Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Well, first of all, Luis, thank you for joining me today.
[00:00:04] Speaker B: Thanks for inviting me back.
[00:00:06] Speaker A: For sure.
So, yeah, we already had a talk. I already kind of know what you do, but for anybody that's new here joining us, would you be able to give us a little bit about who you are and what you do? Exactly, yeah.
[00:00:23] Speaker B: My name is Louise K. And I share a teaching that I call Embodied Awareness.
And there's two aspects to this teaching.
The awareness aspect is an invitation to recognize your true nature, which is to open to a dimension of beingness that's deeper than thought, that's deeper than the conceptual self, the idea that we have of me and who I am, which comprises all our conditionings and our belief systems, and to access this deeper dimension, which is pure consciousness, which is the essence of all life, and that is a unified field. It's just one to access a peace, because the nature of it, the nature of us, is peace.
And the second aspect is embodiment, embodied awareness. It's to bring that understanding into the physical form and into our daily life so that we are living in alignment with a higher truth, as opposed to living through an automatic unconscious mechanism of the ego, which. Which creates suffering and drama.
[00:01:53] Speaker A: It's living a lie.
[00:01:55] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly.
[00:01:57] Speaker A: The difference between living a lie and living in truth.
[00:02:01] Speaker B: Yes. So it's an invitation to live in truth and to ultimately bring an end to suffering and live a fulfilled, joyful life.
[00:02:14] Speaker A: Beautiful.
So how do we go about seeing this way? You know, how does it start? Would you be able to maybe guide us along?
[00:02:25] Speaker B: Yeah, I can give guidance right now. I can invite whoever is listening to open to this dimension right now because it's actually accessible to everybody. And you don't need any priority studying. You don't need any prior skills.
It's actually quite simple.
And it's actually only ever accessible in the now. So you don't need to practice to get this in the future sometime. It's only ever here now. And so if you bring your attention fully present into this moment, and just start by noticing that in this moment your body's breathing, and then let your attention become one with the movement of the breath.
So.
And some people find it easier to close their eyes, especially at first, if they haven't practice this, because that shuts off the whole spectrum of sight and a lot of information. Excuse me, that we're perceiving through the eyes.
There's one less distraction here, so you can close your eyes if you're listening along and following this, if it feels easier to you and Then just become warm with your body as it breathes. Notice how the chest expands and relaxes with each breath.
You might notice that your body just starts to relax a little bit more as you become more present.
And you might start to feel the abdomen also expanding as you inhale and relaxing as you exhale.
There's nothing you need to do.
Just be aware of this phenomena that you're experiencing. A body, this breathing in this moment.
You'll notice that you're not doing anything to make the body breathe.
It's actually another intelligence that knows how to breathe all by itself. So you're just here witnessing the phenomena so you can see how it is to totally let go of effort and just be here aware as you observe the body breathing.
And then notice that you can feel the sensation where your feet are touching the ground and you can feel the sensation where your body's touching the chair.
And as we include more of these experiences are present in the now we become more fully here, now more fully present with what is.
And with each breath, feel your attention gently dropping deeper into the body.
And you might notice that there is a sense of aliveness in the body, like tingling or feeling of energy.
There's no right or wrong. Whatever you feel or don't feel, it's okay. We're just noticing what's here.
And thoughts might appear, but you'll see that you're not doing the thinking.
They're just appearing by themselves and then they disappear by themselves.
And you're here, aware before each thought appears.
You witness the appearance of the thought and then you're here after the thought is gone.
Similarly, you experience the sound of my voice appearing as an experience to you in this moment.
Or maybe the sound of traffic outside or the sound of birds.
The sounds like the thoughts appear, they're witnessed and then they disappear.
But there's something here that never disappears.
There's something here that's always here, just aware.
And that's you. Pure awareness or pure consciousness.
[00:08:37] Speaker A: Wonderful.
Okay, my apologies for putting you on the spot too, but I think that was great.
[00:08:44] Speaker B: Oh, it's okay. This is what I do, so I'm used to it.
[00:08:49] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. This is beautiful. I'm glad we started off like that.
And yeah, I feel amazing now. Thank you.
Okay, let me take a sip of tea here. Come back.
Come back into podcast mode.
Something that never disappears. I like that. And that's you?
[00:09:14] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:09:14] Speaker A: It's that simple?
[00:09:16] Speaker B: Yeah, so simple that often it's even overlooked. And it's just a simple shift in the focus of our attention. Where there's. When we identify with either the body and feel like the body is like who I am, it's what I am.
Or we identify with a thought or a story, any concept, then we start to perceive the experience of the moment through a filter.
And it's a filter of separation because that me is an individual. Separate me.
And when you know how to shift the focus of your attention by disidentifying from the thoughts, from the mind, from the body, there's a sense of connectedness, a sense of wholeness, a sense of oneness.
And a lot of people have this kind of magical thinking that it's something really exotic or special and then unrare. And when I get that, there's gonna be like, fireworks, there's gonna be super bliss, there's gonna be all this big moment.
And that expectation actually creates a barrier to the recognition of it because it's something much more simple. It's very simple, peaceful stillness.
When there's an opening to it, there is a deepening into it.
And people sometimes do experience peak spiritual moments like ecstasy, bliss.
But ultimately they're also just experiences. They're experienced, they come and then they go.
So this is not about chasing any experience or trying to get an experience.
Nor is it about resisting any experience or trying to push away an experience.
It's about transcending experience so that we open to the dimension. That's formlessness, that's beyond the polarities of good and bad, of spiritual or not spiritual.
And most people are stuck in this dualistic perspective, striving to get more of the positive and fighting to push away the negative.
And that's really one of the main causes of suffering. So when you can totally and completely surrender to what is and give up all agendas, give up efforts, and just drop deeply into the now. Peace is here,
[00:12:13] Speaker A: Always, always here.
Now, is that also.
First of all, I think you adequately described the middle Way. That was very, very well described.
And would you say that is where the embodiment comes in then? So once one does drop into this sense of peace, the stillness, you know, form a relationship, maybe with it, we could say, become it.
Then the second half of the path is to.
Well, maybe you can describe that. What is this embodiment all about? You know, how does it look like in one's life?
[00:12:59] Speaker B: Well, these physical forms hold a lot of contractions from our past experiences.
And when we open, open to this deeper dimension, what happens is all. All the contractions, all the unprocessed emotions and energies that are Held in the body rise up to the surface so that they can be processed and integrated.
And this is one of the paradoxes of the teaching that, yes, it's only available here now, but simultaneously, when you live in the now, over time, a process of integration and transformation takes place on the level of form.
So that includes the physical body and the energetic body coming more back into balance, into its natural state. And it's not always a comfortable process.
We have to surrender to and allow the body to feel everything that it hasn't had permission to feel, all the upsets that we shove down. And most people are living their life actually in a state of running, Trying to run away from uncomfortable feelings, trying to distract themselves from uncomfortable feelings, with the mindset that if. If I can distract myself or focus on something else, I can find happiness there in that experience, in that relationship, in that whatever, when I achieve that thing in the future.
But what I found is that there is no way around this discomfort. The only way is to go through it, to. To let the body feel it.
And as it feels it, those energies, those emotions are processed and they release layer by layer by layer.
And some people have more in the body to process than others.
That's okay.
Another aspect of it is the layers of the conditioned belief systems that we were programmed with in our early life.
Because we come into this world like a blank slate, and then the children are just like sponges. And then they're fed with conditionings and beliefs, depending on the environment, the culture, the society that they grow up in.
And those beliefs go into the unconscious mind, and they affect our behaviors and the way that we relate.
So when we open to this universal intelligence of this unified field, it draws out of the unconscious mind into the conscious mind these limiting and false beliefs and conditionings so that they're seen in the light of consciousness, and then they fall away.
And the result is that there is a change that happens in the way that we express ourselves in the world because we're not controlled by those beliefs anymore.
[00:16:31] Speaker A: Well spoken.
Now, would you say there is a commonality in that change that we can all relate to in some way? I know we all have our own path. We all have our own stuff that we have to deal with. But would you say there is, like, a general way that we can describe how we're all changing when we do access this unified field?
[00:16:54] Speaker B: I think there's some commonalities. Obviously, everybody has their own unique path, and life will bring whatever each person needs, needs personally, to expand, to become more conscious.
But I Think the core unconscious beliefs that most people experience is I'm not lovable or some version of that. Like I'm not enough.
And a lot of human behavior is an unconscious expression of that core belief.
It's an effort to be seen, to get attention, to get love, to get affirmation that I am enough.
You just need to open Instagram to see infinite examples of that.
[00:18:01] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:18:04] Speaker B: And also the feeling that we want to feel safe.
And there's a way the mind tries to grasp onto constructs, belief systems, to feel a fabricated sense of safety. Like, okay, if I'm in this marriage, if I'm in this family, that's my, my safe place. If I'm in this religion, I feel safe.
If I have this dogmatic beliefs, I know what the world's about, I understand the world.
And with this opening to higher consciousness, that whole framework usually collapses.
And a lot of people go through this experience of, I don't know anything anymore, I don't know who I am, who am I? I don't know what the world is. It's a mystery now.
And often there's an experience, a freak out in that moment, or a feeling of not feeling safe, but actually that's coming closer to the truth of the unknown, of the great divine mystery.
And in that moment, what's required is to surrender fully to it. Let everything fall away, let everything you thought yourself to be and just surrender fully into the unknown and allow it to consume you, to fully dissolve that egoic sense of a separate me.
And most people experience when they embody these teachings, just more peace and joy in their life, more satisfaction just through being in the present moment, noticing the simple things like the color of a flower or the rays of sunlight just shining through the window. And there's a sense of fulfillment as opposed to a sense of underlying agitation or not enough and running. How am I going to fill up this emptiness inside?
Well, the answer is to surrender to that emptiness, Surrender fully into it, and then you become one with it. And then it's not emptiness, it's fulfillment.
[00:20:43] Speaker A: Yes.
Very powerful.
Wow.
And I would say one of the biggest takeaways from the surrender is how we relate to each other.
[00:20:56] Speaker B: Absolutely right. Yeah.
[00:21:00] Speaker A: That might actually be the biggest takeaway from it.
[00:21:02] Speaker B: Yes.
If we recognize that you, you are me in another physical form and I'm relating with myself, I'm looking back at myself. Well, there's no way that I want to kill you anymore. There's no way I want to hurt you. I just want to see how, how gently Can I meet you? How, how much with how much compassion and love can we enjoy this moment together?
So this understanding is probably the, in my opinion, most under, most important understanding for humans to have in order for us to create a better society, a better world together.
[00:21:44] Speaker A: Amen.
Yeah. It really is the truth.
And once one sees it that way too, there's no going back.
Once you see you, yourself and others, it's like a red pill that you can't unswallow.
[00:22:06] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:22:07] Speaker A: Yeah.
And everything changes. It's like nothing changes, but everything changes at the same time. And how you relate to the world and you relate to others and. Yeah. Fulfillment, safety, bliss, peace, love. There's many different attributes to this vantage point, but yeah, would you say.
[00:22:31] Speaker B: Sorry, go ahead.
[00:22:32] Speaker A: If you have something, would you say that there is this Bodhisattva ideal? You know, once you, once you realize, once you kind of get in on the joke, you just naturally try to bring others along.
You know, there is this sense of, like, servitude that comes along with this mindset.
[00:23:00] Speaker B: I. I don't know. There, there's the phenomena, what in the east they call the hidden yogi. And it means people that recognize their true nature and then they just continue with their mundane everyday life. Like maybe they working as a cook in a monastery with all the monks that are meditating every single day. And the cook experiences awakening to his true self, and then he just continues being a cook. And it's not necessary for everyone to take on this role that I'm doing, like sharing the teachings with others.
It's enough just to embody it and live it. And some people, maybe their path is to be a gardener and spend time nurturing the flowers and the trees, and that's their part to play in this big jigsaw puzzle. And we need every single part.
Like, if everybody on planet Earth were to awaken and all decided, now I have to share this with everyone else, then we wouldn't have any doctors, we wouldn't have any scientists. It would be a disaster. So everybody has to follow their path and what feels true for them.
And there's an impact, a ripple effect that happens just by your energy, when you're living in presence, when you're being. And it's not even necessary to share the teachings with other people.
It's more like just moment to moment, living in this harmonious flow.
[00:24:49] Speaker A: Yeah. Mm, yeah. Maybe I sounded a little too grandiose there, but I would say, I would agree with you and say that however one does their thing in the Jigsaw, I would say it still enhances one's path. Right. There is empowerment that comes along with this surrender. So even if somebody is a cook, a gardener, a mechanic or whatever, I would say there's still a different flavor. Right.
Even if.
Even if they don't talk about any kind of Dharma, they don't talk like we're talking now.
I still think no matter what, and I don't know, this is just my personal inclination. I still think no matter what.
There is.
Yeah. Power that comes from this, power from surrender. Another paradox.
So, yeah. Would you say. So, like, even if, let's say hypothetically, everybody did wake up tomorrow and they still assume their roles, wouldn't the roles be possibly better, A better use in their role? Right. You know what I'm getting out here.
[00:26:11] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely.
I think, first of all, a lot of people would have a change of career because there's many people that are.
[00:26:18] Speaker A: Yeah. That's for sure.
[00:26:20] Speaker B: Their role for the wrong reason. Like, it's to feel, oh, I have worth, because I'm a lawyer or I'm a doctor, so I'm subtly feel like I am something.
And there's that sense of self comes from that role. And it's not actually their true excitement, and so it doesn't really fulfill them. So they probably have a career shift and then discover what their true excitement is, the true alignment, and do that. And just that shift would drink about a, A, a massive shift in our society because people would be happy because they're doing something. Not for money, not for status, not to impress other people or get love, but just because they purely enjoy that thing. So there'd be a lot more happiness.
Like you said, there's a difference between doing any task unconsciously or consciously. It's like.
It's like your presence infuses whatever you're doing.
[00:27:24] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:27:25] Speaker B: So you become more effective.
[00:27:31] Speaker A: Yeah. In all facets of our life.
Like, not even just in terms of our career.
Everything is more effective. Everything has this essence that is just invigorating, I guess, is another word.
It's.
It's difficult to explain, that's for sure. But it does relate to higher intelligence, intuition, flow, as you said.
And, yeah, the world will definitely change. I mean, that's kind of the thread that I'm on here. It's like, well, obviously something's going on in the world where we're all waking up slowly but surely people are getting the message. So it's like, where are we really going? How is this going to look on a physical Level. Right. This collective embodiment with humanity, even if it's not all of us. I know that might seem a little unrealistic. All of us, but there's a vast majority of us right now going through this transformation. This transformation.
[00:28:35] Speaker B: I don't think it's the majority, unfortunately. I wish it was.
[00:28:40] Speaker A: You're right. Okay, well, a great number, yeah. Great number, yeah. Not the majority, that's for sure. But more than we'll say the past. Right. There's more people on this wavelength than we'll say in the previous decades.
And to me, I'm like, okay, so where is this, what is this gonna look like?
How is the Earth gonna change? How are we all gonna treat each other differently?
And I guess it's difficult to describe, it's difficult to picture, but I think it really has to do with cooperation. We're all going to get along here, and in that cooperation, we do what we're supposed to do. I believe we all have like some kind of imprint or some kind of blueprint of why we were born.
And you'll do what you need to do and be happy doing it. It's really that simple, you know?
And then maybe someday everyone will be on this wavelength. I don't know. Right. That's a big question. I don't even know if that's like a.
Is that a. I don't know. Is that a useful question?
Are we all going to wake up someday?
Does it matter?
[00:30:00] Speaker B: The truth is, I don't know. I don't know. Maybe humanity, we will just like self destruct and we'll create all this technology and AI and robots, and our spiritual evolution won't keep up with our intellectual evolution. So we could easily self destruct. And that's also okay.
There's a greater intelligence and the universe is doing whatever needs to be done. So also, I don't know if it'd be the best thing for us if we all just experience peace and bliss and no challenges. Because the challenges, actually, it's like, in a way, it's the fun part. If you imagine it like you're watching a movie, let's say the movie is this scenario of the future Earth. Everybody's enlightened and they're just like sitting on the beach in the parks, just drinking the coconuts, loving each other.
It's much more interesting when there's a character and they've got this huge challenge and then they overcome it. They experience growth, they have seeings, their limiting beliefs fall away, and then they experience the satisfaction of the Transformation.
It's kind of like that's what it's all about here on Earth. That's like. That seems like what we incarnate for. Because if there is this idealistic, like, perfect heaven, then that's what we experienced before our incarnation. So why would we incarnate?
[00:31:57] Speaker A: That's interesting. Yeah.
[00:32:00] Speaker B: So I prefer just let. It's like a game. And let's just enjoy the game. Let's enjoy the play.
Like, if you imagine, like, you're in an actual play and you're a character or you're in a movie and you have a character, some people are the goodies, some are the baddies. So everyone has their role.
Most people, it's like they've forgotten that they're the actor.
[00:32:30] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:32:30] Speaker B: Like, let. Let's say you're. You're Jim Carrey playing in the mask. Then it's like, if Jim Carrey would forget his Jim Carrey, and he's like, I am the mask or any movie. And then when you awaken, it's like, you remember, oh, I'm just acting. I'm just playing this role in this play, and everybody's got a part, and we're just having fun acting out this play.
Then you can just enjoy much more. It's not so heavy and serious.
And you know that when the play is over, I know who I am.
That's me.
[00:33:12] Speaker A: Mm.
Yeah. That's such a good point.
It's like, that's what we came here for, is this.
This very tumultuous realm, this realm that is very thrilling on Earth. It seems like it's a Special forces training school. Right. It seems like the school of hard knocks.
And we came to learn how to play with the.
The chaos.
Right. In some way, it's like, how do you play with the.
The. The lunacy? How can you laugh at it a little bit? Laugh at yourself, too. That's the thing. And take it a little bit less seriously.
I think that's the flavor that comes along with this, is like, how do you.
How do I.
How do I enjoy it? Right?
Well, you enjoy it by taking it less seriously. I think ultimately, it's like you see the ludicracy of it, all of the play. You do see through the play, right? You see. You peek behind the curtain. You see Oz.
That's really when you can start to enjoy it.
Right. Take it less seriously. Because as we said before, no matter what happens in the play, we're safe.
That's the giant miracle that we all realize, no matter what happens and that's kind of how I see the martyrs of the past, especially Jesus. They showed us. It's like, dude, nail me up on the cross.
You know, Socrates, he ate the hemlock. He's like, yeah, whatever, it's just a play.
So I'm not saying that's going to happen to all of us, but in some way there is this, like, essence of.
What is the word? Like, like fortitude. There is this essence of invulnerability that comes along with being able to realize the play.
And, yeah, I think that's, as you said, why we incarnated here. I think it really is for enjoyment.
The Buddhists may say something different where it's like, life is suffering, but I think it's like, How do you transmutate that suffering? How do you see it differently?
[00:35:30] Speaker B: Yeah, it's another of those paradoxes.
Like, everything's perfect and everything's okay and we can enjoy it, but at the same time, we have to acknowledge on the level of form, there's immense amounts of suffering happening. Like, people are going through really, really suffering that most of us in the west have. Have the luxury of exploring these teachings. Like, we can't even imagine people that are just fighting for their life, fighting for food, for water.
And it's important that we don't use these teachings, like, to.
Bypass also the stark reality of that suffering. And it's really a paradox, like, everything's totally okay, but also, no, this is not okay that this is happening.
And often it's painful to see other people suffering so much.
And it's great that we can do what we can to ease the suffering of each other.
And many times we have to surrender to that pain and just let our heart break open when it feels the sadness that, oh, wow, my fellow human beings are experiencing pain, it hurts. And we can acknowledge that this is part of the human experience.
It's only if we fight it or try to resist it that then we join in the suffering.
But if there's, like, pain that arises, sadness that arises, if we can surrender to it, be compassionate with it, then we don't join in the suffering.
And some people fall into this trap of suffering because other people are suffering. Like, I can't be happy because there's so much suffering, but then you become a part of the suffering. Doesn't help.
[00:37:40] Speaker A: Yeah, very well spoken.
Weighing the paradox. That's really what this is all about.
Weighing these seemingly very different poles of our being, of our reality.
That's the integration. That's the embodiment.
It's interesting though, too, right? Because we said it's all good.
You're completely safe. We're all safe. At the end of the day, this is just a play.
But yet in the embodiment, we still, you know, recognizing the suffering, we don't.
We don't completely ignore it because everything is okay. There is still that inclination to do better.
And that's what gets me. It's like, still I could realize, like, this is. This is all Maya. It's all an illusion. It's all temporary, but. But yet still in this dream, in the dream field, I want to make it a better dream. And I think that's something we can all relate to in all of our own way, in all of our own part. In the. In the jigsaw. Is that what you called it before was like a jigsaw or something?
[00:38:48] Speaker B: Jigsaw puzzle.
[00:38:49] Speaker A: The jigsaw puzzle, yeah. In the jigsaw puzzle of God, we still want to make it.
Make it better, right? It's like, that's what's interesting to me is that there is this.
Maybe not exactly a causation from realization, but there's a correlation between realization, a certain amount of insight and understanding about oneself, and then wanting to help out a little bit, you know, doing your best, empowerment, as I said before, that's what's very interesting. It's like, because one would think that doesn't know any better, right? That you take a nihilistic approach, right?
But it's not like that actually. Like, it's quite the opposite. It's like you want to bring meaning into the dream, right? You want to. Not even want to. It just naturally happens. There is this natural flow of meaning that comes into one's life. And that meaning, to me at least, alludes to.
Just alludes to love, man. Honestly, I'm just going to say it. It just becomes like you just become this loving person naturally. And all of the goings on of our life. That's what I feel.
Very naturally, right? Why do we choose that? Why do we choose love rather than, you know, once we realize it's a dream, why do I.
This might just be me. I could just be naive, but I see it in other people as well. It's like, why do I. Rather than becoming this ravenous hedonist, creating chaos, knowing that this is all.
This is all some kind of illusion, instead of that and pursuing, you know, my own wants, my own humanly wants, I sort of sacrifice that for the greater good in some way and not in like a grandiose Way, just like in the day to day, you know, like I might give $5 to the homeless guy. I might, I don't know, just be there for somebody, listen to somebody that needs it.
Why do. Why? I don't. This might be a hard question to ask, but I'm going to ask anyway. Why do you think we follow that wavelength of, of making this a better place?
Do you, do you notice that, like, do you feel that there is a correlation of insight and then helping out?
[00:41:16] Speaker B: Well, it seems to me like the awakening that happens happens on three levels. It happens on the level of the mind where we disidentify from the conceptual, separate individual me.
And on the level of the body, we disidentify from the form. And that's where a lot of emotional and energetic transmutation happens.
And also in the heart, there's an awakening of the heart as higher consciousness infiltrates the form.
And when the heart awakens, it opens. And what flows through is unconditional love. That's the nature of the divine and the nature of God. The nature of consciousness is the nature, our true nature.
And on the level of form, on the level of the character, we still experience desires.
Now it's not that the desires are bad, it's not that they go away, but so some people get confused and they think that desires are not spiritual and I have to get rid of my desires.
But that's not true. What causes suffering is identification with desire. And when there's not identification with it, we can still take action on our preference.
So what, what do you prefer to eat a cracker for your dinner or eat a big nourishing meal? Of course we prefer the nourishing meal. Do you prefer to live in a cardboard box on the street or do you prefer to live in a comfortable home? I prefer a comfortable home. You still have these preferences.
So do you prefer to live in a war ridden, disease ridden, poverty society or do you prefer to live in a thriving environment where there is abundance? Yeah, I prefer that where there is peace.
So we move in the direction of our preferences.
But there is not the projection that when I get that then I'll be happy, when that I need that to be happy. I'm already happy, I'm already at peace. And this is my preference. So I take action on it.
[00:43:58] Speaker A: Yeah, unconditionality.
[00:44:01] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And if it doesn't manifest that way, then it doesn't disturb my peace. And so because my peace isn't derived from external circumstances, it's derived from within my own being.
[00:44:18] Speaker A: And Then thus we don't disturb anybody else's peace, ideally.
Mm hmm.
It's good stuff.
Yeah, that's one that's hard to swallow. And one that doesn't make sense logically is that our true nature is unconditional love.
And I mean, we've all heard that before.
We've heard that plenty from the hippies in the 60s, but it really is the truth.
What we are is unconditional love at our deeper, deeper sense, at the deepest sense that you could possibly imagine. We're all incarnations of unconditional love.
That living with that one that's so powerful like that is the insight of insights. And it's more than just like an intellectual, logical, rational understanding. It's not like that. It's as you said, opening up to the heart intelligence.
How would you say we tap into the heart intelligence? You know, because that is a very, very important step.
That is the step of step. So what do you, what do we have to do? I know that might not be a good way to phrase it, but how does one open their heart?
[00:45:47] Speaker B: Well, if you surrender fully into the now, it happens as a side effect.
So it's actually the opposite of doing non doing. If you open to being and just abide as pure awareness, then.
That is a natural consequence. But there are also practices that we can do to support the opening of the heart. Like there's this really nice practice they have in India called kirtan and it's devotional singing.
So it's.
They chant and sing to the divine, Sing celebration, sing love. And there's some power in that.
The music and the intention supports our heart to open.
We can practice consciously practicing living in gratitude. Just taking a moment to first maybe might start with thought, thinking about what am I grateful for?
Well, I'm breathing, I'm alive, I have a comfortable bed. There's so much that we can be grateful for, really.
And then feeling that feeling of gratitude, it's not enough just to think it, but really feeling entrains the body to kind of attune with that vibration, for lack of a better word of gratitude. And that the heart feels that and it opens up.
And also just noticing how we relate with our experience in the moment. Like let's say the system gets triggered and some old painful emotion gets triggered, rather than making it wrong, just being gentle and curious with it. What is this feeling? Oh, it's like a feeling of sadness or feeling of not feeling safe.
How gently can I meet that? How lovingly can I allow it to be consciously Felt and to just be with it, holding it in love. And this inner nurturing can then start to overflow in the way that we relate with others.
Then it's similar. We can be more compassionate, more gentle, more loving with others.
[00:48:41] Speaker A: Yeah, curiosity. I like that.
Can you just be curious without attaching any kind of, like, label?
Without resisting, without yearning? Just be curious, kind of like a kid.
Kids are curious.
[00:49:01] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:49:01] Speaker A: I think it's synonymous with loving, curiosity and compassion.
They go hand in hand.
I mean, just simply when I.
This is personally speaking, but I feel as though how to love somebody is to be curious about them in some way.
Right. It's like, who are you, man? You know, I want to get to know you a little bit. There's something about curiosity. Not even other people like yourself. As you said, be curious about what's going on in your own body, in your own mind.
That opens up a lot of doors, for sure.
Would you say somatic practices are also useful in that realm? Because I've been exploring that a lot recently, and I've had some very powerful heart openings that are just undeniable.
Now would you say, like, actually nurturing the body, doing things to, like, you know, actually physically get the energy going is important in that regard?
[00:50:10] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. That would come into the embodiment part of the teaching. So somatic. Somatically, feeling allows for a lot of energies to release.
And then there's all other kinds of therapies that we're just spoiled for choice now. And I think everyone can find, like, which one works best for them. Whether it's massage or.
I don't know. There's just so many things out there that help the energies move, help the physical body.
And it's wonderful.
[00:50:48] Speaker A: My favorite yoga.
[00:50:50] Speaker B: Oh, yes,
[00:50:53] Speaker A: regular yoga. That's.
That's like my maintenance.
Yeah. I credit doing, you know, asana hatha yoga as.
As a huge aid in what we're talking about now. Honestly, insight, realization, understanding Yoga has allowed me to move stuff through the body that I don't think I would be able to do without it, or at least as quickly as effectively.
Yeah.
The only reason I'm asking is because, you know, you said, and I recognize this as well, it's so simple, you know, just be here now and that unconditional love will flow through, the heart will open. And that sounds good on paper, but a lot of us have obstacles, and I think it's bodily obstacles, stuff that we just hold in the unconscious mind, hold in our body that it doesn't exactly allow us to feel to see the simplicity of that, you know.
So, yeah, I think part of the path is like getting. Getting the kinks out of the body in some way.
That's what I'm coming to realize. We got to work with the body a little bit, and then thus we can effectively meditate, effectively come into the moment and see the miracle that it is and feel the love, essentially.
You know, it's like.
I don't know. I feel like the body is so important. A lot of us are very unhealthy. I'm just gonna be straight up. I think there needs to be, like, a sense of healthy, healthy habits to be able to resonate at this, you know. Do you think health and food and physical exercise is important in one's path?
Or would you say that's maybe not as important?
[00:52:49] Speaker B: No, I agree with you. That is very important. And I think that's one of the ways that these teachings are changing with Western influence.
These teachings originated in the east, and the teaching was, well, I'm not the body and not the mind.
None of that really matters.
But for me, that's step one in the understanding, and step two in the understanding is I'm also the body and I'm also the form having this experience. And when we can allow our understanding to express through the form, then the form is part of the divinity. And it's important that we nurture it. And there's consequences. Like, it doesn't matter how deeply awakened you are.
If you don't do exercise and you eat like, junk food every single day, your physical body is going to experience the consequences of that.
So we have to be good caretakers of our body, and it has an impact on our experience of physical life. Like, you get good sleep, you get your vitamins, you get fresh air, and you just feel so much better on the physical level. So it's important as well.
[00:54:19] Speaker A: Yeah, they go hand in hand.
The realization between form and formless, it's like, you know, like taking care of your body allows the.
Allows the insight to flow through better, you can say. And then I feel as though the insight allows one to know what's good for them. Their body in the embodiment. Right? So it's a play, it's a dance that I feel the path is. It's a dance between those, again, two polar opposites of our being.
How would you say?
Let me rephrase this.
How important is it, would you say, to have a community or a teacher that you can rely on? Because I feel in my path, being able to sit down with people like you. To do this has been the most effective part of my sadhana in terms of realization, insight, understanding.
To just simply talk to somebody that maybe is a little bit further along the path. We could say that has a little more insight than me, has done so much. You know, this is like such a miracle that I can do this, but everybody can do this. Honestly, in the times that we live in, you can find people that you resonate with.
So would you say that is also an extremely important part of one's path, one's sadhana?
[00:55:48] Speaker B: Yeah, I think it's important and can be really beneficial, but I think it kind of happens organically. Like, there's this interest in truth arises just by itself sometimes, many times as a result of suffering and seeking a way out of suffering. And then that interest initiates action and seeking and just.
We're just drawn to whatever information resonates for us. So it's not really like having this mental idea like, oh, I must find a teacher so that I can get enlightened. It's more like just a natural feeling. Like, if you feel like, oh, I really would like to play tennis, and you look for a tennis coach or people to play with you, because it's more fun playing with other people than just hitting the ball against the wall by yourself.
[00:56:51] Speaker A: Yeah. When the student is ready, the teacher will appear.
[00:56:55] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:56:57] Speaker A: Yeah.
Intuition leads the way. That's what I like to say.
Throughout all endeavors, the higher intelligence that we tap into, we just get swept up by it, it seems.
And, yes, it does affect our relationships. It affects the things that we do.
It affects everything, actually. And you don't really have to think much about it. The thoughts still appear, that's for sure. The mind always tries to take the driver's seat, but there's still this subtle intuition that I feel leads the way throughout everything. And, yeah, it's like it's a flow state.
I'll say that. It's like a flow state, and things happen serendipitously. That's what I feel as well.
Like, I mean, literally, what I'm doing right now with you, I feel like I was guided into this. And not even just like, this conversation, My whole. This whole project of what I'm doing online, like, this is. This isn't me.
Like, this is none of Gary's will. I just kind of. I'm going with, as you said, just stuff that resonates, energy that I'm just kind of flown with that I'm naturally pulled toward. And here I am on episode 300 and something talking to Louise K. So, yeah, not everybody's gonna have a podcast. I recognize that and be as crazy as I am. But I think everyone can relate in the sense of flow and things just happening. Right.
Synchronicities in one's life that just allow in one's alignment, allow a greater embodiment that.
I don't know, it just.
It's very miraculous to be able to live like that. That's all. I'll say.
Let's keep it at that. Serendipity. Serendipity. It's beautiful.
I lost track of what we were talking about, to be honest. What was the. What was the last line?
What were we talking about? Do you remember?
[00:59:15] Speaker B: Nope.
[00:59:17] Speaker A: Yeah.
You pulling me into the moment, Louise.
Into the stillness where there's no thought, no words.
Oh. It was the point of teachers importance of community, you know, and spending time with people that maybe got a little more experience, a little more wisdom.
I agree.
It just like, attracts like in more than just people and just all over, in all facets of your life. But especially with people, there will be others that aren't really the others, as you said, that will just naturally just float into your life through your endeavors. And you may have some very special relationships form from that, I will say. But my point is, like, spending time with people like that are teachers that are guides. I think there's something that rubs off.
Right.
I feel personally from. I mean, I feel from you literally right now. And people, people in the past, like, there's something in somebody's word that goes beyond words.
Funnily enough, there's like a subtle transmission in somebody's word that if there's something that we have to unlock in our mind, it. It allows us to unlock it easier. We could say if there's a destination, if there's a path, it's just better to sit with ones that have walked the path previously that have already kind of done it.
[01:00:57] Speaker B: We could say, yeah, it's like with anything. Like, if you want to learn to play a musical instrument, you can sit at home and you can try to figure it out yourself. But if you get a teacher, you're just going to learn to play much more efficiently and much faster.
[01:01:15] Speaker A: Yeah, simple as that, really.
Do you feel like there is transmission in somebody's word that.
How do I put this? Like, there's transmission in a realized being's word that does something. You know, Darshan, Dharmic transmission.
Is there something like imbued in somebody that's initiated that allows others to.
To get the message.
[01:01:52] Speaker B: I think it's more. The transmission is in the silence. It's in the stillness rather than the content. So yeah, the words, when they rise from this deeper stillness are infused with the frequency of it. But more important than any word is if one can attune to the stillness and just be quiet, just surrender, like receiving that.
So if somebody is recognizing the true nature, they can be talking about any subject, like just the most mundane or boring subject.
I don't know. Like for me it's probably something in history. I'm not very interested in history, like describing historical events or how to. How to build a shed.
And it doesn't.
It doesn't matter so much the content if you're able to attune to the stillness and just that that's the true darshan, I would say.
And of course the content can also help like if. If there's pointings, invitations to. To look, to inquire what is true is who or what is witnessing in this moment. And then rather than trying to mentally understand the pointings, there's actually a true investigation carried out that then that can bring you to direct experiential knowing yourself rather than just taking on the teachings as mental dogmatic belief, which isn't really helpful at all.
[01:03:47] Speaker A: Not at all.
Yeah, it's very well spoken. It's like the word is used to transcend the word.
Stillness speaks.
[01:03:58] Speaker B: I think that's the name of one of the Eckhart Tolle's books.
[01:04:01] Speaker A: Yeah, I think so. I'm pretty sure that's where I got it from.
Yeah, it's the truth.
That's where it leads us.
That's how I see the place of a good teacher. At least as you said, it doesn't really matter what they say. It's almost how one says it.
There's something about. It's almost like how somebody sings something about how it comes about the vibration. Right. There's a subtle vibration in somebody's word that just.
It's intoxicating in some way. It sweeps you in and then. Yeah, you get swept up by it.
Yeah.
Do you have any specific teachers? I'm just curious, do you have like any dedicated teacher?
[01:04:57] Speaker B: I really feel a lot of appreciation for Eckhart and it was his book the Power of Now that really brought about like the was feel like is like the first level of awakening where I read that book and it was life changing.
I was able to observe thoughts and feel the energy in my body. And I have a deep appreciation for Eckhart
[01:05:28] Speaker A: Yeah, he's a true sage living with us right now.
So many people have said that the power of now has affected them in that way.
[01:05:42] Speaker B: Yeah. Really? That book contains just everything you need.
This teaching so complete. I recommend it to everyone.
[01:05:52] Speaker A: Yeah, that's the thing, right? Is it's not necessarily about the spoken word. Also, there's power in the written word as well.
[01:06:00] Speaker B: Yeah. That book has transmission infused in it.
[01:06:06] Speaker A: My first Eckhart book was New Earth. You read that one?
[01:06:10] Speaker B: Yes.
[01:06:11] Speaker A: Yeah, that one's good.
Shout out. Eckhart Tolle.
He's very tender, Right. He's very. Just.
Just. I don't know, very soft. There's just something about him that is very, very special.
Hard to put my finger on, but I would say it's tenderness that he brings about.
[01:06:33] Speaker B: I feel he's a very clear vessel for these teachings.
[01:06:40] Speaker A: Yeah.
Clear and again, simple.
Because it is simple. That's the thing. Don't overcomplicate.
Really is simple.
And that's what we need in today's world.
Keep it simple.
A return to simplicity in the teachings.
That's why I appreciate about you least. It's like you're very simple, straight to the point, very direct in the way that you guide.
Yeah. I actually see a lot of. Now that you say it, I see a lot of Eckart in you, so I didn't know that before, but now that you say it, I'm like, oh, yeah, I see that.
How you.
How you guide, you know, just simply bringing one into the direct experience of now hour of now.
So, yeah, that's cool.
[01:07:33] Speaker B: Thanks. I appreciate that.
[01:07:39] Speaker A: Okay. I don't really have anything else to say, I don't think, other than I appreciate you and this was cool. This went by very quick.
Do you have anything else that you want to say, you want to get off your chest before we wrap this up?
[01:07:57] Speaker B: I feel like we really covered everything.
It's been a great conversation.
[01:08:04] Speaker A: Amen.
[01:08:06] Speaker B: I would like to let people know if they're interested in kind of diving deeper or more, that I offer open ZOOM meetings every Saturday and Sunday, and everyone's welcome.
They can sign up on my website if they want to join. So I just want to let people know about that.
Cool.
[01:08:23] Speaker A: Yeah. I'll put all of your stuff down in the description for people to find you cool, but, yeah. Luis, thank you for joining me today. This was awesome. I feel very at peace now.
Very tranquil, very chill.
So maybe the listener is also feeling that way. But thank you for doing what you do. Thank you for coming on here and joining me and. Yeah, I wish you all the best. Seriously. Bow to you.
[01:08:51] Speaker B: Thanks, Gary. Appreciate it.
[01:08:54] Speaker A: Peace and love.
Peace and love, everybody.
