Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: All right, well, Shivani, thank you for joining me today.
[00:00:02] Speaker B: Thank you so much for having me, for sure.
[00:00:06] Speaker A: So, yeah, getting this thing started, would you be able to give us a little bit about who you are and what you got going on with the YouTube channel?
[00:00:13] Speaker B: Yeah. So I'm in my final year of med school.
I have a few months left, and then I graduate, which is very exciting, but also simultaneously very scary.
I applied to psychiatry, so I'll find out in a few months if and where I got in, but hopefully within the next four years, I'll be a psychiatrist. But while I was in medical school, I also became a Reiki master. So I became very into energy healing. I also experienced, like, a whole Kundalini awakening, which is, I think, very fascinating to experience that. Well, being in medical school, it's like a mind fuck, if I can say that. So it was a wild experience, but I think that it also has awakened kind of like a purpose inside of me where I really want to serve as somebody who can bridge two different worlds together and help kind of, you know, facilitate this consciousness conversation in the world of medicine specifically, but also by large. And so started a YouTube channel. And, yeah, basically you found me, and I ended up here.
[00:01:14] Speaker A: And here we are.
[00:01:14] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:01:16] Speaker A: So how did this Kundalini awakening come about? Right. Were you doing anything or was just some kind of grace that came in?
[00:01:24] Speaker B: Yeah, so I had a spontaneous one.
I know a lot of people experience them through, like, breath work or consistent meditation, things like that.
For me, it happened, though, mainly through chronic illness. So I think trauma is also a really big reason why people wake up.
And so I was dealing with a lot of chronic illness in my early 20s, and just I reached a point of kind of, like, complete nervous system burnout. And the way that I was living was very out of alignment with myself and with sort of, like, my feminine energy. And I was just very discombobulated, dysregulated, and I wasn't processing a lot of the trauma that I had hidden underneath. And I believe that that was showing up as chronic illness. And it's interesting because I'm sure we'll get into this a little bit more. But I think chronic illness is so fascinating because what we get wrong in the medical industry is that, you know, it's a problem that we have to get rid of. And I was experiencing chronic illness, and nothing was helping me. I went to so many doctors, so many, like, dietitians and all these different practitioners, so many supplements, lots of money, and nothing was working. And I. I Kind of just had this, like, massive insight one day where I realized that the reason why my illness was not going away was because I. The relationship I had to my body was very.
Not in alignment in the first place. So I saw my symptoms as a problem to get rid of, as opposed to, like, communication from my body that's trying to show me something deeper about myself to help me reconnect with my inner flow. And I had that realization, and I kind of just, like, inspired this massive insight inside of me where I realized, like, it's the attachment to thought that causes suffering and the attachment to, you know, this problem that I'm fixating on that's causing suffering. And I think that, like, over the time of that chronic illness, it kind of just shot down my ego enough to where that insight that came in just, you know, had this, like, massive opening within myself energetically, and it just kind of, like, shot me into a whole Kundalini awakening. So that was kind of how it happened.
[00:03:40] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:03:40] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:03:40] Speaker A: Well, thank you for sharing that.
That seems to be the blueprint for a lot of people is exhaustion or burnout, and that leads people onto the spiritual path.
[00:03:52] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:03:52] Speaker A: You know.
[00:03:54] Speaker B: Yeah. I think it's. I honestly think it's kind of unavoidable at some point in your life, because we live in a world where the systems kind of force you to engage with yourself in a way that's actually not true to human nature.
So it's kind of just like. I think it's just a matter of when that happens. But, yeah, I agree. I think that everybody experiences it, and I feel like we're in a time where everything's getting so accelerated and intense that we're seeing it more and more.
[00:04:26] Speaker A: Oh, for sure. Yeah. The craziness of the world is leading us into the piece of our nature.
[00:04:33] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:04:34] Speaker A: Ideally.
Now, what do you do to take care of yourself? You know? How do you.
How do I phrase this? I guess. What are your practices and modalities?
[00:04:48] Speaker B: Yeah, that's how I found Reiki, because I just found touch and also just working with the energy within my body, because Kundalini awakening, obviously, it's. It's very energetic experience. And I've always had, like, a very sensitive body, so I think that physical connection to my body was really important for me, and that was how I got into Reiki and wanting to develop that sort of, like, energy, practice and hygiene for myself.
I also do meditation, but honestly, I don't have. I don't follow a certain philosophy. Like, I know a lot of people Study certain philosophies, and they live through those practices. And for me, I think my philosophy is really just getting as in tune with my intuition and my body as I possibly can in the moment. So developing that skill of, like, interoception, of being able to focus your awareness inward and create meaning out of, like, the sensations and the communication that your body is giving you in the moment.
But part of that involves, like, really becoming comfortable within the unknown. Because, I mean, I think that's like, the ultimate. Like, that's the ultimate end goal is to end the seeking type of energy, which is really hard in general, but it's also really hard in a world where intellectualism is kind of seen as the highest form of consciousness.
So it's very hard to transcend the mind in that sense. But my philosophy is to get as comfortable within the unknown as I possibly can. And if my intuition and my insight is giving me a certain piece of information, but that's all I get for the moment. And I don't understand where, when, how, and the logic behind it. I have to be okay with that and okay with kind of being given, like, the crumbs along the path.
[00:06:32] Speaker A: What did you call it? Interoception.
[00:06:35] Speaker B: Interoception, yeah. It's like, that's like a term in psychology that people use for, like, the skill of being able to focus your awareness into your body, like, not just emotionally, but, like, physical sensation.
But I think that a lot of people have lost that, including myself. At one point, I lost that too, because there's just so much dopamine hits coming from every angle in this world that it's really easy to get lost in the illusion in the external world.
So kind of bridging that into psychiatry and psychology is learning how to build that skill and also teaching people how to build that skill.
[00:07:14] Speaker A: Mm, well said. Yeah. You are in the trenches of the mind, of intellectualism.
[00:07:21] Speaker B: Yeah, I know, I know.
[00:07:22] Speaker A: Fascinating path.
[00:07:24] Speaker B: It was very. You know, it was like a really funny cosmic joke, because when it happened, we were in our psychiatry unit and module, and I was like, oh, my God, I'm losing my mind. I'm going crazy. I need to be institutionalized. Like, it was such a mind.
It was such a mind game. But I think I got really lucky because I was born Indian and born Hindu. So I grew up around, like, meditation, breathwork, yoga, all that kind of stuff. And I kind of knew that this is, like. I knew generally that this is sort of like, a path and things that happen, but I didn't know what this process was actually like. So I was lucky because I think that that saved me in a sense that I didn't completely lose myself and that I was like, okay, this is something, know, something spiritual that I need to kind of look within and, and find the tools. But I can understand that so many people don't have that experience. And, and I honestly, I do think that so many people that show up to psychiatrist and need mental health care are really just going through this like, spiritual transformation.
But that's part of the problem is that we don't really have the language for that in medicine just yet. So it's like a huge thing that we need to kind of bridge the gap with.
[00:08:34] Speaker A: I think that's very much needed is to bring the.
The sort of old world, the archaic of spirituality and then into the new world. And I think that creates as like a new being. Like we're creating this new human being, you know, because the mind in the Western mind in psychiatry, as you probably understand, isn't bad. It's just lacking something.
[00:08:55] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I totally.
[00:08:57] Speaker A: I would say it's the somatic understanding. Right. Of the body and how important it is to take care of the body.
[00:09:02] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. That's kind of like my ultimate philosophy too is like the field of. It's kind of an emerging field called neurosomatics.
Just basically just like applied neurology to understanding the nervous system and how we store trauma experiences, emotions, and how that can also like present itself in a somatic way.
And essentially like coming back to the body is like the path to your, you know, authentic self and to yourself. Self actualization.
But I agree, I think it is like a journey of creating this new human being. Because it's not about. That's part of what I'm very passionate about is it's not about. I believe in science, I believe in medical education. I believe that there is a benefit to systems and to structure. But when you're so stuck in that, that there's no space to actually process, like the intelligence that comes from your body and you've gone to a place where you've treated the body as if it's kind of like this machine and that like this is your symptom, this is the problem. Let's figure out how to get rid of it as opposed to. No, you're a human being having a multidimensional experience. This symptom is, you know, there's a root underneath that. There's some form of your unconscious that's trying to make it self conscious. Through this experience.
And when you treat the body in that way, it's like a whole other.
Like, that's like a whole other depth and level of healing that you get. But both can coexist because, you know, people. I think there's a lot of ungrounded people within the spiritual world, too.
And that's when you find people kind of in those, you know, addictions with, like, plant medicines and also just kind of losing themselves to different realms and dimensions. But that's not really going to do anything either.
So. I agree. It's kind of like we're birthing this new human being that's coming through. So it's cool to see how that's happening.
[00:10:56] Speaker A: Mm. It's all about the balance.
That's what we're doing, bringing a little balance to the force.
[00:11:02] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh, we need it. We're so. We're so unbalanced right now.
[00:11:06] Speaker A: Yeah. It's so interesting, the times that we live in. Right. That we can even do this. That we have all the access of the knowledge of the past, the wisdom of the past, and bridging that, bringing that into the Western mind and the Western culture.
It's like, unparalleled. You know, even just like, maybe 30, 40 years ago, it wasn't possible. I mean, you would have to literally go to India to get the knowledge or have somebody from India come over here to be able to get that understanding. Now we have Google.
[00:11:34] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:11:35] Speaker A: We got ChatGPT.
[00:11:36] Speaker B: Yeah. It's crazy. I feel like even in the last few years, so much has changed. Like, you can learn about these things on social media, and I think that's kind of why, like, I know we're in very dark times right now, and it's, like, easy to lose yourself. But I also have a lot of hope in that because I see it as like, we're really just waking up from this illusion. And it feels like we're kind of all in this weird isolation mode of not being able to exist in the world as we used to. But I think that it's so beneficial because so many of us are waking up and going inward and kind of connecting, reconnecting to that force.
So it is terrifying, but I think at the same time, there's a massive, you know, revolution happening, like, under, underneath all of that.
[00:12:22] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Yeah. The revolution will not be televised.
[00:12:25] Speaker B: Yep. No, it won't.
[00:12:28] Speaker A: But it might be on YouTube.
[00:12:29] Speaker B: It might.
[00:12:30] Speaker A: Yeah.
So, yeah, you called it. Well, I called it a force, but you also echoed that and said it was a force. Do you feel that like you're propelled by some kind of force that's connected to your intuition?
[00:12:45] Speaker B: Yeah, I for sure do. And I think that's kind of like what I was saying before with my philosophy is I just kind of surrender myself to wherever I feel called to going.
Carl Jung is a really interesting person. I'm not sure if you're familiar with him, but he was a psychiatrist a little bit. Yeah, he was a Swiss psychiatrist. And he. A lot of his teachings are where like modern day psychology come from. But he draws a lot from like Hinduism, from all these different religions. But he's so fascinating because he like integrates psychology with spirit. And his books, he talks a lot about his own journeys. He's done active imagination, where he goes into his own sort of, what you're saying, this inner force that's kind of guiding him into the depths. He calls it the spirit of the depths. And it's like the spirit that. Yeah, it's the spirit that kind of takes him into this forest, which is really just like the depths of his unconsciousness. And within the unconscious there is a lot of this symbolism that's not just personal, but it's shared. It's the collective unconscious. So these symbols are things that like you and I would share as well.
And that symbolism and that sort of like storytelling. He goes into it, into his work. But I love the spirit of the depths concept because I really relate to that. And it's sort of this idea of just following where that force is taking you, even if it's like towards self destruction, which is really terrifying.
But yeah, I feel that call very deeply and I feel like I always had. And part of why I feel that I experienced chronic illness was because I was avoiding that call.
Yeah. And I was trying to externalize my life, but my life was trying to point me in a different direction.
And I think a lot of people can relate to that. It's just in different ways. But there's always this force that's guiding you and taking you to a certain direction. And I do think physical illness a lot of times is a manifestation of just not following that.
[00:14:45] Speaker A: Yeah, the force is always with us.
[00:14:49] Speaker B: Yes, it is with all of us. Yeah.
[00:14:53] Speaker A: And if you don't listen to it, you will suffer. And that's why I think there's such calamity on this planet right now, because the force seems to be accelerating somehow some way in its power, you know, in wanting us to listen to it. So it's just like it's exponentially building up and some people are getting the message, others haven't yet. That's okay. It's all in due time. It's all in divine timing. But I do believe it's this force that's within all of us.
[00:15:22] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's interconnected, too. It's like my. My journey is connected to yours, is connected to the next person. So it's like all within, like, exact perfection. And it's like this stance, and I can't heal unless the next person does.
It's like this domino effect. But I don't know. I don't know if you feel it, but I really do feel like there's a lifting in the energy that's been happening, and so many of us are able to actually step into this journey in a more expansive way. It's no longer something that I feel like that's happening underneath the surface. It's becoming more out there and more. Very slowly. I think it's becoming the foundation.
[00:16:03] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Slowly but surely.
[00:16:05] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:16:06] Speaker A: And really, in the scheme of things, it's not that slow.
[00:16:08] Speaker B: No.
No. Sometimes I feel like it's so fast that my body can't even keep up. So it's definitely a very intense thing.
[00:16:15] Speaker A: But, yeah. I mean, just the simple fact that we're doing this. You have your channel, I got my channel. We got our communities.
[00:16:22] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:16:22] Speaker A: Is proof enough that there's something going on.
[00:16:25] Speaker B: There is. And it's interesting. Even in health care, like, more and more patients are, I think, part of the reason why healthcare will change will also be, like, not by force almost, because patients are demanding different forms of care, rightfully so.
Even patients are like, no, there's something more. There has to be more than this. There has to be more than just, here's your problem, here's a pill. Bye.
There has to be something deeper than this, and people know that. I just think that a lot of people don't have the map of consciousness to be able to navigate that. But that's.
That's why we need to build new structures to help people navigate that.
But it's interesting because people themselves are demanding something else. So I think ultimately the system will have to change.
[00:17:13] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
Again, I think we're all demanding something else.
[00:17:18] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:17:20] Speaker A: That's the thing is we all want to be connected to something greater than ourselves, I think. Just don't know where to look. Right. That connection is built through, you know, our TikTok feeds and just mindless chatter that you can get sucked into until one finds the spiritual path. The lineages of the Ancient world. Then it's just.
It's just random. Pretty much. You're just kind of throwing darts at a dart board with your eyes closed. You're just hoping for the best.
So that's why I really cherish being able to do this, speak to people like you, and cherish the times that we live in. The fact that we are. We have this, you know, we have the Dharma at our disposal is a miracle to me.
[00:18:03] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:18:04] Speaker A: Because it saved my life.
[00:18:05] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:18:05] Speaker A: You can probably speak the same way, too, right?
[00:18:07] Speaker B: No, it's literally has saved my life. And I always think about that. I'm like, if I was born in some other time and I was going through this, I'm not even sure, like, how I would have made it through because it's just. It's an intense time to live in, but it's amazing that we can communicate with each other. And that's why I think, like, social media does have a lot of downsides, but I think we can use it in a positive way, which is to.
[00:18:29] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:18:29] Speaker B: Create these new communities and these new conversations.
So it's an exciting time to be alive.
[00:18:36] Speaker A: Amen.
[00:18:37] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:18:37] Speaker A: Yeah. It's all about how we use it and to not let it use us. That's what I say.
[00:18:42] Speaker B: Yeah, I like that.
[00:18:45] Speaker A: And it's very easy for it to use us. That's for sure.
[00:18:48] Speaker B: Yep. Yeah.
[00:18:50] Speaker A: With great power comes great responsibility. A wise man once said.
[00:18:53] Speaker B: Yes, 100%. It kind of just goes back to, like, you know, we've just learned to externalize our power so much that I think it's crazy. It's crazy from this position, like, having gone through the journey to think that the power lies anywhere outside of yourself. But I think that sort of victim mindset is the core of all of this. Like, we believe that there's some force external to us that's controlling us. And that theme follows us through everything, like, whether it's social media controlling us or addictions, other people, like, literally anything. And it's. It's such a simple realization, but it's so hard to, like, embody that fully.
[00:19:37] Speaker A: Yeah. It's a good point. That's the big 180 switch, right. Is we go from the victim to the God empowerment. Right. We go from woe is me to carpe diem.
[00:19:50] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:19:52] Speaker A: Yeah. That's huge.
And, yeah, the powers that be definitely don't want you to know about that. That's for sure.
[00:20:01] Speaker B: No, no. That would crumble everything.
But I guess that's.
[00:20:04] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. So that's the thing Too. I think for all of us, there is a sense of forgiveness that needs to come along the way. Because we've been born into this world of looking outside ourselves for a savior. You know, we've been born into a world of control.
And I think we have to recognize that first of all and forgive. I think there's a sense of forgiveness that needs to come along the way because it's not easy.
And it still happens too. Even when one gets the Kundalini awakening or gets the wake up call per se, it never ends.
It never ends. Especially with our phones, with technology, the control is always trying to seep in. The temptations are always trying to seep in.
So, yeah, I guess it's like along the way, it's okay to mess up. You know, it's okay that you have messed up.
But on the other side of the coin also is the empowerment as well that comes from recognizing. Comes from that humility. Right.
So, yeah, just want to throw that out there. It's like equally empowered, but also recognize that we're faulty a little bit too. We were born into a faulty world.
[00:21:20] Speaker B: Yeah. And I think that's kind of like the goal too, is to coexist. Like to realize that, you know, your darkness can coexist with your inner light.
And not really this goal of running away from the darkness because it's never going to go anywhere. Like it's not going to disappear completely. And it serves a purpose too. The darkness. I think it is the light. It's just light that has forgotten that it's light. And so the work that we're here to do is to take that darkness and remind itself that it is the light.
[00:21:52] Speaker A: That's good.
[00:21:53] Speaker B: Yeah. And thanks.
And as long as we keep running away from that and thinking that it's something that we have to avoid as opposed to realizing it's just like it's part of our. It's just an energy or a part of our psyche, whatever you want to call it, that's been so rejected that it's constricted and suffocated off of itself.
But nonetheless, if it's part of you, then you also have the ability to revive that.
So I think it's kind of just like our.
It's just like you said, it's like our dharma to take whatever chunk of karma we chose to take on this life and to transmute it into something.
So I think that is the purpose. And that's kind of the foundation of Buddhism too. Buddhism is this concept that life is suffering because if we didn't manifest into these physical bodies. We would just be like, you know, whoop dee doo la in some other astral world. But we came here because what's different is that they're suffering.
And so I like that concept that life is suffering and suffering is grace, because it's through the suffering that you can experience the contrast which would be grace or bliss or peace or love. You don't feel that as intense when you know you don't have anything to contrast that with. So I think, in a way, suffering is kind of the purpose too.
[00:23:13] Speaker A: Yeah, That's a huge realization. Right. Is to understand that we came here to suffer. That's kind of the point. And the suffering is what leads us into the love, the peace, the serenity, the, you know, all the nice and beautiful things about life.
As you said, we transmutate that. We use the darkness as trajectory to the light.
This is like if life's a game, which I do think it is in some way, this is like very hard difficulty.
[00:23:44] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:23:44] Speaker A: But when you. When you play a game and you win on very hard difficulty, it feels a lot better than winning on easy mode. So that's the essence of Earth, I think. It's like, we came here to play on very hard. We came here to suffer.
And I know that sounds crazy that somebody that doesn't know any better and that is really going through it, but it's all for some reason. I guess we could say some spiritual.
Spiritual cliche is it's all for a reason. And you start to see that everything is for you rather than happening to you. Woe is me. This is all for you. Even the stuff that sucks. That's a huge realization.
[00:24:19] Speaker B: Yeah, no, it's a massive realization. Because that's sort of like the ultimate, you know, like, level up from the game is to realize that the suffering was actually like. It's human nature. When you struggle and you feel pain, you think like, oh, my God, this is so bad. Like, this is terrible. What is this, like, you know, cloud that's dawned onto me? But the ultimate realization is that, oh, my God, this was like. Actually, this was inside of me the whole time. This is just parts of. I like to think of it as, you know, when I suffer, it's parts of my unconscious or even parts of the collective unconscious, like tapping into the pain of, you know, society as a whole.
It's just parts of the unconscious that's making itself conscious. And the reason that that's happening is so that you can elevate it. But it's really hard to get to that switch. And I think sometimes you honestly just have to suffer until something finally kind of, like, breaks in your own, like, ego to have that realization. But it's such a. Like, it's a crazy realization once you have it. And then once you do have it, it's like, okay, now I can work with this, and things don't hurt, but it's with less resistance. I really feel like the resistance is what causes, like, true suffering.
[00:25:30] Speaker A: Yeah, it's a different form of suffering. That's the thing.
It's probably a different word for it in poly or in Sanskrit. Yeah, I don't know.
[00:25:38] Speaker B: I don't know either.
[00:25:38] Speaker A: But the resistance. Yeah, the resistance to the pain and the suffering, that isn't necessarily of our own accord.
It makes it even worse. Yeah, it causes this other layer, really, of suffering. And that's what we kind of shed when we dawn the spiritual path and we don. This understanding is. Yeah, less resistance is more equanimous to the comings and goings of our life.
[00:26:01] Speaker B: Yeah, totally. I think the resistance is, like, everything because, like, it's. It gets so nuanced when you start kind of going really deep into yourself because it's like, is this a fear or is it the fear of the fear?
And I think that's a really important nuance to pick up when you're, you know, processing things and alchemizing things. Because I really do think that the fear of the fear is actually greater, like, proponent of suffering than the. The root of the fear itself. Because you're so afraid to feel.
You are literally sending yourself into, like, this, you know, neurotic state. But that's the thing is, like, we're also socialized to be emotionally avoidant. And I always say on my channel, like, I think the biggest disease that we're facing is emotional avoidance. Like, we've taught ourselves that emotions are actually not, like, divine or wise or philosophical in nature. They're just things that we kind of have to, like, push away. Especially if you live in America, it's like, very much just like, go, go, go. Work, work, work. Push everything to the side. So, yeah.
[00:27:04] Speaker A: So would you say our emotions are, like, signals or messages for us to work with?
[00:27:09] Speaker B: Yeah, 100%. That is what I believe.
I think that inside of every emotion, especially the darker ones, if you allow yourself to go deep, which that's a practice too, like, you have to develop the skill of building the tolerance to even go that deep into yourself, because that is an ego death in and of itself. So it brings up a lot of fears of losing your identity and versions of yourself and things. But I think every single emotion has a pearl of wisdom inside of it that can add to your purpose and add to your kind of fire of life. But it's a matter of, are you willing to go that way, that deep? And a lot of times we're not, because, you know, it's just what we were taught. We learned to avoid our emotions. And like I said, that resistance is so scary.
I think that when you break through that resistance, though, you start to, like, enter this very.
I don't even know how to say it. Like, almost like it's a very flowy state where you can alchemize your emotions. And it's not that your emotions don't hurt anymore, but there's this pattern to it, and there's this, like, cycle to it of death and rebirth that becomes very.
Like. It's simultaneously painful but also, like, ecstatic. And you can. I think that's a crazy thing for a lot of people to hear if they haven't learned how to do that. But you can get to a place where your emotional experiences are actually, like. They're so beautiful, and they take you into this depth that literally gives your life meaning. But, yeah, I think that it takes a lot of consistent practice to.
To change that.
[00:28:45] Speaker A: Yeah, you said it. It's a good point to bring up meaning. You get meaning from all of this.
That's what the Western mind lacks.
[00:28:53] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:28:53] Speaker A: We're living in conscious or unconscious nihilism.
[00:28:57] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:28:58] Speaker A: Right. That's a pandemic.
[00:29:01] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:29:03] Speaker A: So the whole spiritual path and whatever, you know, lineage or practice that one decides to follow, I think brings meaning.
And meaning. I mean, what does meaning mean? You know, something to dive into. It's like purpose, maybe that's another word. You know, like, you're supposed to be here. It's not all just by accident. It's all. It's not all just, like, by chance that you exist. It's like there is a. There's a mission. I feel like there's a mission. There's a duty here to. To Gary and to Shivani. Do you feel that?
[00:29:35] Speaker B: 100%. And it's interesting. I feel like these conversations are starting to be brought up in medicine, too. Like, that's a whole field in medicine called narrative medicine, which is, like, the idea that helping people create meaning through their illness and just their suffering in general actually helps them to heal. Like, the healing process. Part of the healing process is finding meaning in the Suffering.
Um, and I totally agree. Cause I. I think that that's kind of. In a way, I think that's kind of the whole purpose of suffering. I think all suffering serves the purpose of surrender in one way or another.
Um, and with that suffering comes some sort of identity loss. And learning how to create a story from that identity loss is something that can, like, push you forward in your life and kind of turn your life into, like, a living myth in a way. Like in a living. Into a living story. And that gives you purpose. Because I think it's really hard to exist, especially in this world, when you don't have something bigger than you pushing you through. Like, if you're just living for yourself, there's going to be a point where that doesn't work anymore. So it's a question of how do I use this to create a story that is like a myth and others can relate to it, and it connects other people to their journey, and maybe they resonate with it and they're able to create a story of their life and find meaning. And so I think. And that's why I like psychiatry so much, too, because it's just like the art of storytelling as a form of healing.
[00:31:07] Speaker A: That's interesting. I never heard it put that way.
[00:31:09] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's just like.
Yeah. I think you can use symbols, myths, legends, fairy tales. And I'm very. I think the root of, like, what I feel like I'm here to do is bring the art back into medicine.
Um, the art and the humanities, because that is healing. And I feel like medicine right now is so sterile, to the point where, like, who walks into the doctor and is like, wow, this feels like a healing sacred space? Nobody does even. I don't even feel that way. So, I mean, I think that's the thing that we're missing, you know?
[00:31:45] Speaker A: Yeah. That's mechanical.
[00:31:46] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:31:48] Speaker A: And the thing is, too, right. We're all telling ourselves some kind of story, no matter what, whether you're aware of it or not. So I think the alchemization process is becoming the writer of the story and writing your own myth.
[00:32:03] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:32:03] Speaker A: And that's what you're trying to do, is write better myths for people in yourself.
[00:32:07] Speaker B: Yes.
I like that you said that, though, because it is important.
A lot of times we get stuck in the stories, so it's like, what's the story that you're telling yourself?
Because we have a lot of subconscious, unconscious stories that we're repeating. So that's an important distinction to make, too, is like, let's erase the old ones that are not working for us, and let's actually tap into our own inner artist, in our inner creative and find what aligns with us. Because, like you were saying, like, everything is meaningless. Like, none of us really has any meaning. But at the same time, like, the ultimate paradox is that our souls came here with some sort of a design of what we were supposed to do and experience.
Like a video game. Like, the video game has no meaning in the grand scheme of things. Who cares? But for the tiny purpose of experiencing the game, it's fun to be part of that character doing something. So it's, I think, really learning how to balance those two things. Like not getting stuck in the stories, but realizing that it's just a story, it's just a game. Let's have fun. Let's be creative. Let's find meaning.
[00:33:14] Speaker A: Yes. The simultaneousness. It's a dance.
[00:33:16] Speaker B: Mm, yeah.
[00:33:17] Speaker A: Yeah.
It's a dance between.
Yeah. As you said, meaninglessness and meaning.
[00:33:24] Speaker B: Mm.
[00:33:25] Speaker A: Yeah. That might seem like a contradiction, but that is the truth. I feel that it's like you create your own meaning. That's the thing.
[00:33:33] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:33:33] Speaker A: I don't know. Well, let's. Let's dive down that inquiry. Do we create our own meaning or do we uncover meaning?
It's already there.
[00:33:42] Speaker B: Yeah, I feel that we uncover the meaning.
[00:33:46] Speaker A: Yeah, I think so too.
[00:33:48] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, for me, in my experience, I come to the realization that the meaning just unfolds through you in its own time, in its own way. And you are just here to serve as, like, a vessel to allow that to flow through you. And you can think that you're creating it because you're like, oh, I'm the human being. Like, I'm doing this action. So sometimes we think that we are creating it, but really it's just something that's expressing itself through you. So I guess it's both.
[00:34:15] Speaker A: You know what I want to ask, right?
[00:34:17] Speaker B: No.
[00:34:19] Speaker A: What's the meaning of life?
[00:34:20] Speaker B: Oh, well, that's like. That's like the ultimate question. Who knows?
Oh, my God. That.
[00:34:27] Speaker A: That one's almost too cliche. You can't ask that.
[00:34:29] Speaker B: No, you can't.
[00:34:31] Speaker A: I think it's.
We're figuring out as we go.
[00:34:34] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:34:34] Speaker A: That's the thing.
[00:34:35] Speaker B: I think the meaning of life is.
I have no idea. I mean, I've grappled with that question so many times to the point where I'm just like. I don't even know anymore. Is there a meaning? I don't think there is a meaning, but at the same time there is. But I think you're right. I think I just kind of tell myself it's the storytelling and the art. The art of it all.
[00:34:53] Speaker A: Exactly. In art. Think about art.
There's really no meaning to why people create art. It's just because, I mean, sometimes people do it to get paid, and it's their job. I get that. But for the most part, if you're an artist, you're just like, yeah, I'm just gonna create.
[00:35:07] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. And. But that's like, that's the state that you have to be in to create art.
Like, you. You have to be in a non resistant state, and you have to be in the state of like, I am completely detached from any kind of expectation or manifestation of this.
So, like, in a weird way, you almost have to, like, completely detach yourself from, like, what is the purpose of this? And just, like, send your art into the world and let it do what it has to do.
[00:35:36] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. And then thus the question of, what is the meaning of life? What is the purpose of life? What are we all doing here?
Doesn't mean anything at that point. It's just kind of irrelevant.
[00:35:49] Speaker B: Yeah. But I do think creativity is a huge piece of healing. Like, in general, physical health, mental health, emotional health. Like, I do feel that the point of why we go through these transformations is to ultimately get to a state of, like, the creator, the creator consciousness, and, you know, figure out what we're putting out into the world. Even if it's just a vibe. Like, even that's. That's also a creative process, too.
[00:36:17] Speaker A: Just putting out a vibe.
[00:36:18] Speaker B: Yeah, just putting out a vibe.
[00:36:21] Speaker A: I like that.
[00:36:22] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:36:23] Speaker A: Yeah.
I think we're all here to create something that's never been created before at a collective level, but also at an individual level. So you can only create something that you were put here to create, and I can only create something that I was put here to create. And that's never been done before, and it never will. I mean, maybe people will build upon my creation like I build upon other people's creations of the past.
But nobody's ever done what we're doing right now, what I'm doing right now.
So I think that's not even. Not just for us, that's for everybody. Literally everybody was put here for a reason. And I know that sounds corny, it's another cliche, but I think all of us have this individual dharma to create something, to create this new artwork, this new part of the tapestry, you know, this new part of the mandala. And only you could do it.
[00:37:14] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:37:15] Speaker A: And we're all figuring it out as we go.
[00:37:16] Speaker B: We are. There's no perfect way in doing it. And I also think there's like a. When you create something, there's people who need to receive it. Like they came into this life needing to hear your voice in the exact way that you, you know, give it and share it, or your art in general.
But it's like so opposite to what we're taught. Like, we're taught that even just think about like the schooling system and what you learn when you go through the schooling system. It's like you constantly take tests, but. But there's only one right answer. There's no discussion. There's no discussing opposing views and coming to some sort of acceptance of both. It's this hyper linear way of thinking that I think we've just completely stripped ourselves of that gift. So it's funny, I just feel like in the times that we're living in, the most simple acts are acts of revolution. And I think to be a creative in this time is a super revolutionary thing to do because you're choosing to just transcend all of timelines and just be like, nope, I'm putting out what I, you know, came here to put out.
[00:38:20] Speaker A: Yeah.
Truly you become a revolutionary.
[00:38:25] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:38:28] Speaker A: And there's been many in the past, many martyrs of the revolution.
But it's different times now because we all have a voice. We all have the ability to reach thousands, millions of people from our living room.
[00:38:46] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:38:47] Speaker A: You know, and that's why the, the revolution is.
I think it's, this is like the, the final stage of the revolution. All of us are going to start to fight the fight because there's no, there's no way that it can be stopped at this point. But yeah, a revolution. That's a good word. That's really what's happening. It's a revolution of consciousness.
[00:39:07] Speaker B: Yeah, that's what I always like to call it, like a consciousness revolution.
But yeah, I think it's happening in every single way, like in every system. We're watching it happen in front of our eyes, which for people who've kind of gone through the process within themselves, it's kind of like an exciting thing in a way. Like obviously it's very unfortunate that there's lots of people suffering in certain conditions that we have, but we know that there's a higher function to this that's creating some sort of a society or a world that's a lot more aligned.
But I think we also, I Personally think that we're at a point where most of us are going to have to accept the truth of what's been going on in the world. There's not going to be people. I know there's a concept of people say the new Earth and the old Earth and there's going to be people that just disappear into the old earth and there's going to be a new Earth. I don't think it's all of that. I honestly think we're at a point now where it's like so many of us are just going to be accepting a completely new truth.
So it's exciting, but it's also terrifying. And I feel like having these conversations and putting out your art is how you help people guide themselves through that process.
[00:40:21] Speaker A: And the beauty of it too, right, is nobody can take it from you, nobody can do it for you. The power is in your hands now. Yes, that might be scary, that might be daunting, but that's actually the good news.
So if you're looking for a savior, which many people are, they're looking for somebody to save them, whether it's, you know, Jesus, their parents, their significant other, the government, whatever, that might be scary 100%. But that's actually the good news is that you save yourself, nobody can do it for you. You are the revolutionary. You are, you're it, you're the one that fights the battle.
And yeah, so it's a double edged sword in that regard how the revolution is fought. But there's no other way.
[00:41:04] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, there's no other way. We just have to keep going. And I feel like most of us don't. I don't know what I'm doing for sure. I'm just kind of going with what's happening.
But that's kind of what I was saying in the beginning. I think that's the whole point is to learn how to exist in the unknown and develop a relationship with the unknown.
Because that's where life happens.
It's funny, we think that what we can know is that's the path to ultimate.
That's how I'm going to become my best version of myself. If I can just know everything and understand everything. But that's one drop in the ocean of what is possible.
But we focus so much on that 0.0001% that we lose ourselves and then the world kind of rewards us for also. I know in medicine, something that I feel like a lot of us struggle with is like you go through this rigorous training process that constantly rewards you for how much information you can regurgitate and how much you can know.
And you don't really get rewarded for the presence that you bring. You don't get rewarded for maybe the emotional intelligence or for choosing not to. Just. It's a high stress environment. So lots of people are constantly just projecting stuff on each other. And it can get very.
Almost like high school, like.
But you don't get rewarded for that. Like, you don't get rewarded for emotional intelligence. You don't get rewarded for your presence.
You don't get rewarded.
[00:42:28] Speaker A: Vibes.
[00:42:28] Speaker B: No, no, you don't get rewarded for creating a vibe at all.
So it's like you have to unlearn that a lot too. And medical school, I feel like, really magnifies that state of mind where it's like, I have to know. And, like, the more I know, the better I am.
But I think within medicine, that's kind of the revolutionary thing to do, is let go of the knowing and just trust where you're going. And it's funny. It's like, then once you transition into that type of a mindset, you can't go back because you're like, what the heck? That was just so much anxiety, so much fear, and constant living in fight or flight without realizing it.
But yeah, the process to getting there is really challenging. You have to just surrender yourself fully to this unknown force of life, which is really scary. But there's ways to. There's so many philosophies and roads to follow. So there's people that have gone before us. Lots and lots of people have gone before us that can serve as guides.
[00:43:31] Speaker A: Yeah. I always pay homage to the sages of the past.
[00:43:34] Speaker B: Yeah.
Oh, my God. Especially back then, they really put in the work for us.
[00:43:39] Speaker A: Yeah.
Oh. 100.
I mean, back then, their life was at stake.
They might not have. They might have had, like, nobody to relate to.
Yeah. It had to be so lonely, to be honest with you.
[00:43:57] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:43:58] Speaker A: But I think they probably saw through that.
[00:44:01] Speaker B: Yeah. I think in a way it's. There's probably some pros to that too. It's like, you know, they.
They were able to just kind of do their own thing without having so many eyes on you all the time like, in the world right now.
[00:44:15] Speaker A: Yeah. So that's true.
[00:44:17] Speaker B: There's pros and cons, I feel like. But I mean, for sure, like, they really withstood a lot. I don't think I would have made it back then.
[00:44:25] Speaker A: Me either.
[00:44:25] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:44:26] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. So I think that's a good point. That you brought up about how there's no reward to this wavelength and living on this wavelength. The embodiment. Right. Bringing this a little bit of light into the world, we could say, so why do we do it then? Right. If there's no incentive that we described, at least no physical incentive, no material incentive, do you feel as though there's like some kind of incentive in yourself?
[00:44:55] Speaker B: Yeah, that's a really good point because I agree there is no reward. And honestly, I think the, like, as you go on the path, it kind of gets harder in a sense, as you see more and more. There's just like a depth and an intensity that becomes really.
It creates more and more distance from you and the rest of the world, which I think can be hard to kind of integrate yourself into the world when you feel such a distance and lack of relation.
But I do think the reward in it is just a feeling of purpose. I guess it comes back to that whole. I feel like everything comes back to that conversation, but it always comes down to purpose. Yeah, I think it's just a purpose thing. It's like, you know, if I'm. If none of this matters and if I'm only here for X amount of time and if I don't know what, you know, what I'm doing and why I'm doing anyways, might as well do something different. Might as well individuate myself into who I feel like I'm here to be. So that's sort of the big realization that got me through the harder, intense times of my awakening journey was if none of this makes sense anyways, if I don't understand this anyways, then might as well just, like, do what I feel like I want to do in the moment. And I think that itself gives you purpose, that feeling of freedom.
[00:46:14] Speaker A: Yeah, it's like, why not?
Yeah, yeah.
That's the thing is bringing in the vibes is actually it makes your experience better too. Right. And you don't do it for that reason. That's the thing. If you do it for that reason, if you do it for any reward, then it's kind of counterintuitive. So it's. Yeah, it's a. It's a subtle thing. It's a subtle way to dance through life.
Right. To live on the embodiment of.
I mean, everything that we just spoke of in the last 50 minutes, to bring that into the world.
It's just like, as you said, why not? And it makes. It's a win win. It makes your life better, and it makes the other person's life better because when it comes down to it, they're not really the other person. They're connected to you. So everything that you're embodying, all the energy that you're bringing into situation, they're feeling it too. And it's a. It goes back and forth. They reflect your energy and. And you reflect their energy. And it's this, you know, it's a symbiotic dance we all have with each other. I think that's what comes with the realization is understanding, is that I'm not separated from any of these people.
So if I don't bring good energy, if I don't bring the vibes, then the vibes aren't going to be brought to me. It's that simple?
[00:47:29] Speaker B: Yeah, it's that simple. It's all about the vibes.
[00:47:32] Speaker A: It's all about the vibes. That might have to be the title of the podcast. It's all about lives.
[00:47:39] Speaker B: No, but I. I love that point because I really feel like the. The process of bringing, you know, whatever it is you feel like you're here to bring. Just like you said, we're all craving that interconnectedness. Like, I think all of us, at some point in our lives, we think to ourselves, like, there's something more. There's something that feels like it's missing. And I feel that that missing component is that feeling of, like, unity, consciousness, and that, you know, there's something much bigger than me and that I'm interconnected with every single thing here, and there is no separation.
But I love the point that you made, because I feel like that that process of bringing in your art into the world, it connects you more and more with other people, and you start to realize, like, how your paths kind of converge and how people were, like, destined to receive your gifts in the same way that they were destined to give you their gifts.
And, like, if you fully let yourself go into that process, it's like life becomes so, like, colorful and lively, but you really have to, you know, and it builds that interconnectedness, and you start to see it not only between people, but you see it with everything and, like, in all the little things that you do. But I think it's really hard to maintain that. Like, you can't maintain that all the time. It's really hard. I feel like we all try to. That's, like the end goal. You want to just feel that all the time. But I think, you know, it's something that kind of just happens in pockets.
So we kind of have to be okay with that, too, along the way.
[00:49:04] Speaker A: Yep, exactly. It's the dance work in progress over here.
[00:49:08] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:49:11] Speaker A: But, yeah, if there is an end goal that probably is the end goal that probably has to do with enlightenment is seeing the interconnectedness 24 7.
[00:49:22] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:49:24] Speaker A: And at that point, you actually lose yourself.
[00:49:25] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:49:26] Speaker A: And that's why there is the struggle, because it's like a premature death.
If I always knew that I was 100% connected at all times, I don't know. I don't think that's the point, actually. But the. The ego is like, no, no, no, no. Don't do that. Don't, don't, don't. Don't do that yet. It's a little scary.
[00:49:44] Speaker B: Yeah, that's a good point, though, because I. I really agree with the idea that I don't think that the purpose is to dissolve your ego completely.
Like, the ego is part of. It gets a bad rap. Okay. It does a lot of things that causes us to suffer, but there is a purpose in it. It helps us to.
Your ego is kind of. It's like the iceberg theory. You have the iceberg that's above water, and the part that's above the water is your conscious mind. The part that's under is your unconscious mind, which is like 70% or something. I don't know. I just made that number up. But it's a really big percent.
And then where the water kind of meets the. The iceberg, that water would be like your ego defense mechanism. And so your ego is designed to protect you in the sense that it keeps your unconscious in the unconscious, which is helpful because, like, you don't want to walk around constantly being triggered or, like, pulling, you know, memories from, like, your past life or something like that. Like, you don't want to be.
It's not beneficial to your human experience.
[00:50:47] Speaker A: And you need an ego reading everybody's mind.
[00:50:50] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I don't want to do that.
[00:50:53] Speaker A: Yeah. Right.
So, like, you need purpose to the separation. Right, is what you're saying?
[00:50:57] Speaker B: Yes. There's purpose to the separation that, like, we're here to be human. And so in order to be human and for me to experience, like, you know, to experience other people, to experience, like, the soft textures of this bed. In order to experience that, I have, I have to feel in some way that I'm separate. That's how you experience the contrast. So I don't believe that we are supposed to just, like, be in this war with the ego and destroy. Destroy the ego completely for the rest of Our lives. I think that there's, like, a healthy balance, but figuring out what that balance is like is always a question.
[00:51:32] Speaker A: Always a question.
[00:51:33] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:51:34] Speaker A: Yeah, that's the path, really.
[00:51:35] Speaker B: Yeah, for sure.
[00:51:38] Speaker A: Yeah. It's bringing that essence of understanding of interconnectedness into the game of the ego.
Yeah. That's tricky. But that is the path, I think, for all of us.
[00:51:49] Speaker B: You know what? I think we figured it out. I think we're good.
[00:51:52] Speaker A: That's it.
That's it. Everybody.
[00:51:56] Speaker B: We're good.
[00:51:56] Speaker A: Seriously, though.
Yep. And then on and on we go.
We dance that dance as we live our life and do our little things here as we take that essence of the supreme and bring it into the futility, in humility of the human condition.
[00:52:16] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's where service comes into play, because that service is how you kind of connect back to that interconnectedness. And it's really, you know, it doesn't have to be in these, like, huge, gigantic, like, romanticized ways. It's just in, like, the small things and the conversations that you have. But centering your life around service is what really fosters that interconnectedness. That. Yeah, it's.
It is hard. It's hard, but at the same time, it's like. It's all just a silly joke. So it's like, whatever.
[00:52:48] Speaker A: Yep, exactly.
Yeah, I feel that, too. The path of bhakti is the only way to devote oneself to something greater than yourself.
[00:52:59] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:52:59] Speaker A: That's how you dance the dance of and you don't get sucked into the ego games is like, you turn the ego on itself to serve something.
[00:53:08] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:53:08] Speaker A: So then. Yeah, that's how you kind of dissolve into the greater essence, is by serving the greater essence.
[00:53:15] Speaker B: Yeah. I love that.
[00:53:16] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:53:17] Speaker B: Because when you center something in your life that's bigger than you, it's like in the shadow of that, everything becomes so small and minuscule. But I think that's. That's part of the issue is, like, so many of us have been so cut off from that essence that we don't even realize that there's something so much bigger. So then we take these very small triggers or experiences, and that almost becomes, like, the God of our life. Like, that becomes the thing that we worship because we're so unaware of the fact that there's, like, something way bigger than that.
So I don't know. I guess the question is, like, why. Why do some people get to experience that, you know, that switch or that, like, feeling of, like, bliss or interconnectedness? Because that's. I feel like, what starts the journey for so many people. They experience that, and they're like, oh, my gosh, what is this? I need to figure out, you know, this is, like, the answer to all of my questions in my entire life. But, you know, why some people experience that and others are not able to.
To reach that. I don't know.
[00:54:20] Speaker A: Yeah, I think that's beyond our understanding.
[00:54:22] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:54:23] Speaker A: We're not supposed to understand that.
[00:54:24] Speaker B: No, we're not.
[00:54:26] Speaker A: That's part of the greater essence. The greater plan that we're. We are in is. Some people get it, some people don't.
[00:54:32] Speaker B: Mm.
[00:54:33] Speaker A: I think we all will get it, per se, in the end, in time.
But, yeah, like, why are we on this wavelength and others not?
I don't know. It's hard to.
Hard to pinpoint. I ask that to some people sometimes, and that's kind of the general answer that people give me. It's like, don't worry about it.
[00:54:54] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:54:57] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, I have gotten the answer from one person. They said, well, it's obvious. It's because in past lifetimes, you did work to be able to see this way. I'm like, oh, okay. I guess if you. Yeah. If you put into the context of reincarnation and karma and things of that nature, then, yeah, I guess that makes a lot of sense. But if we just take into account this life, it's a mystery.
[00:55:19] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, that was. That was like, the. The answer that I came up for myself, too, is like, maybe I just, like, did enough work in my past life. Like, I don't know. I was like, why am experiencing all of this? But it's hard to figure it out. But I think what, you know, a lot of us struggle with on this path is like, okay, you wake up, you have all these realizations. You've connected to yourself. You've figured out a truth that many haven't tapped into, and now you're struggling because nobody else can understand it, at least in your immediate environment. Like, it takes time to find that community. But there's that feeling of being misunderstood because you're like, nobody else seems to be able to see this. And it brings up those questions of, like, why am I burdened with this, like, you know, ability to see or this path if, like, nobody can receive it? Like, we all want gifts, but, you know, what's the point of having a gift if people can't receive it?
And I think part of that journey and feeling of isolation or just being misunderstood on this path is really just like, surrendering that nobody needs to Know you. Nobody needs to understand you. It's okay if people have a different path.
You let them have their, you know, journey, and I'll have my journey. And I just have to trust that, like, you know, back to the vibes. Like, I just have to trust that the vibes that I'm emitting are, you know, creating a ripple effect in the world, even if it's not in this, like, big, you know, expansive way of me, like, getting on a stage and telling everybody like, this is what I believe in.
[00:56:48] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Very well said. The vibes don't lie.
[00:56:52] Speaker B: They don't. They never do.
[00:56:54] Speaker A: That's what I like to say.
That's a good point. Right. We all create our own artwork, and it doesn't have to be grandiose. That's another thing I always like to emphasize is you don't have to be crazy like me and have a podcast or write a book or do anything really, in terms of, like, spreading the good word. You don't have to evangelize it at all. It comes down to the little things, you know, the little interactions we have with people. You ever have, like a interaction with a stranger and they're just such a good person, they just, you know, they got a good smile, they got. They got good energy that it affects you for the whole day, the whole week, or the whole month, or maybe your whole life. Right. And it was just like a. It was just like a five minute conversation. Right. That's how we change the world.
[00:57:34] Speaker B: No, that's literally. That's how the world changes. And it's crazy because it's like, it stays with you for so long and you think about that energy and it gives you, like, when you feel that vibe from somebody else, it gives you the ability to touch that energy within yourself.
And then you, like, it's almost like they're serving as like a mirror to you, and they mirror to you. A frequency that you can then connect with within yourself. And that's the ripple effect, and that's like, literally how you change the world. But, yeah, it doesn't have to be in big ways. It's like the tiny, tiny things.
[00:58:05] Speaker A: Yep.
That little way can be a butterfly effect to change the world.
[00:58:11] Speaker B: Yeah, for sure.
[00:58:14] Speaker A: That's the beauty of it. That's the beauty of community, and that's the beauty of touching base with people like you. Shivani is.
Yeah, I feel invigorated with the energy. There's, like, contagiousness to it. Right?
[00:58:24] Speaker B: Yeah. I love it.
[00:58:26] Speaker A: Yeah. Right? It's beautiful. It's like, you pass it to me, I pass it to you, and we pass it to other people, and then those other people pass it to other people and Kumbaya.
[00:58:34] Speaker B: Yeah, literally.
No, I think we're going to build a lot of. Of communities that look very different than the way that they have in the past.
As we start to all kind of, like, integrate these ideals and energies into our bodies, it's like, ultimately, that's where the healing happens and centering ourselves around community, because that's a huge thing that we've lost, I think, in our society is the healing effect of community. And even when we do have communities, if you psychoanalyze them, there's just so much of this, like, fear, hierarchy, dominance, power dynamics. It's not this community of, like, a circle. It's a community of, like, a pyramid. So I think we really need to, like, you know, Kumbaya. We need to pass that around, and we need to, you know, create that circle and just lift each other up. But I think it's happening, so I'm excited.
[00:59:29] Speaker A: It's definitely happening. Yeah, it's happening literally as we speak.
[00:59:32] Speaker B: Yep. It's happening right now.
[00:59:34] Speaker A: Yeah.
Well, honestly, I think that's a good note to wrap this up at.
I thank you for joining my community and creating your own community, because, yeah, I think you have a bright future and you have a lot of people that will resonate with you. I do, at least.
[00:59:52] Speaker B: Thank you.
[00:59:52] Speaker A: So thank you for bringing your energy and your vibes to my show today.
I don't have anything else to say.
[00:59:59] Speaker B: Okay.
[01:00:00] Speaker A: But, yeah, do you have anything else that you want to say and get off your chest?
[01:00:03] Speaker B: Not really. I just want to say thank you for having me. Thanks for reaching out. I had so much fun, and I'm really excited to keep seeing how our communities grow and affect, you know, people down the line.
But I guess if anybody has made it this far, I would say if there's one thing that you take away from this, I hope that it would be, you know, how can I listen to my own intuition more? How can I connect to my intuition within my body? And I guess, what can I do today and tomorrow to practice using that muscle of coming back into myself? Because that is the greatest war that you'll ever fight, but it's also, like, the greatest, most revolutionary thing that you could do for this world right now? So. Yeah.
[01:00:45] Speaker A: Awesome. Amen to that.
[01:00:47] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:00:48] Speaker A: Yep. Go within. We're all fighting the war. That's the thing.
[01:00:50] Speaker B: We are. We are.
[01:00:52] Speaker A: Yeah. That's the Bhagavad Gita right there.
[01:00:55] Speaker B: Oh, yep. Love that book.
[01:00:58] Speaker A: It's the book of books.
[01:00:59] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:01:00] Speaker A: Well, Shivani, thank you again. I wish you all the best and keep up the awesome work.
[01:01:05] Speaker B: Thank you so much. Thank you for having me.
[01:01:08] Speaker A: For sure.
Peace and love, everybody.
[01:01:10] Speaker B: Bye.
