T and a capital wow, man. Okay, this is good stuff. I really don't even know where to go from here.
Yeah.
God became man so man can become God.
I mean, moral of the story, right, is the cool thing is that this really never ends. And in terms of what this is that never ends, it's the novelty, it's the beauty. It's just the simple beauty. It's just the simple art of experience.
It's.
I think we can glean from this whole conversation is that, that the. Just the magic, the true magic of what it means to be never ends. Man, it always transforms. It finds a new way to have experience.
Right? Whether it's through reincarnation or through becoming a deva. Becoming an animal, whatever it is, like there is always something new to this simulation. There's always something new to this video game.
To me, that's the miracle is it really never ends. You just have to be be in order to see the miracle, feel the miracle. To be the miracle, you have to be okay with it never ending.
You have to be okay with forever. And if you can float downstream in that way, then yeah, you're in heaven.
[01:04:24] Speaker B: Yeah. And. And the source of all suffering is the mind. And so as you let go of the mind, as you let go of yourself, of all, all of all, everything, that's, that's the path. Because it's not something, you know, that when you say let go of your mind, well, what does that mean?
Feel.
Go into your feeling. What do you. What do you feel? And if you can drop deep into your feeling, that's where the true ecstasy of enlightenment is at. It's not. It's not anything that you can think. This is why monks will return from meditations and not speak. Sometimes for Years, you know, there's. There's a.
Not much you can say about the things that you experience through feeling.
And that's, you know that and that's. Okay, so let me tap on that real quick. Is, is a lot of my work does revolve around evoking spirits and summoning spirits, connecting with. With intelligences from beyond this. This realm.
And, and everyone gets real obsessed with seeing and hearing them. And you know, you know, they got the incense going. They're like, I'm just seeing incense. What's going on?
Close your eyes or turn so you're. So you're just facing a wall. And don't worry about what you're seeing and just see what you can feel.
Actually blindfold yourself. That was the one little exercise that got me to really be, really set up the whole ritual. Light your incense and then blindfold yourself and then go through the rest of the ritual blindfolded and let your inner vision start filling in the gaps because that's where it's at. Your eye. Your eyes will just see a little phenomenon. And sure, you might see a full spirit standing in front of you. That's not your eyes that seeing that that's your. Your inner vision projecting through your. Your senses.
[01:06:08] Speaker A: Yeah, good stuff, man.
Well, I think on that note, we can start to wrap it up. We'll be like the monks. We have nothing to say anymore. Coming down from the mountain, coming back from the monastery. I don't have anything else to say. This was an amazing conversation.
I honor having you on.
[01:06:27] Speaker B: Thank you.
[01:06:28] Speaker A: And that's it, man. Yeah. Thank you for coming on here, bro.
[01:06:31] Speaker B: Thank you. This is super fun. Appreciate it.
[01:06:33] Speaker A: Yeah. Do you have anything else you want to say though, before we wrap it up?
[01:06:36] Speaker B: You know, everybody can check me out over. Just Become a Living God Dot com is my main website. I got all kinds of stuff. The book we're talking about today, Elemental Sorcery, I'm still writing it. I'm putting my final. My final bits on it. So that'll be. That'll be available probably sometime next year, but I've got new books coming out all the time. I've got a new one on glamour magic, a glamour magic spell book. How to change your appearance, how to change perception entirely. And yeah, we may. We'll have to jump on and talk all about that. That'll be coming out this, this Christmas. And so look forward to that. Become a living God Dot com.
[01:07:08] Speaker A: Awesome. Yeah, I'd like to tap in and maybe I can get my hair back.
[01:07:12] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, awesome.
[01:07:16] Speaker A: We'll see.
Yeah. You know what it's called? You know what the ritual is called? It's called the hair transplant.
