Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Okay.
Abby, thank you for joining me today.
[00:00:06] Speaker B: Thank you for having me.
[00:00:08] Speaker A: For sure.
So, yeah, getting this thing started, would you be able to give us a little bit about who you are and what you do? Exactly.
[00:00:15] Speaker B: Yeah, sure.
This question is always answered, like, so differently every time I get asked, as we're so multifaceted. Right, right. As human beings.
I am a woman from Costa Rica.
I am very passionate about the exploration of consciousness.
I love nature, so I live just in front of the ocean right now.
And, yeah, I grew up around nature.
I feel like it's one of my greatest teachers, and I implement it into everything that I do.
And to talk about what I do, I am a therapist, so I work with sounds vibration, and I'm also helping coaches, facilitators, educational creators to create, like, an authentic and sustainable business, which is, like, kind of a plot twist for everything that I just said, but it will make sense as we speak.
[00:01:21] Speaker A: Cool. Well, thank you for sharing.
Just want to say this, too. Your English is very good.
[00:01:27] Speaker B: Thank you.
[00:01:34] Speaker A: So how did you get on this wavelength? You know, being an explorer of consciousness
[00:01:39] Speaker B: altogether, I feel like, okay, when I was a little girl, I was kind of the weirdo. Like, I would always get called, like, the weird kid. And for some reason, it didn't bother me. I was like, oh, that's actually nice. Like, that means that I am in, like, in a different. Just in a different path.
So it's that thing that some people speak about where you understand that you're just in some sort of way not. Not to put yourself in, like, a pedestal or anything like that, but it's just different.
So I remember, like, I have these vivid memories, first of all, of, like, invisible friends were always, like, I would always be playing with invisible friends.
I remember being outside and just having these feelings, Feelings, like, I could really connect and speak to animals and the plants. And I have this vivid memory of, like, moving the wind and then literally seeing, like, the trees responding. And it's just a natural thing from. From presence and connection.
So I had these memories when I was a child, and I never got, like, spiritually suppressed. Like, my mother told me one day that when I was about six or five, I was with my cousin and we were, like, speaking out loud, like, hey, yeah. Do you remember when you were, like, a grandfather and I was, you know, like, we were just, like, speaking about past lives, memories, and.
Yeah, in my family, we do have, like, certain practices that are normalized. I grew up as a Christian, just, like, as the majority of countries here in Latin America but there was always this openness within the family.
Very sensitive family.
My grandpa studied like the UFOs and like alien activity, so. And crystals. So he would like sometimes speak to me about certain things and I would begin to work with those ideas as I grew older. And then When I was 16, I went into my first, like, big wellness event by an unfolding of synchronicities. And that was what, like, finally shifted like the doors of seeing that this was something that was activated on this planet and that maybe I was not that weird kid that, you know, didn't resonate with like normal careers or like just like didn't conform with what she knew before.
[00:04:43] Speaker A: Yeah.
You. You start to see that everyone else is the weirdo.
Yeah, Everyone else is crazy. You're not the crazy one.
I feel that.
[00:04:58] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:04:59] Speaker A: Now you said nature, right. Is your teacher. I feel that 100% as well.
Just like being in the midst of it, I think teaches you stuff energetically.
Right. It's like you get downloads from nature that go beyond logic somehow. I know that sounds like some hippie talk.
[00:05:15] Speaker B: Oh, no, no, no, no.
[00:05:17] Speaker A: It's the truth.
[00:05:17] Speaker B: Bring all the hippie woo. Like, let's get that those titles.
[00:05:21] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. We're in the right place for hippie talk, right?
[00:05:26] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:05:28] Speaker A: It's true though. I feel it and I think anyone else can feel it and attest to that. You just walk out in the woods and you're just like, oh, yeah, this is it, this is it.
But do you feel like in Costa Rica there is like an amplification of that? I've never been to Costa Rica pre face been to Guatemala. That was magical.
[00:05:47] Speaker B: Oh, wow.
[00:05:48] Speaker A: Yeah. When I was there, I'm like, all the vibes here are just immaculate. So I can imagine Costa Rica's similar in that regard where the amplification of the teachings of nature are, you know, tenfold, hundredfold than say, outside of Boston. Right. Like, do you feel like this special energy around that region?
[00:06:08] Speaker B: So there is like so many layers to this response. Because I remember when I was in like I studied Reiki in one point of my journey and they were speaking about like a concept of, you know, like the Matrix.
And as they were speaking, I was like, oh, this makes so much sense because I had like heard about portals, but I was literally expecting to be like, you know, like maybe like going into another whole dimension when I entered a portal. Like, I was expecting like the typical movie type of thing. I was trying to walk into like the arches of the trees and everything.
That sort of, of Story. But then when I was hearing about this concept, they were speaking about how energetically we connect to different matrix set. Matrix. Yeah, to different matrix that are collective.
So let's say that, for example, when the pandemic hit, there was a lot of fear. Right? Right. And it was easier to connect with that fear because it was something that was activated in the planet specifically. And since a lot of people connected with this collective fear, it became stronger and stronger. So whenever, let's say someone was not in fear, but they thought about the pandemic for just a moment, they could connect immediately and feel that fear.
Right. Because it's a large matrix.
So I. I feel like that's sort of what happens in specific areas of the planet, like everywhere, because the cities also have like, very potent vortex just because of the density of what we have built on top of, like the planet.
So I sort of feel like that's what happens with countries. Like, you can feel like the land's energy. But I do also feel like it's very different because even in Costa Rica, we have like a lot of sub. I would even call it like subcultures.
For example, if you go to the Caribbean side, it's really connected with different roots. Much more of like the African, Jamaican type of roots. Very Caribbean. And then if you go to the Pacific side, it's completely different. So I feel like that depends on the zone. But we do have like a richness, intensity of nature, which is really felt.
[00:08:51] Speaker A: Yeah, sorry, that's some nature right there.
[00:08:54] Speaker B: That's a nature motorcycle.
[00:08:57] Speaker A: Some human nature, so.
[00:08:58] Speaker B: Human nature. Yeah.
So, yeah, I feel like it's a really interesting, really interesting question. I do have had, like, it's strange experiences walking in certain parts of nature. Word, like it's not human touched. And I have heard some things, felt some things. That definitely happens.
[00:09:22] Speaker A: Interesting way to look at it, where there is a collective resonance in an area based upon you could say the energies or just how people think. And that is the portal. Right. It's not like something that you see that opens up like a circle you walk into, but you see it or you feel it in that way. You feel the portal, you feel the energies in it. It is sort of like you travel to a different dimension, right. Based upon, like, what you're feeling and what you're intaking in terms of the energies. Maybe not literally, but spiritually, energetically, you go through the portal. I have to say this, though, one time, I never said this on the podcast.
Me and my friend have literally, we saw a portal in the woods. I know people are gonna think I'm crazy. People are gonna be like, dude, how many drugs were you taking that day? Nothing. Completely sober. We were in the middle of the woods. It's called the Freetown State Forest. It's a tangent, but I feel like we're on a good, you know, note here in terms of portals. I live in a place called the Bridgewater Triangle, so people can look it up. It's a. It's a. I don't know how many miles, maybe about 160 to 100 mile triangle south of Boston, where there is just endless occult activity, paranormal activity, and just weirdness. UFOs. It's just weird. People can look it up. It's actually, like, kind of famous. I live directly in the center. It's kind of funny. I like to say I'm part of the Bridgewater tribe.
So we're in the Freetown State Forest, which is a popular area of activity for the paranormal, you could say. And me and my friend were skeptics. This was a few years ago, before I was even on the path, before I got into the psychedelics and things of that nature. Me. Me and my friend, my dog were just literally going for a hike one day in the woods. And we all of a sudden we passed this point, and I started to feel sick. Just out of nowhere. Started to feel lightheaded, nauseous, just weak, right? So I turned to him and say, hey, man, I think we should turn back. I'm not really feeling that good. And he looks at me and says, I'm not feeling that good either. So we both got sick at the same exact time.
So that freaked us out. And then about, I don't know, 30 seconds later, we look down the path, and God's honest truth, okay, you guys are gonna think I'm lying. You think I'm crazy. We look down the path. There is this, like. I want to say portal, but that's a strong word. But it's like this.
This circle with, like, heat haze, you know, heat haze, like off a car or something's hot. It's like distorting the air. It was like that at the end of the path, and we're both looking at each other, so we're both don't feel good. And we're both like, hey, man, do you see that? And he's like, yeah, I see that.
And at that point, we're just freaked out. We're like, what the heck is going on? Because this came out of nowhere. We were just having a nice, peaceful Hike, you know, in the middle of the day and then all of a sudden we see a portal. So we just run away.
We're gonna get out of here. We just turn around and run away and that's it. I don't even know what we talked about after that. I think we were so freaked out, we just got in the car, went.
I don't even remember what happened after that. I just remember we talk about it regularly. Like, hey, do you remember that day we saw the portal? And we still have no idea what the heck happened. So moral of the story is there are real portals potentially and there also are energetic portals that we can step into. And I think it's a matter of, as you said, I think it's the same idea. Like you step into an area and the energy changes more than just like on a five sense level. Right, Maybe at a five sense level, but there's levels to our being where the energy can change us in ways that we can't even imagine.
[00:12:58] Speaker B: Oh, this is such a good, like let's go there. Let's go like full conspiracy theory. Because I mean, have you heard that like we're getting prepared to normalize certain things through movies, right?
[00:13:13] Speaker A: Oh yeah. What's that called? Predictive programming?
[00:13:15] Speaker B: Yeah. Like let's say it's Star wars or like these different movies are kind of like sci fi. Like why is it that we keep repeating the same type of, of thing, you know, like the portals or let's say, I don't know, like even with the vampires, like all of these different archetypes, like we need to start to question, like, why are they repeating this so many times?
And it's like we have seen like, I feel like science is just catching up with what we've been predicting with just like intuition and spirituality. Like, you know, literally we can quantify right now when the vibration is different in certain spaces. And it's like much more than trying to understand it.
Why don't we start with the questions of like, why don't I just like start to investigate it? Why, why don't we open up ourselves to those possibilities? Like how much more evolution would be we would we be seeing in humanity if only we began to ask more questions? Because these sorts of things happen all of the time.
And it's like you only need to step, step into nature a little bit to a place where has been like not that touched by human beings, to start feeling and sensing and seeing things that are not that common.
And the way in which I can put that in a more grounded way is that even observing how the animals and how the nature reacts when we step into it. Like, if you really would go alone to a forest and start to have some questions in your mind, you would see that it's like a two way dialogue. You would see that maybe the trees are moving differently when you ask certain questions or a bird flew by and maybe it has like some type of meaning that, you know, get some like a different thought activated for you. So.
[00:15:30] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, exactly. We're seeing that our reality is literally made of magic.
Right. All the stuff in the movies and the fairy tales and Lord of the Rings and Star wars, all that stuff is like deep rooted truths that are conveyed on the screen through the characters and through all of those stories. But I think that is like, that's the reality we came from, that we lost over years and years of civilization. And again, nature, when you get back into nature, you start to feel that magic again. You start to see things that you don't normally see or feel things that you don't normally feel.
It's real. Yeah, 100%.
[00:16:12] Speaker B: Yeah.
The cool thing is that now it's getting quantified.
So literally yesterday we were, we were doing a certification because I live in a wellness house as well. I don't only do like, like the media, but I like literally turn off my computer. I go downstairs and it's like ashala. And there are certain activities that we do in this house.
And yesterday there was a certificate, a sound therapy certification going on on the downstairs floor. And I went there because I was asked to try a technology that's called New Phoria on the people while they were doing like the, you know, like the, the treatments just to see the, like the actual effects and this.
Another moral cycle.
[00:17:07] Speaker A: You're good. It's not that loud.
[00:17:09] Speaker B: Okay. Okay, cool.
So this technology measures the brain waves, like in real time, which gives you like straight up data of like what's happening in the consciousness. And I paired up with this woman because there was not enough people to make pairs.
So the teacher was like, abby, do you want to receive one? And I was, you know, like, of course, course.
And like she puts my, her hand on my womb. I've been doing like a lot of womb work recently and all of a sudden like, I blacked out and then I don't know what she did. And then she then put her hand again in my body and. And then I was like, I, I came back and then as she were. Yeah, as she was sharing, like, this was literally yesterday in like not even 24 hours ago. And as she was sharing, this has happened to her like several times.
So she has access this kind of portal where she's able to travel. And I have done like work with like dream work.
So she like took me into like that space immediately, but, you know, like, I fully went out of my body and then came back and that results in everyone and everything were pretty curious because she, her mind is in like the flow state constantly, which is not that common.
But she, through going into that portal herself, she was able to open it up for me.
[00:18:52] Speaker A: That's powerful.
[00:18:52] Speaker B: We quantify it and we like studied and measured it, you know, So I do feel like there, there is a lot of encouragement that needs to take place in also being like, okay, yeah, there are symbolism in the movies, clearly. There are a lot of secrets that are being gatekeep kept by the government and like all of these organizations.
I told you, Gary, let's go full conspiracy theory mode.
[00:19:20] Speaker A: We're going there.
[00:19:22] Speaker B: So it's only worth it to live with that curiosity to start to see, like, what. What's your connection with all of that nonsense, that science? It's like casually catching up right now, you know?
[00:19:39] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:19:39] Speaker B: Really?
[00:19:40] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. That's the magic of the times is that we are able to see this and we live under the paradigm of seeing is believing. Right. The west, it's like you got to, you got to provide proof. If there's no proof on paper, then it's magic. And magic, as in fairy tales, it doesn't. Doesn't exist. Right. So now that we can, as you said, quantify it and provide the data for people, I think it gives more incentive to explore their own magic, you know, and that way, explore their own consciousness. Right. And what do you mean by like, what. So let me ask you, what was the practice called again? And what exactly did you measure? Like you measured your brain waves.
Could you explain that a little more?
[00:20:23] Speaker B: Yes. So the, this technology, I don't have it here with me, but let me. Like, it's like a band that you put over your head, like, and it has like a circuit. Circuit. Circ. Yeah, circuit. Yes.
It has like some, some of those in here.
And it's able to measure your brain waves, your breathing, and like the different states, like alpha, beta, delta, like these, these states of, of mind. And from that analysis, it then gives you like an accurate.
Or like they're trying to get as accurate as they can because of course it's just catching up to what we're feeling and sensing and channeling. But it gives you, like, a sense of, like, are you distracted? Are you in flow? Are you in calm? So you have these different charts where that, you know, get to show what's being tested with the band.
So what we did is that we put the band on the. This woman that was giving me the treatment.
And the results on her brain were pretty. Like she was still in flow state, even though she was being like the one giving the session. Oh, I just sprinkled with some.
[00:21:54] Speaker A: Some Costa Rican snow,
[00:21:58] Speaker B: with some wild fallen.
No, like, I'm gonna be completely run real.
There's like an animal that poops in, like this fairy dust way.
[00:22:10] Speaker A: You can clean up if you want to. You can take a break if you want. You're good, though. I don't really see.
[00:22:14] Speaker B: Oh, no, it was just like that little sprinkle in the podcast. It's okay.
[00:22:21] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:22:24] Speaker B: I love to be unreal, so that's great. Where. Where I. Okay. So, yeah, we put the band on her and I was like, seeing her tests and I was like, whoa, this is kind of unusual. Like, why is your brain in flow state so constantly? Because even as we were, like, just speaking, like, her mind was in, like, flow state. So she shared some things with us and turns out, like, she has had these, like, really profound experiences.
Her brain is really organized, which I would love to get more of those insights from her because it was really impressive. I've never seen. Seen anything like that in those tests.
And yeah, like, my theory is that since she has that capability of doing that, her, you know, her practice of practicing with me allowed me to go there as well, because I'm very receptive and open to the woo woo world.
[00:23:27] Speaker A: That's the keys. Be open and especially be open around the right people.
That's another layer of the magic that we can find, is that some people, they got it, they got the energy. It's like the force and it's contagious. I realize that as well when I come on here with people and you don't even have to be in the same room. Right. You just.
You can connect through time and space. Somehow the minds connect.
And if they're good, if you're open enough and they're good, you'll get a little bit of their energy. Right. It'll rub off. You'll get what they got. You know what I'm saying?
I feel that 100%.
I want to meet this woman, though. She seems interesting.
[00:24:05] Speaker B: She's weird.
Yeah.
Like, I feel like that. What work.
Yeah. What wanted to Come through. Through us going into these conspiracy theory sort of pathway right now is that we live in such a telepathic world. And what do I mean by telepathy? It's just everything is energy.
All right? So, like, we. We have already proved this with your science. Like, we can look at this up. Maybe I'm not saying the right words, but, like, frequency and energy is something that's happening all of the time, and that it is embedded in every single one of us and. And in trees, in, you know, like, every single being and every space as well. Like, you go into a house. And I feel like all of us have had this experience of going into a place and feeling like it's sketchy and just being like, I don't. I don't know why, but I don't want to be here. Just as your experience with the portal, and it's not something that you can fully explain, rather something that you can feel. Because if everything is energy, our energies are constantly, like, interacting with one another.
So that's the way in which we're also able to, like, tell if someone. If a conversation, if anything. Like, we're constantly, like, calibrating and feeling each other.
So that's the way in which I would start. If you're hearing this podcast and you're like, oh, they are telling me to start exploring, but where do I even start?
Like, just sitting down and feeling whatever is around you starts a different type of conversation and a different type of experience with the world around you. And even if you don't feel anything, like, what a pleasure it is to disconnect from this very loud and intense, like, information.
Intense the world and just noisy. The presence. Yeah, noisy. And connect with your own presence and connect with. With being like, oh, okay, there's a tree right in front of me.
I'm gonna open myself up to just see it and see what I feel.
Oh, there's a breeze. You know, like, I. There's not enough of that. And that's not a coincidence either. Like, maybe there's a reason why all of these systems and information are wanting you to be distracted. I'm just saying.
So that would be a way.
[00:26:42] Speaker A: Yeah.
That's the beauty of the spiritual path, right? Is it's so simple to acquaint yourself with these special powers, with telepathy and with your heart, essentially. It's just slowing down. That's it. It's. Stop looking out there and start looking in here. Take time to just simply do nothing. Actually, it sounds funny to say, but it's Just take some time to just sit and chill. This is a practice of mine as of late, is to just sit, not necessarily in, you know, my room where it's actually peaceful. It's like, can I just sit in the midst of the city and chill and just watch it all go by, watch the people go by, watch the cars go by and just take that all in? That's a meditation. That's an interesting meditation. Right at the same thing of taking in nature.
Try and go into the concrete jungles and do the same thing. It's not as easy, but it is a practice. I'm finding it useful to just sit there and just watch everybody go about their life and all the stuff going on. Just sit there and just breathe. Don't go on your phone. Just sit there and breathe. Right? Because that's another part of the simplicities. You can do this anywhere.
Preferably, I think in the beginning of the path, you start off for sure to get the skill, right, to acquaint yourself with yourself in some semblance of peace. Like actual peace.
Right. Like an actual hideaway, you could say. But then I think the second half of the path, and maybe you can attest to this, is you take that sense of peace into the goings on of your life, you take that into the world, you take that.
That power endowed into the world, and that's how we essentially transform the world. I know that's kind of like. That's kind of in the later stages here. I'm kind of going off, but I think that's where this all goes, right? It's like we. We become more aware, we become more powerful, really, and then we start to serve the world around us and we start to change the world around us. Would you say that is like the end goal of all of this work, of becoming more conscious? Is changing the world in some way changing your world?
[00:28:49] Speaker B: That's a good question.
[00:28:50] Speaker A: So I know it's a big one.
[00:28:51] Speaker B: Yeah, Well, I feel like, again, there are certain layers to this because I have come from a year where I have been in this work and in this world for quite some time now. And I was directly working for one of the biggest personal development companies in the whole world.
And I got like this illusion poured into my brain of changing the world of, you know, like really sort of what we're seeing in the personal development world and in the spiritual world, where some. Sometimes we are sort of confusing lines and getting out of truth, because any illusion, like, will shift us out of truth, which is just being Present with whatever it's present, being present with whatever opportunities are here.
So to answer this question, I feel like, yes, like, the more that we invest in ourselves in, you know, get to know thyself, in get to sit with thyself, get to explore one's consciousness, then we're able to impact with that energy.
I feel like activating real, genuine presence does change and shift the energy around you. And that only creates ripple effects because if you are present, you allow the person in front of you to be present and to contact that space within their own bodies.
And that's pretty healing. So I feel like, of course, if we were all doing this, the world would be radically different. But I feel like rather than focusing on like this concept of maybe feeling behind even because you're not impacting like the whole world or like the mass of people that you would want to impact, you concentrate on your community and the people that are around you and that will create miracles and that will also bring your energy back to you.
[00:31:19] Speaker A: Amen. Yeah, very well said.
That's the thing is it's effortless. The way that we change the world is we change ourselves. And when we change ourselves, that just naturally rubs off, right?
And if you try, the more you try to be the savior or the Messiah, the more it's not going to work, the more it's just like you're going to be insufferable. Honestly, people don't like that, right? You're going to suffer and you're going to make other people suffer. Nobody likes that, right? It's all about the energy. It's all about the energy. And I'm not even speaking from. Well, I kind of am. I'm speaking from my own personal experience. But my personal experience and how I feel when others are on this wavelength, like, I feel their energy. I think I said this already, but I feel their energy affects me. I feel that like they're doing something to me and they're. It's like it's just in their presence. And in their presence, something just rubs off. There's something contagious. Right.
But you can't try to be that. That's the tricky thing. If you try to be holy, you're just being fake holy. And that's not. That's not real.
[00:32:23] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:32:23] Speaker A: Okay, what's the saying?
I say you can't fake being real, right? You can't fake being real.
It's not simple.
So, yeah, don't think about it too much. All this comes along the way and I love.
[00:32:37] Speaker B: Because I can really Feel like you're really present, you know, like, you're not in the back of your mind being like, oh, let's not, you know, have this podcast be too long. Or, like, I have a structure, and you can even be present in your structures. Like, I'm sure about that. And I. And I know that, but what I'm saying is that you activate that quality and you allow yourself to feel people.
Yeah, like, that's. That's another big component to all of this. Like, we're so afraid of feeling other people, of going that deep, deep. Because it's like, if I go deep, we're reflecting a part of our soul. And what happens when that happens? You know, I. I love what Ramdas said of, like, there was a point in his journey where he went into a boss, and any person that he saw in. In that boss, he could fall in love with them, but he didn't need to do anything about that.
We have all of these conceptions of how to interact with one another, how to interact with our own bodies and our own self and our own expression. What's proper, what's not. What happens if we're a little bit more messy? What happens if we're a little bit more loving? What happens if we're more alive? Because I essentially feel, like, that true, real, raw presence where we're able to, like, see each other and feel each other and be like, oh, wow, this is also, like, a beautiful place. Way of getting as deep as we can. Like, this is the first time that we're meeting each other, but we're here. We are opening ourselves up to, like, loving and feeling and being in presence for the sake of being alive.
That's. That's.
[00:34:24] Speaker A: Amen.
Yeah, exactly. It's so raw, isn't it?
It's visceral.
A little strange, right? It is funny when you say it like that. This is. We never met each other, and here we are opening our hearts to each other through a screen.
I don't know. There is something that I just enjoy about it, though. There's something about me being vulnerable with strangers on the Internet.
[00:34:52] Speaker B: Yeah.
That's how I feel on my. Like, on my Instagram and my YouTube. Like, there's something so sweet about being raw and real and vulnerable with strangers on the Internet. Like. Like, only just this. Like, imagine the amount of people that are watching this, and it's like you guys are sitting down in this circle with us. Like, we're in a sacred fire right now. There's something going on, like, you know, and. And you get to laugh with us and feel us. Like, if you actually open up to this podcast, oh, like the time and space are just going to dissolve. And it's, it's a very special, special thing. Like I. That itself is a superpower to be that present with anyone, to allow yourself to be like, oh my gosh, like, my heart wants to sing and speak and like transmit in this way and just allow that wave to come through instead of being that rigid copy of like, everyone that we see in society. That's why everyone else is like the weirdo. It's like we're not even there. If you're not present, you're not fully there.
[00:35:56] Speaker A: Yeah. This is like an expression of freedom, right? Freedom of mind, freedom of speech.
And also the magic of it is I feel as though the people that are watching it in the future are here now. Does that make any sense? They're with us at this point. So the magic of what we're doing now is non linear. So there's, there's a part of this, what we're doing right now, that exists in the future and somebody's watching it and they're with us right now. I know that's trippy. That's a little far up, but that's how I feel.
[00:36:31] Speaker B: I love this. It's. It's the free spirit, the type of conversation. Gary, I'm really curious to know something.
[00:36:39] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:36:39] Speaker B: Like, can I, can I ask questions back to them?
[00:36:42] Speaker A: Of course.
[00:36:42] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:36:43] Speaker A: We're just chilling.
[00:36:44] Speaker B: Yeah. Okay. So like, how do you notice when you're not present? Because I, I feel like maybe we can channel some of the questions that our people are having in this moment and just get really cur.
[00:36:57] Speaker A: That's a good question.
I would say there's just like a general sense of unease because when I'm present, there is a sense of ease or like taking a step back.
Right. It's very subtle. Very, very subtle, but very powerful. Like in presence, you're able to, like even in the midst of craziness, in the midst of noise, you're able to find that peace, that, like that subtle layer of peace where you can step back and say, okay.
Just say okay. Actually, you can just say okay. It's going to be okay. So that's how I notice is like, am I lost in the sauce? Am I lost in the goings on of my life and getting sucked into whatever the narrative is? Or am I able to take that step back, that subtle one second, that one millisecond step back in the Midst of it and, and just witness, right?
It's hard to explain actually. I've never really been asked that question. I never analyzed it myself. Like, how does one know when they're in presence? How would you answer that question?
[00:37:59] Speaker B: For me, I'm, I'm super like somatic. What that means is that I feel everything with my body.
So when I'm not present, I'm usually like fidgeting.
I, I can't hold like that, Like that yummy sensation of, of feeling that my body is not tense.
Like that's which I notice like if
[00:38:27] Speaker A: I'm just doesn't feel good. Right? Yeah, you just feel just. Oh, it's like it's gross. But when one is completely present, there's like a sense of comfort. It's like ah, yes. And I think the path, I think enlightenment is feeling that. Yes. Feeling the comfort, feeling, feeling that there's never anything wrong.
Feeling at peace in presence all the time. I'm not there. Definitely not work in progress. But if there is a goal in this whole thing that we call enlightenment that we can describe, I think it has to do with that.
[00:39:00] Speaker B: Yeah, that sounds like a really nice, you know, like state to be in. At the same time it's so human to feel everything and it's okay when we drift up. Like I remember at the beginning of being more conscious about these just you know, putting words into things that I was feeling.
I was like, okay, now I reached presence.
Now if I, I need to hold it like every day. And in the moment where I didn't feel present or in the moments where I felt sad, I felt even more sad because I was feeling sad and just going into this spiral of like not allowing yourself to also be you, like human.
And I have another, another curious question. Like I would love to know perhaps like a story where you found yourself like, oh, I'm here. Like I am present. Because I feel like a lot of, a lot of people are not used to this, like to true presence. Like I know that for the longest time I spent months just, just being like sort of checked out in my brain like a lot when I was like a teenager. But yeah, like sort of throwing in that question for people that are like, what does, how does that even look like?
[00:40:24] Speaker A: So are you asking when I first acquainted myself with this so called presence?
[00:40:28] Speaker B: I don't know if you can remember like your first, first time, but like a, a moment where it was like a whoa, I'm here. Like what?
[00:40:36] Speaker A: I'm here.
Honestly, I'll go all the Way back to childhood, right? And I think that's something we lose. I remember specifically sitting at my desk and maybe about sixth or seventh grade, six, seven. I didn't mean to do that.
Sixth, seventh, eighth grade, and just going, whoa, I'm alive.
And this is in the middle of class, right? So, you know, I got people around me, like, the classes in session, and I just go, wow, I'm alive right now. So that's the first time I think I ever came into, like, consciousness.
But I lost that. I'm not gonna lie. I've lost that and got lost in the sauce as I grew up, went into high school and just did stuff that I probably shouldn't have did and then came back into that sort of innocence of that seventh grade epiphany just a few years ago, you know, just five, six years ago. And I think it's that same feeling of, ah, wow. Yeah, I'm alive, I'm here.
And that's just through meditation and yoga and things of that nature. But it was just like, some kind of grace. I don't know what happened in seventh grade. I was just sitting there. Maybe it was just out of just absolute boredom, trying to escape the class. I don't know what it was, but I just remember specifically, I can remember the class. Like, I remember it was like, in the middle of the class, and I just go. I'm looking around just like, wow.
Just wow.
[00:42:09] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:42:09] Speaker A: And it's funny because I'm in class. It's like, I shouldn't have been wowed by anything. I hated school. And it was just something that just hit that day.
[00:42:16] Speaker B: Boredom is so important. I actually, like, reminded me of two different occasions.
One of them was like, I was actually in high school as well. And I remember, like, just seeing my friend speaking to me. And I can, Like, I just did this, like. And I was like, wow.
Like, it felt like it was the first time that I was seeing their face.
It was so weird. But, like, I had spoken to them for years, but it was like, wow, you're. You know, like, I have a whole human unfolding right in front of me. I can get pretty existential, but I love it.
Or, like, moments where I have, like, spoken.
I have a brother that's on the spectrum, and I can get a little bit impatient sometimes.
I must admit that, like, it's. It has been a practice.
But there. I remember that there was this day. It was actually one day that I sat with, like, yeah, like, cannabis, marijuana.
And I was like, I'm gonna open myself up to interact as I have never entered, like, as if this was our first time meeting.
It was so interesting and so beautiful.
And I.
Not with. With marijuana every time, of course, because I. I don't. Yeah. Like, I'm not a smoker or.
Yeah, it's one time every month. Months. Like. Yeah, no.
[00:43:57] Speaker A: Yeah. That's the way to do it, though.
[00:44:00] Speaker B: Yeah, it's very ceremonial for me. It's really, really specific for moments.
And yeah, I just started to do that with friends. Just like having this sense of, like, what if I walked into that room as if it was my first time meeting them? Of course, not playing out as I. As I had forgotten them. Like, I'm. Of course. But just like, with that awe of like the first time. Hearing these things about the first time, hugging them about, you know, like, really just like giving myself to the present moment.
And I remember this other time that's a little bit more funny than those two other examples that I was just in my room and I looked down to my feet and I was like, oh, my God, like, my whole body weight is really being carried by these two, like, little part of my physical body.
And it was like an existential sort of, like, what?
And for one moment I almost fell and everything. Like, it was like, so. Whoa, you know?
[00:45:16] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:45:18] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:45:18] Speaker A: Wow, that's interesting.
Well, interesting to say the least.
Yeah, I've had that.
Well, let me back up here because you mentioned a few things, so let me back up here one second.
I think that is a very useful practice that you mentioned, entering situations, especially with people with a virgin mind.
As in, this is the first time I've ever done this. Because technically it is. The mind will say, oh, I know this person, we've been through this and yada, yada, the story, story upon story. But really, when it comes down to it, every experience that you have is the first experience that you have with somebody. And I think that creates a very pure experience. So there's no bias in how you deal with the situation. Right. There's no. Nothing is tarnishing it. Like, you're just. You're there, we're here. Kind of like what we're doing right now. That's why these are special. Because I don't really know you. You know, I've seen some of your videos, but at the end of the day, I don't really know you. And we're.
Yeah, we're having a good time in that way. Because we don't have a bias toward each other. I don't think.
So if you can enter that situation with the people that you love. That's a very powerful practice. I think that's a yoga in itself. It's like, you know, there might be somebody at work that you don't like, try and go into that situation, try and approach that boss that you don't necessarily like with that virgin mind. Right. There's no past in just pure love in the moment. Easier said than done. I understand.
But I think that is how you do love people. You just go, okay, here we go.
There's a person in front of me. As you said, here we go. There's, wow, this is somebody just here with me right now.
That's it. And hopefully, you know, it doesn't get weird.
You know, you're not just like staring at her in awe.
Maybe you feel that way.
[00:47:08] Speaker B: You know, I mean, if you have like a really good friend or a partner and you're down to like, see other eyes for just like five minutes straight without speaking, like, that's a pretty magical experience by itself.
[00:47:21] Speaker A: Eye gazing is powerful.
[00:47:22] Speaker B: Yeah.
But with your friends. Yeah. Just don't, don't. You know, you can, you can, you can be like there.
Like being present is also that quality of like, being there, being in conversation, but at the same time having that sensation of like, oh, wow, this is really a unique moment.
[00:47:40] Speaker A: You're there and not at the same time.
[00:47:43] Speaker B: Yeah,
[00:47:46] Speaker A: yeah.
Powerful stuff. I just gotta take a sip here.
That's all it is though, right? Let's take a breath.
I try to do that. I try to take a breath before any situation. I go, okay, I'm gonna love. I'm gonna love this person. Going to go into it with love. Just pure blank slate. And I think it's that simple. You just, okay, Pure blank slate. And however it unfolds, it unfolds. You know what's funny is like the universe or God is a comedian in that way. And you're like, okay, I'm going to. Here we go. I'm going to love. And then you go into the situation and they trigger you. Right, right. Constantly triggered you. But that's the work. I think that's the work. Just when you think you are the ultimate, you are the Buddha, you the ultimate presence of all time. You are presence itself.
Something will come along the way and just say, you got some more work to do.
[00:48:44] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's curious because it's like they're the presence as well. Like, yeah, yeah. All of these concepts can be really elastic as well. Just like taking life ceremony. I feel like that's that's kind of like that conclusion. Conclusions that we can take with this conversation. It's like taking life as a ceremony, taking life as present as they can, Taking life as if this was happening for the first time. Because it is like there's no way to replicate this situation energetically, you know?
[00:49:15] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:49:15] Speaker B: I could try to be in the same clothes at the same time, speaking to you directly with your same headphones, and it's not going to ever be this.
And I feel like that's pretty special.
[00:49:29] Speaker A: It is. That's the miracle.
That's the miracle that we can see.
It's the ever renewed specialty, the ever renewed novelty of the moment.
Yeah.
Hallelujah. Hallelujah.
But, yeah, you take that into all facets of life. I think that also has something to do with enlightenment, even in the mundane. Right. Because we're creatures of habit. The mind likes to be like, oh, I do this Monday through Friday. This is where I go. This is who I know. This is. You know, this is it in terms of, like the story that you tell yourself. But if you can approach the mundane with the sense of it's a miracle, the miracle in the mundane, it creates this, like.
I don't know, I guess magic. Yeah. Kind of a buzzword of the whole conversation. It creates this magic in the midst of one's mundaneness, in the midst of the human fertility. Right. That's the things. Because we're still human at the end of the day. We're still in this body. So we gotta do the dishes, go to the bathroom, we get sick, we gotta eat. We got stuff, you know, we got stuff of the body. We're all gonna get old, sick, and die, as the Buddha saw.
So it's the magic amidst all the stuff of the body that I think is what this is all about, you know, because, you know, we can talk grandiose and go on to talk about portals and magic and telepathy, but at the end of the day, as I said, we still have to put food on the table and survive. So it's. Yeah, it's in the midst of your survival, finding that spark of magic in all of the goings on of our life. And that's what I feel. I definitely feel it 100%.
And, I don't know, I'm glad you reminded me of it today. That's why I do these things as well, because people remind me of the magic.
Yeah. So thank you, Abby.
[00:51:27] Speaker B: Thank you. Thank you for having me. This. This was such a pleasurable conversation, for sure.
[00:51:35] Speaker A: I mean, do you have anything else you want to say? I know that's probably a good note to wrap it up. I think we came full circle, but if you have anything else you want to say, feel free.
[00:51:43] Speaker B: Well, like, thank you so much for diving in with us. If you're seeing this recording and if you want to connect deeper, my I am Avi slash of earth on everything like YouTube and Instagram. That's the way to contact me.
And yeah, just like genuine, genuine thank you to Gary. Like, this was so fun.
[00:52:08] Speaker A: Well, thank you. It's only possible because people like you say yes. So I bow to you. Seriously, Amazing.
I had a lot of fun.
Well, yep. Thank you again, Abby. Keep up the awesome work. I'll link everything down below for people to find you and that's it. Peace and love.
[00:52:29] Speaker B: Peace and love, everybody.
