Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Well, Priyanka, thank you for joining me today.
[00:00:03] Speaker B: Thank you so much for having me, for sure.
[00:00:07] Speaker A: So, yeah, getting this started, would you be able to give us a little bit about who you are and what you do? Exactly.
[00:00:12] Speaker B: Okay. So I am a writer, researcher, and mystic. That's how I like to introduce myself. And I have a YouTube channel. I recently started my YouTube channel around two months back.
So on my channel, I basically bring together spiritual science and science and also Eastern and Western mysticism, and I explore our inner and outer worlds.
So I'm really right now just, you know, outlining the cosmos, looking at the macrocosm and the spiritual nature of our cosmos, and also how we are the microcosm, how the entire cosmos is actually crystallized into us so that we can really get an objective understanding of our divine nature.
And, like, I don't like to use spirituality just for inner work because I feel like a lot of the issues that we face in society, whether it's, you know, climate change or gender issues, everything has a spiritual cause. So that's also what, you know, I eventually want to do on my channel. And I have a lot of articles on subset that. That I've already written on these topics. And apart from that, like, to actually earn money, I work in functional medicine, which is, you know, biohacking.
So I work at a company as a researcher.
And.
[00:01:38] Speaker A: Yeah, awesome.
So you said something along the lines of, we are the cosmos crystallized in human form.
[00:01:49] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:01:50] Speaker A: What does that mean?
[00:01:52] Speaker B: So, I mean, in general, I think we all know when we look at esoterica, for example, our body parts are a crystallization of the zodiac system. Like, when you look at mysticism, you will see how our body parts are expressed as a literal crystallization of the zodiac. Or our chakra system is a crystallization of the planets. Or even when you go to the Godhead, for example, if you look at the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit in Christianity, or if you look at Hindu concepts like the. The Trinity in Hindu. So if you look at the Ma Shiv Maha Shakti or the Bindu. So like, all of these different concepts, they are actually within our inner being. So we have our own triune nature. So you can see that as thinking, feeling, and willing. So whatever iteration of God, you see through the cosmos, so, like, our form has been created out of it. And this also goes into the mystery of the Yugas. So we were not always in this material form. Right. We.
We were initially in satya yoga, which was years back, which is why we also have so much esoteric wisdom from the ancient times, which really seems more advanced than it is today.
So we were in that spirit form, and we really started in this very etherized form. And through different Mahayugas, like different incarnations of Earth itself, which is, you know, popularly known as, like, Lemuria, Atlantis, and all of these different civilizations, we have slowly crystallized into this form.
And every aspect of us, we have gotten from higher spiritual beings. So, like, the law of sacrifice, for example, is very prevalent in the cosmos. So if we get our mind from higher spiritual beings, and we have slowly been crystallized through their sacrifice, and now our task is to, you know, create something new through our own evolution out of this form that we have been given.
[00:04:09] Speaker A: Powerful.
Yeah. So essentially, we are a reflection of the cosmos, or the cosmos is a reflection of us, as above, so below. Yeah, I feel that I love how I just met you five minutes ago. And we're getting right into it.
Hello. How you doing? Nice to meet you. And we're getting into the crystallization of the cosmos within our being. Yeah, it's wonderful.
So what do you think we are creating? That's new. Where is this all going then? Essentially, what you're saying is the story isn't over, Right? Our.
Our story of creation, like how we came into being, is still being created. So is there a direction that you would be able to describe to where we're going?
[00:04:54] Speaker B: So if you look at the work of Rudolph Steiner, he basically talks about how we are going to be the 10th hierarchy of angels.
So after we get off this wheel of reincarnation, or samsara, as we say, we obviously, like, we're gonna move from being unrealized souls to realized souls, but we still have more responsibility to take on. Like, right now, we have small responsibilities on Earth. So after, let's say we get to further in the angelic hierarchies and we go further in the cosmos, we might have even more responsibilities. Like other spiritual beings, they look after planets or stars, but really it's also having new archetypal qualities within us and forming our own unique connection with God and creating like this own iteration of the infinite consciousness.
So I haven't actually come across what Rudolf Steiner says in any other system.
So it could also be that you ascend so much that you directly, then merge into the infinite consciousness.
But I think on a human level, when we see there is this concept of stepping into your own individuality, becoming your own unique being.
[00:06:25] Speaker A: So.
[00:06:25] Speaker B: So individuality is a really important part of spirituality, and the only way that it can happen is through dissolving your ego. And then whatever comes out of you, whatever you manifest out of yourself, will essentially be something unique which has never been created before.
[00:06:47] Speaker A: Yeah. So essentially we are creating something unique in our individual experience.
Yeah, right. By dissolving the ego, but also at a collective experience, we may become stewards of the solar system, of the galaxy, or whatever. We don't really know. I mean, it's probably very difficult to foresee and describe, but all in all is it's transformation at an individual level and at a collective level. And the way that we transform at a collective level is actually by each of us transforming individually and creating something that has never been created before for. In our own lives.
[00:07:23] Speaker B: Yeah, for sure.
[00:07:24] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah.
See, it can be very grandiose to think like that. Where is this all going? We're all becoming angels, stewards of some sort of galactic system. Right. Maybe. Who knows?
You know, going into some kind of ethereal body or astral body, but it's actually very simple. It's like, that's cool to entertain, but just worry about your own life and your own transformation and your own evolution and all that will come in time.
[00:07:47] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, I've only seen this in Rudolph Steiner's concept. I haven't come across this in Eastern mysticism. What really happens after that? Like, I think Eastern mysticism, when you look at the Vedas, they're really just. I mean, you just surrender, you detach, and, like, you dissolve your ego. You become this unique expression of the infinite consciousness. And then, I guess, wherever life takes you.
[00:08:15] Speaker A: Yeah, well, I mean, what does that even mean? You become an expression of the infinite consciousness. You merge back into God. It's like, what does that even mean? How can we even try to conceptualize that?
Yeah, but that does seem like a pole, right? I. I feel a pull toward that. Like, that seem. If there is a goal, it seems. I seem attracted to that. Right? Attracted or.
Yeah, pulled toward that direction of merging.
[00:08:39] Speaker B: Yeah. And so. So in Vedic wisdom, there is this concept known as jeevanmukta, that means liberated while being in the body.
So we can merge into the infinite consciousness right here because we're already merged into it, but we don't realize it because of the veil of Maya. So the complete dissolution of the ego is like, while we are in this body, and we have a chance to do that in every incarnation, but we just really have to be persistent in acquiring the knowledge that. How. How is this exactly? All the infinite consciousness, or Brahman, as we say, and we need to Be really persistent in fulfilling our different roles. Like a lot of people think, when you talk about the dissolution of the ego, that means you do not fulfill your responsibilities, that your soul is actually here to do in this incarnation.
But it is a combination of Karma yoga, which is what you're actually here to do.
And once you actually truly begin, not creating new karma is when you step into that complete merge, like realization of the infinite consciousness. So not creating new karma is a huge aspect of this.
And also Bhakti Yoga, so when you dissolve your ego, you have no identity. Like that's the goal. Not being attached to your identity and seeing yourself as with like one with the infinite consciousness. So. So Bhakti Yoga is essential here. And that's also one of the things I actually will talk a lot about on my channel. Because once you resolve your ego, you have to place something at the front and center. And to get to that level of realization, you need a realized being, whether it's a deity or a guru to actually show you the light that how do you actually come to this realization?
So there's Karma yoga, there's Jnana Yoga, which is knowledge.
So we need like a whole, all of a lot of these combinations to actually get to this. This realization.
[00:11:01] Speaker A: Yeah. And that's all it is, right, Is a realization or a seeing. Because I described it before as an evolution or a direction. Where are we going? But in actuality, all we're doing is just seeing. We're just seeing that we always were the Godhead, we always were Brahma.
[00:11:20] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:11:21] Speaker A: And we just kind of put up veils, the veils of the ego.
And all you have to do is just shed those veils to be able to see it. So we're not going anywhere actually. Yeah, you're just seeing where you always
[00:11:34] Speaker B: were idea that consciousness is non local.
So I mean, there's really no saying, you know, we are this localized consciousness, even that itself is an illusion. So there's really nowhere to go. Just sit here and like do our job and try to realize.
[00:11:52] Speaker A: That's it.
Well, you said something very interesting where we need a guru, we need something to devote ourselves to, would you say?
100%? Everybody needs this like teacher or reminder in order to realize.
[00:12:11] Speaker B: Yeah. So even I have come to accept this as a stage of spiritual initiation in the last year. Because before that, I mean, long back I was an atheist. And then even when I got into spirituality, I still had that rebellious aspect that, you know, we're all sovereign and you obviously don't need a guru. And because there are so many false gurus, the entire concept of what a guru actually is has completely been tainted. So if you look at Christ, I mean, we know that Christ also came to India and he studied under, under masters. And even Krishna had a teacher. So literal God incarnates. So you look at like modern teachers like Yogananda. So even he had a guru. So God incarnates and even ascended masters, all of them all had a guru or a teacher.
So, so it's already decided. Like your soul already decides whether you would find a guru in a certain incarnation of. Or not. But, but it's usually known in Eastern mysticism that out of all the incarnations you have, at least in one incarnation you will find a guru. And in that life, when you do find a guru, that's the greatest chance for you to actually find liberation.
And when I say guru. So there are different kinds of gurus. So for some people, they could connect to a deity so much like, let's say Christ, that Christ becomes your guru. But then that gets to a level of devotion that almost seems maniac to people outside you because you, your entire personality merges with Christ. And you'll actually talk like Christ is acting through me. And there is literally no you. Like, your being actually dies.
So that's the relationship that you eventually go to have with a guru who is a deity. Or then you could even have an ascended master as a guru like Yogananda.
So people find this very controversial because when you have human like gurus in a human form who are ascended masters, there is no questioning them. Like, you completely surrender to them, you follow their path. And it's very tough for people to accept this today, that it is a spiritual initiation that your soul has to go through. And, and it is necessary because if God incarnations are coming to earth and they need guidance to eventually, you know, see the light, then who are we really?
And like, another interesting example of this is, so there's this Vedic scripture known as Vasistha Yoga. So in that there's a conversation between Rama, who was an incarnation of Vishnu, but before Rama himself realized that he was God, an incarnation of God, he had, he was depressed, he was confused. And that's how the book starts. Like, God himself has incarnated on earth and he's depressed and confused, and he's like, what is this reality? And Vashisha is basically one of the seven sages or Saptarishis. And so what, the Saptarishis are basically the seven stars of the great Bear constellation.
So the Book is a literal divine transmission from the sage, from the Saptarishi to Rama, explaining the nature of the cosmos. So, like, every incarnation of God also had a guru or a teacher.
[00:15:55] Speaker A: Yeah. So that's the formula. That's the blueprint that has been here since the beginning of time. And we're no different.
[00:16:03] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:16:05] Speaker A: Powerful even. Ram had a dark night of the soul.
[00:16:09] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:16:11] Speaker A: Before he realized. Yeah, yeah. It's very interesting.
Do you have a guru?
[00:16:20] Speaker B: So I have a guru.
So just how Ram was an incarnation at that time. Krishna was at that time. So my guru, he's known as Guruji. Like his name is Nirmal.
He took Samadhi in around 2012 or so. So you could see he was like the most recent incarnation of God.
He was an incarnation of Mahashiva. I only connected with him last year. I obviously haven't met him. So it's a very telepathic connection.
And you understand his ways through the different disciples that he had when he was alive.
So you listen to such songs, like, there are a lot of such songs on YouTube. And my mom actually first connected with him and so she connected with him around four, five years back. And I used to just call her delusional because how she used to talk, you know, like, Guruji is doing this for me. Like, he is blessing me and like the complete language changes because I couldn't see that her identity has completely collapsed. And I mean, but like, she went through so many changes where I couldn't like identify that, you know, she is acquiring siddhis. Because my understanding of spirituality was like, really not that expansive back then.
So, like, only in the last year I came to understand what she is actually talking about.
So I used to just call her like, delusional with how she used to talk. And I was like, you think you have a telepathic connection with this guru? And how do you know he's legit? Because you will find zero speeches. Like, he hasn't given a single speech. All the followers that he had was just through healing people directly and really showing them different mystical experiences. And he started with barely like five, six people. And now he has like lacks and lacks of followers in India.
But for him to actually become my guru to the extent where I have like 100% surrender, it's obviously an evolve, evolving journey.
Yeah.
[00:18:35] Speaker A: Well, thank you for sharing that.
That's the power of the guru is they don't have to be incarnated, you don't have to know them. It's non local, non linear.
That's the true power of God. And you only realize that when you surrender to that non local and non linear power.
[00:18:52] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:18:55] Speaker A: Now what do you think it is about needing the teacher in order to realize?
I'll give you my point of view.
[00:19:03] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:19:04] Speaker A: They hold something like something that has been going on since the beginning of time, since Rom. They hold a certain frequency. They hold something that transfers from guru to disciple right through time, almost like a chain link.
And you link up to them and then you're connected to Ram essentially, or whoever, you know.
Do you think it's something akin to that or do you think it's something different?
[00:19:33] Speaker B: Yeah. So in spiritual science, they say when, whether it's a God incarnation that you treat as a guru or it's a deity that becomes a guru for you, they actually begin imprinting on your astral body. And in the incomplete surrender, your astral body might even merge with your astral body.
So when that happens, when they imprint on your astral body, like your astral body is a seat of your emotions, desires, and symbolic archetypal energy.
So that's when like your own desires begin to change, your perception of reality begins to change.
And I wouldn't say I've had those experiences completely, but when I began on my journey with my guruji, like there were certain, you know, belief systems or patterns that I was trying to break since years.
But when I actually started his practices and following them, like some days, it was just like, I'm magically not reacting to certain things that would affect me so much before. And I was like, this is not possible. That this is, you know, coming from me. That is just my self work and stuff. So, like, spiritual science, like explains it that way. They begin imprinting on your astral body. And the word guru itself means like a dispeller of darkness.
And I think this also goes into understanding what spirituality actually is and how tough it is to actually see through the veil of Maya because we're so embroiled in it. And because most people treat spirituality as manifestation or law of attraction, or they just want to achieve things in their material life and, you know, wield and use the spiritual laws to do things, things to achieve what they want for this material life. So there's not even a good understanding of like people knowing, are they after a destination or are they after liberation? If you're just after a destination in this life, then sure, then you don't need a guru. You can use the spiritual laws and get what you want in this material life, because that's just some Your own self effort is you, your destiny. But if you're after liberation, then like only a guru or a teacher can actually show you the light.
[00:22:04] Speaker A: Yeah. So essentially that transmission from the guru, that chain link that I spoke of, is a chain link of transformation and liberation. It's the transformation of liberation, essentially.
And it's like you download a little bit of their freedom by surrendering to that lineage. Right?
[00:22:29] Speaker B: Yeah, surrendering. And also then really making spirituality your whole life. So there are different stages in this. So there's like upasana. Upasana is okay, you are a spiritual person. You have some practices here and there and you believe in God and you know, you read books like you have spiritual practices. But then when you get to the stage of sadhana, you are, you are almost like a tyrant with your spiritual practices. You have very specific times, specific practices, and you read scriptures.
So like at the stage of sadhana, you directly have to also go to the source. You cannot just read any, you know, modern spiritual book and think that that is spirituality. You go go direct to the source, whether it's the Bible or the scriptures.
So then the further you go in these spiritual practices, there are more rules. And rules, as in their formulas, they're not restrictions and they don't even seem like rules to you because you're so devoted to the guru and your identity is then so collapsed that it just comes very naturally to you.
[00:23:39] Speaker A: It's a good way to look at it. I never heard it put that way. They only seem like rules to you or to the ego, but to the soul, they are the formula, they are the way.
[00:23:52] Speaker B: Yeah. And like you naturally, because when you do those spiritual practices, it's almost as if, like, you're spending more time with God.
And like, who doesn't want to spend more time with God? So close.
[00:24:08] Speaker A: The ego.
Yeah, I'll do it later. Yeah, I got things to do.
Yeah, you're very wise.
This is good.
That's the thing too, right? Is there's no half measures.
And I'm not perfect, that's for sure. But I am slowly realizing that there is no half measures on the path to God to becoming a true spiritual aspirant or just not even an aspirin. A true.
I don't know, what do you call it?
[00:24:39] Speaker B: You can call it a sadhak.
[00:24:43] Speaker A: Yeah.
Yeah. So to truly don that in one's life, there is no only on Sunday.
[00:24:53] Speaker B: Yeah. And I also have only realized this around like three, four months back. And I would say I've mainly realized it after properly exploring Eastern spirituality through Eastern scriptures. Because before that, I was looking at. I was like, I am exploring Eastern spirituality, but it was only through Western sources like Rudolph Steiner or Blavatsky.
But it's very different when you actually go straight to the source, because the scriptures just cause, like, some different level of disillusionment and realization and then.
Yeah, yeah.
[00:25:34] Speaker A: And this transmission in the scriptures, too.
[00:25:36] Speaker B: Yeah,
[00:25:39] Speaker A: yeah.
I was gonna ask something. Hold on one second. Give me a second here.
Hold on.
Don't lose my point.
You just said something about. Oh, okay, sorry.
The times that we are in, they enable us to dive into the scriptures. That's miraculous, isn't it? The fact that we can just go on Google right now and have the Upanishads, the Bhagavad, Gita, the Vedas, whatever it is that you want to dive into, we can have that within seconds. Isn't that just. We take it for granted, but isn't that just so miraculous?
[00:26:13] Speaker B: Yeah. And I feel like we think we are going to a scripture, but. But we're not going to a scripture. We have been initiated into it, and that's with any spiritual material. Like, for example, I would listen to Ram Dass. I don't know if you know Ram Dass, but one of the.
Yeah. So like, I used to listen to him three years back, and I would just be like, this all sounds so abstract. Like, this does not sound real.
So, like, I mean, spirituality of that level just sounds so abstract because it is in nature abstract. Our human minds cannot comprehend it, but would not understand it.
And only with the experiences I would say I had last year, that I've begun to, like, understand that consciousness. So if I would read this, scream, the same scripture, like, two years back, I wouldn't understand anything.
[00:27:10] Speaker A: The student is ready. The teacher appears.
[00:27:12] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:27:13] Speaker A: In whatever form it's needed.
[00:27:15] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:27:18] Speaker A: Yeah.
They say we've been doing this for millions of lifetimes. Maybe, you know, most likely, I hope not doing this.
[00:27:28] Speaker B: That's not.
[00:27:29] Speaker A: That's what the Buddha says.
Who knows? Yeah. We've been doing this for a long time. We'll say, yeah, quite potentially. But this one seems very peculiar. If you look at history and the technology that was available throughout history and all the strife that we went through in our previous incarnations, this one seems like the One.
And maybe that's my ego talking. You know, maybe it just a little bias in that regard because I am incarnated in the One right now. But just studying a little bit of where we came from. It seems like this one is unlike any other one that has come before, at least in Kali Yuga.
So I feel there is a sense of urgency to dive into these topics and to dive into myself, essentially, because I don't think we were able or capable of doing so in previous incarnations. It's like. It almost seems like it all led up to this one. You know what I'm getting at?
[00:28:37] Speaker B: I mean, right now, because we're online so much, and we are going through this major collective transformation, there's a lot of talk about, you know, getting these different cosmic energies.
So I think a lot of it is sort of this. We're brainwashed into thinking that over special.
We're born in special times.
But so I'll. So why there is a change in energies is because according to some, like, research that I've done, we might be going through a yoga shift. So we might be getting off the complete descending arc of the yoga cycle, also getting out of Kali yoga and entering the ascending arc.
So we're essentially now slowly spiritualizing out of matter.
And so there's this book called the Yuga Shift by.
And he has really done, like, a great job at reconciling all the misinformation in the yoga doctrine. Like, some people think that yugas, they last for millions of years, but then he has aligned it with the astronomical precession cycle of 25,000 years.
And so it is through his work that he came to the date that 2025 is the end of Kali Yuga and the end of the entire descending arc.
So. And then it's not just his work. Like, even if it's not a yoga end, 2025 in general, is mentioned by a lot of sources. So the gene keys, which is this system by Richard Rudd, which combines astrology, I Ching, and it's like the astrology for shadow work and for the new age. So even he, through his mystical transmissions, he talks about how from 2025 to 2027, we're in this age of metamorphosis. We're going through major transformation.
And then there's also this text known as Bhavishya Malikam, the Sanskrit text, which spoke about 2025 being a really crucial year. And then I know from, like, sources around me, all of these yogis and sages who are not really on the Internet, but, you know, they're meditating and they're getting mystical transmission. So one.
One way to know that Kali yoga is ending is that there would be a birth of Kalki Aptar. I think he's a supposed to be an incarnation of Vishnu. So I mean, they say that has already happened in the astral world. It was, it wasn't supposed to happen in the physical world. So a lot of different sources saying that we're going through this major transformation. And then you just have to look around at the political structures, all the economic structures are like slowly breaking down. We're getting new systems.
So collectively it is a major transformation. Because now we're entering.
We're gonna enter Satya Yoga in a few years. Like we'll go to Dwapara Yoga, Treta Yoga, and we're going through this period of cleansing.
So Vibhu Dev Mishra, he Talks about this 1200 year period of cleansing that we go through the end of Kaliyuga, known as ekpyrosis. So we're going through this entire cleansing. And I think that's why people are feeling like, you know, now this is the time when we decide the fate of humanity. Because what we do now is going to like, determine how the rest of the Yugas actually go.
But I feel like for our personal lives, I mean, you could also say that before we were in Satya Yuga, when, you know, we had the Hindu wisdom, even that was a great time to attain liberation because we were actually like in touch with the spirit worlds, but for some reason we didn't. So, I mean, yeah, I don't really think that way. Like, it's a. It's a crucial time, I think collectively for humanity to fight against certain agendas like transhumanism and like complete, you know, falling into materiality and preserve spiritual wisdom and not let spirituality get tainted. Like, more than this. To actually enter into the rest of the Yuga's. Right. So that when humans incarnate, we have the right wisdom for us to actually attain liberation.
[00:33:06] Speaker A: I like that view.
Is it was always available liberation.
Yeah, Mukti, it was always available.
No matter the technology, no matter the times, no matter the, you know, location. We could say it was always available.
[00:33:24] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:33:25] Speaker A: But at the same time, it's like this one is also very novel too. There's a transformation or a rebirth going on in this lifetime. So, yeah, I guess it's like it doesn't really matter what we have at our disposal in terms of the material world, in terms of the phenomenal world.
Liberation is always available to the incarnation.
But at the same time, there is a story that's going on, the collective story. Right. It's a simultaneousness.
[00:33:54] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:33:55] Speaker A: We can recognize here.
[00:33:57] Speaker B: Yeah. I feel like a part of awakening is also feeling this Greater sense of responsibility towards the world, like, whatever your soul has come here to do in the world. I think Blavatsky said this, like, the more you wake up, the more you actually feel responsible.
So. And these are pretty interesting times to be born in, and especially the next few years.
Like, I don't know if you've heard of various predictions like, there could be a lot of destruction in the next few years. So Mishra, who wrote the Yoga Shift, he basically talks about we're in this period of cleansing. Right. But the next few years are especially this intense period of cleansing where we could have more destructive events. And one of the reasons could be we would pass this stream of comets in the sky, which could cause a lot of destruction. And this was already written in some text that, you know, when the yoga ends, we would pass through this, a stream of comets. And because cleansing means basically, the souls that cannot progress to the next yogas, they will have to die.
And a lot of astrologers also, I think, say the astrology till 2032 is very intense. And when you look at conspiracies, so we're quite unaware as a collective, but when you look at conspiracies, the Illuminati, the deep state, all of their planning is according to these time cycles, these events, and they have all the hidden esoteric wisdom.
So all of their major agendas that they want to push, they have, you know, set the year as 2030, 2032, maybe for the same reason that, you know, this is a time for them to also, you know, ramp up their agendas.
And it's this period of cleansing for us as well.
So. Yeah, I'm not sure what's going to happen in the next few years, but it is a really crucial time.
[00:36:11] Speaker A: It's definitely an interesting time. Yeah, that's for sure.
Yeah.
All right, well, we got six years, everybody.
[00:36:18] Speaker B: Yeah. Let's see.
[00:36:20] Speaker A: We shall see.
But it seems like that's what's going to happen.
Some kind of tumultuous, cataclysmic event. Hopefully not. Hopefully it can be a little bit smoother.
[00:36:34] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:36:34] Speaker A: But it seems like, what else are we gonna have to do at this point? Humanity is lost, Right. I hate to seem cynical or nihilistic, but nobody's aligned to the path for the most part. I mean, slowly and slowly people are waking up, but the majority of human beings, no, they're just living alive, let's be honest.
So it may take a great reset in order for all of us to actually reset the consciousness altogether.
[00:37:00] Speaker B: Yeah. And like When I first got to know this, I was like, I don't know what's gonna happen and like, who's gonna die? Are people gonna die around me? And then I had like a two day, you know, depressive phase and I was like, what's gonna happen in the future? Is the world really not going to be the same?
And then, then that's again a challenge in spirituality when you know, everything is an illusion. Everything is a Maya.
We're not supposed to be attached to even this idea. Nothing truly ever ends. Like it's just gonna dissolve into the infinite. So we like people who are on the spiritual path, especially for the next few years, we have to be at that stage of, you know, complete detachment to also move through such difficult times.
Yeah.
[00:37:55] Speaker A: To be in the world and not of it, essentially.
[00:37:57] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:37:58] Speaker A: Yeah. And that doesn't mean bypassing.
It's actually completely the opposite. As you mentioned before about responsibility, there is a sense of responsibility that I feel and others definitely feel as well to be the stewards of this new world in the midst of the destruction of the old one.
[00:38:20] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:38:21] Speaker A: You know.
Yeah. Because it's like, what else are we going to do at this point?
[00:38:26] Speaker B: Yeah.
We're all just a part of this big intense game and we have to play the game very dutifully and do what our souls are here to do but.
And like go through the motions. I mean, of course it's going to be difficult and we'll.
God knows what emotional breakdowns we'll go through and what will we have to actually see happening around us. But really then the point is realizing that it's all just a game and it gets intense sometimes.
[00:39:02] Speaker A: Sometimes.
[00:39:03] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:39:03] Speaker A: But it's all God's game.
Yeah.
Essentially it's like really at a deep esoteric level is we design this game. It's all, it's all going according to plan. Even though it doesn't really look like it.
[00:39:17] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:39:18] Speaker A: On the news. Right. Or on your tick tock feed. It's all going according to plan.
[00:39:22] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:39:23] Speaker A: It's all divine design.
[00:39:25] Speaker B: Yeah. And it is divine design, but it's also a lot of like our own self effort. Like I used to think there is such a thing as destiny or fate. But then like when I read the scriptures, they actually talk about there is no such thing as divine dispensation. Like whatever the destiny is, it's all your past self effort of your this life and also all of your previous incarnations.
Because you, you don't get your karmas just randomly. Right. We also don't get our collective karmas just randomly. So it's like we then we have so much power that like it's all literally our self effort where, you know, things go.
[00:40:11] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, this is getting into the weeds of free will versus predetermination. Right. That's like the debate that's been going on since the beginning of time.
[00:40:18] Speaker B: And before Eastern spirituality, I thought I had these weird equations in my head. Okay, maybe it's 70% divine will, 30% free will.
But that's the misinformation I feel has gotten into spirituality. Because people either don't listen to the right teachers or like we don't go direct to the source, we don't go to the scriptures because the scriptures clearly mention that it's all self effort. And let's say you're living this life and you have some issues that you're not able to get through. So either that's you just burning your karma due to your past self efforts, or there is this push and pull between your past and present self effort. And if you're not able to get through something, that would just mean you're present self effort is very weak. So the scriptures are actually very stoic at the same time. But it takes time to get to that stoic mindset. But it's really not like God is just, you know, I mean, what is like divine will then?
Like God is just, I don't know, waving his magic wand and being like, I have decided this for you. That's, that's not really true.
[00:41:37] Speaker A: So it's almost like we were predetermined to have free will.
[00:41:42] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:41:45] Speaker A: What's fascinating to me though is because we spoke before about how, you know, the yugas and the 2032 prophecies.
Now if we all have free will, how can there be prophecies in Yukas? You know what I'm getting at? Like if this is all being created as we go, how can anybody possibly predict the future?
[00:42:08] Speaker B: Well, I guess that goes into, into the mystery of like there is really no past, present future at the same time. Like we probably already lived through all the future Yugas and even the next incarnation of Earth. And there are all these different timelines, different possibilities that could happen. And that's why then predictions are so like if you just look at tarot, Tarot can predict up to the next six months and it catches on your current energy.
So if you have a certain energy right now and it makes a prediction on the basis of that, but if your energy changes in the next Two, three months, you can have a completely different outcome.
So I think this is not really about free will, but that there is really no, I mean, past, present and future. And we're in this entire loop and time is not linear.
[00:43:09] Speaker A: Going pretty deep.
[00:43:10] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:43:13] Speaker A: I love how perennial you are. You have an understanding of many different areas. It's cool how you can just like pull from this and, you know, pull from that and have it relate.
That's. That's very wise.
[00:43:24] Speaker B: And I feel like that is not just me, but that's in general the direction of spirituality in the future. Because I think, like they say we are living the age of Sophia or we are living in the age of Shiva. So we're in the third aspect of everything. Like when you look at any, you know, triune godhead which is expressed, we go through different ages. Like we were in the age of Vishnu, the age of Shiva. So like even the. In the Christian gnostic tradition. So we're in the age of Sophia. And these are usually known to be the age of like, synthesis. So we're synthesizing everything. So even if you go to not just spirituality, any field, if you go to health, now the ideal way to go about your health is not just to look at your physical body, you're also supposed to look at your energy body.
And that really wasn't the case in the past.
So I feel like this is a natural direction that humanity is taking and is going to take more and more. Have integrative like medicine and combine spiritual science and science and combine different wisdom traditions so that we can actually get a greater understanding of reality.
[00:44:43] Speaker A: Yeah, that's essentially what the understanding is, is synthesis.
[00:44:47] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:44:48] Speaker A: We're bringing all of these seemingly separate viewpoints and paradigms from different time periods and different cultures and bring it into the one truth, the one understanding of who we really are. That's how I see the times. It's a great synthesis.
[00:45:04] Speaker B: Yeah. And that's also like the gift of intellect, like in the old consciousness that we had. So I mean, our consciousness changes through every yoga. Right. And we did not always have this gift until of intellect. And even Rudolph Steiner speaks of it.
So at certain point when we started developing this intellect, we also got this capacity, capacity to like analyze and bring concepts together.
So I feel like people also, you know, I mean, they're against the intellect, but this is also like the beauty of the intellect and of this age.
[00:45:42] Speaker A: Yeah, Again, wonderful times.
Yeah, interesting times.
Wow.
So it's like essentially we are synthesizing into this new understanding which is really just a realization. It's not really anything new, but it is seemingly a new understanding of what we really are.
And it's just to also, I think, wake up to, as you said, how to take care of ourselves.
This whole time in Kali Yuga, we really never knew how to take care of ourselves. That's what we're synthesizing into, is something that is wise enough to function properly at all parts of our body. Astral, ethereal, physical. I think we're realizing how to actually take care of ourselves and take care of this vessel, to treat the vessel, rather than a prison, as a temple.
That's a huge paradigm shift. Yeah, yeah.
Do you feel, though, that there is something because you. You're in this realm, you do you feel like there's something very needed as a prerequisite to understanding in terms of your physical health? Right. Like, taking care of the body is a huge aspect of being able to get the downloads per se.
[00:47:02] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, if you're asking physical health wise. So since I'm into functional medicine, so I feel like, of course not always going to conventional medicine if you have a health issue.
But that also does not mean completely denying conventional medicine, because sometimes you do need it. But so in functional medicine, what we do is we do root cause analysis. So we get your blood reports and different tests, like gut tests or genetic tests, and again, we synthesize all of it and we get to the root cause of the disease instead of just resolving your symptoms.
But then people also take biohacking way too far because, for example, I had sleep issues around two years back, and I took all the right supplements, and it did help with my sleep. But then the way my sleep has gotten fixed after starting meditation, after starting my spiritual practices like I have, I've just been having the most beautiful sleep of my life.
So, of course, try to work through your physical body on your physical health. But I feel like if you figure out how to work on your physical health spiritually through your spiritual practices, then that just changes the whole game.
And also for very serious diseases, what happens in function medicine, you continuously have to rely on supplements and your lifestyle.
But. And if the disease is not going away, you continuously have to keep consuming those supplements. That means that disease is really stored as your karma inside your body. So when the karma is stored inside the body, it's known as samskaras.
So ideally, you know, find a spiritual health psychic who can maybe try to get to the emotional cause of your disease or if it's related to any past incarnation or Go to energy healer.
So like really try to fix your physical health issues from every, in a as holistic way as possible.
[00:49:19] Speaker A: Well, all in all, it's getting to the root.
[00:49:22] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:49:23] Speaker A: And the, what is the traditional healthcare system? Allopathic. The allopathic way of approaching isn't really getting at the root.
Most times in a general sense, it's just to treat the symptoms. So I think this synthesis of healthiness at all parts of our body is getting to the root of it. And as you described earlier in the conversation, it's not building karma, right?
[00:49:47] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:49:48] Speaker A: At whatever level of your body, whatever body it is, it's. You're not building any more causes to reap the effects.
[00:49:57] Speaker B: Yeah. Because sometimes I think the physical disease can only be resolved when you treat it on an energetic level and you're here to resolve your karmas. So I feel like a lot of people really miss out on that.
[00:50:12] Speaker A: A lot of people are definitely missing out on that. We don't know what we're doing to ourselves. Yeah, that's the malady of the times. We have no clue that we're doing this all to ourselves. Getting back to the free will thing, we are destroying or we have been destroying ourselves. And I think that that's the big switch as we go from this point of inertia. Right. It's almost like a lifestyle of inertia going against the grain. The world's against me, me against the world to actually utilizing the energy for trajectory of growth and freedom and bliss and happiness.
It's a complete 180 shift to everything is against me. I'm in hell to. I'm actually in heaven. And you utilize this, as I said before, as a temple rather than a prison.
Yeah, I feel it. It's like momentum. It's like resistance versus momentum. The spiritual path is momentum. And the world, essentially the old paradigm of the ego, of the material world is resistance.
[00:51:12] Speaker B: And the resistance only really comes from the ego.
Yeah, there's really nothing else. Because then once you resolve the ego and you get to that stage of intuition where you just see everything clearly. Like you see yourself clearly, things around you, you see.
I mean, you're suffering clearly. Like why is it happening?
How to clear your karmas. Everything just. You get that sense of clairvoyance.
And I mean that's also another reason why I started my channel, because I was misguided all this while. There's so much, I mean, crap online around the ego. Some people are like, oh no, you're not supposed to kill your ego. You need your ego to function.
And that is true, that you do need your ego to function, but in the passenger seat, like, not in the driver's seat.
And people have so much resistance around complete surrender. And even I do. Like when I sit and think, can I actually tell God that take whatever you want from me, like anything, like, you can take it from me and I'm going to be fine. I cannot actually say that.
So that's like so much resistance from within. Because I would think that I'm not attached to my identity or I'm not attached to certain things, but I cannot really say it, you know, with my full heart that, like, just take whatever you want. So that's really the point we're all supposed to get to.
[00:52:46] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, at least you have enough humility to admit that, right? To recognize that.
It's interesting, isn't it? It's like we can recognize that now that this is the goal, per se. Complete and utter surrender to God, to the divine.
[00:53:01] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:53:02] Speaker A: But yet still within us there is that stubborn, I don't know, the stubborn monkey mind. I said, well, not today.
[00:53:11] Speaker B: Yeah, it takes time. It's a slow process. But at least as a collective, we should agree on the goal post that this is a goal which is not the state of spirituality online. Like, yeah, there is. There is no agreement on the fact that we're supposed to surrender the ego, which is absurd. Like, how did we get to this point? How did spirituality get so corrupted that now people will focus more on manifestation than renunciation?
[00:53:45] Speaker A: That's the difference between, you know, working with the dark or working with the light. What kind of magic are you working with? You know, are you working with the dark forces or the light forces? Because it's the same kind of like, it's intention. So it's like, where does that intention come from? What are you using this energy for? Using it for yourself or you're using it for the greater good? Using it for the love of God.
That's the essence of it. And on your point of surrendering the ego, I think that's a better way of saying ego death, because ego death implies you just. It's like a premature death, literally. Right. It's almost like there is no. There is no more ego, which is what a lot of people say, you know, it's a buzzword to. To get rid of it. But it's not necessarily getting rid of it, it's integrating it. I think, as you said, it's surrendering the ego and doesn't mean it disappears, but its Intentions disappear.
[00:54:33] Speaker B: I like to say more like ego disillusion, because I don't also understand the concept of integrating it. Like, what does it mean, integrating it?
[00:54:44] Speaker A: So well, I would say integrating is like, we're still using our egos now. I'm playing Gary, you're playing Priyanka. Isn't that a utilization of the ego?
You know what I mean? But we're using it in a different way than you would say before we had any kind of realization or understanding of what, you know, being spiritual meant or surrender meant. You know, like, I could easily come on here and talk about sports and Game of Thrones and talk to onlyfans models or something. You know, like something very degenerate. But instead, I'm coming on here using the suit of Gary to help myself by having these conversations, but ideally also helping others along. So I think that's a different. I mean, that's how I would describe it, at least.
[00:55:26] Speaker B: It's like integrating it and then dissolving it, maybe.
[00:55:31] Speaker A: I think it's the same thing.
Yeah.
[00:55:36] Speaker B: Yeah. I think, like, in my head, when you completely dissolve it, that you don't even know that you have a suit on, because you literally just identify as the infinite consciousness. Because that's the stage that I see, like the sages are at.
They will say things because even, like, you would notice when you're really in the moment, you become timeless. You even forget that you've said something or you've done something.
There is literally no identity. So that's what I see as, like, the complete dissolution of the ego.
[00:56:18] Speaker A: I know you're saying maybe it's like a work in progress. You kind of ease into it.
[00:56:22] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:56:22] Speaker A: You know, you fade into that. And then you forget about the suit. Right.
[00:56:26] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:56:27] Speaker A: It's not like some people. It might be, but it's not just like, all of a sudden you snap your fingers and you forget you exist, but you exist to other people. It's this slow fading in the slow. Dissolution. Dissolution is a good word because dissolution doesn't imply like a. Like a flash.
[00:56:42] Speaker B: It's a. Yeah.
[00:56:43] Speaker A: You slowly bleed in to the divine,
[00:56:46] Speaker B: into God, until one day it actually becomes. You reach that stage where it becomes quick, like within a moment, and you're just gone.
And, like, I've seen that happen.
So. Yeah. Until it's like a slow process, and then it's like a supernova. Like, you just have this. This reaction inside you and you achieve complete surrender.
[00:57:11] Speaker A: Yeah, I feel that. That's kind of a joke. It's kind of funny. In that regard. Yeah.
[00:57:17] Speaker B: Yeah.
And I think the Gene Keys does a great job at actually describing how the siddhic states come into being. Because the Gene Keys. I mean, all the siddhic states, it's like you're trying. You're trying, you know, you're trying to dissolve the ego your whole life, and then one day something happens. Like, you're there and then it dissolves. And you don't even realize that it happens because usually people who achieve siddhic states, they don't even realize that they have achieved the siddhic states because they're so empty. Like, they're literally like the void from within.
[00:57:55] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:57:55] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:57:56] Speaker A: Because there is no one to achieve.
[00:57:58] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:57:59] Speaker A: Mistakes.
Yeah. That's so funny, isn't it? It's like, yeah, I'm trying to get to this stage in this level. And here, this is. I did this and had this accolade, you know, this kind of understanding about myself.
[00:58:10] Speaker B: When you get there, you don't even realize.
[00:58:13] Speaker A: Yeah. And it's like, what? Yeah, that's the joke.
Shiva is a comedian.
[00:58:21] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:58:25] Speaker A: This is a good talk, Priyanka.
[00:58:27] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:58:27] Speaker A: You're very wise. You deserve a lot more followers, that's for sure.
[00:58:31] Speaker B: Yeah, I've just started off.
No. No attachment. Wherever God wants to take it, it's
[00:58:39] Speaker A: the way to be.
[00:58:40] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:58:40] Speaker A: Here and now this is where God wants to take you. Right in front of me.
Who knows what the future holds?
Wow. You know what, though? I think that's a really good note to wrap up that. Because it's like, what do we have to talk about? You know, we kind of realize the joke of this whole thing. We could go on and on. But I think that's a good note to wrap up that. But do you have anything else you want to say before we stop recording?
[00:59:01] Speaker B: No, nothing else.
I mean, wonderful. I could say a lot. But then.
[00:59:07] Speaker A: Yeah, that's the joke in the irony too, is we could say is we can go on and on, right?
[00:59:13] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:59:13] Speaker A: But at the end of the day, what is there left to say? Yeah, there's not much to say. We're all just playing this game, right? Until.
Until the point. The eschaton, the internal eschaton and external.
But yeah, Priyanka, this was awesome.
Went by like this.
[00:59:31] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:59:32] Speaker A: I don't have anything else to say. Keep up the awesome work. Seriously. Keep on keeping on.
[00:59:36] Speaker B: Thank you so much.
[00:59:38] Speaker A: No problem.
Peace and love to you.
Peace and love, everybody.
